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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 7:39:10 AM   
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The answer is simple.  Some prefer dating older.  Some prefer dating younger.  Some prefer dating close to their own age. 

But when YOU find a partner you won't be concerned about what others are doing anymore. 

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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 8:32:26 AM   
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personally I have always enjoyed men my own age because I have more in common with them. I really don't care about bdsm experience. I care about life experience.

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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 8:33:54 AM   
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i just like older guys; i know what my reasons are, but i'm so totally over trying to explain to other people. =p haha

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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 8:50:22 AM   
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I believe everyone has their own preference in what they seek. It is a given in life. I do feel people get discourage cause they thought perhaps they could find someone right away. We live in a society of instant gratification, and when they do not, then need a place to voice their disappointment. Hence why so many posts are started about what is wrong with Cm or any other group. Life calls for weeding out and we might have to spend time doing this, but it has nothing to do with what the person is complaining about. There are submissives who do not seek older doms, and there are older doms who don't seek young women. There are professional dommies and there are non-professional doms. There are so many varieties of people here, but it usually takes time to find the one that might be right for you. Also you might go through a few who weren't right, but if you are wise you learn and try not to repeat the mistake. This is life, and doesn't matter if you are on a BDSM site or a vanilla site, the same principle hold true.

Relationships are not something that is instant. Instant gratification will only lead you to disappointment. Perhaps while looking, you can invest time in still learning to be a whole rounded person. For me, I would prefer a dom who is always learning and growing, than pouting that they cannot find their instant fix. That though is my preference.

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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 9:00:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Markus27
Anyone else see the humor in this?


Some, but probably not the humor you're seeing.

This is a case of 'the grass is always greener'. I hear it all the time.

"I can't find a sub becaue I'm too young and they want older guys with experience."
"I can't find a sub because I'm too old and they want younger guys in their own age range."
"I can't find a sub because no one lives near me."
"I can't find a sub because they all want TPE and I don't."
"I can't find a sub because I want TPE and they don't."
"I can't find a sub because they're all fakes."

What this boils down to is ... "I can't find a sub."

A few things:

1) In our culture, the onus on initiating contact and when looking for a relationship is generally on the male. This means you will get rejected a lot, no matter what - accept it and ignore it.

2) While I could make a case that out in the real world the ratio of decent male Dominants to active and interested female subs favors the Dom - the fact is that in the online world there is a tsunami of Doms out there and your female subs are inundated with messages. This means any guy looking for a sub online is already fighting an uphill battle.

3) Take all the emotional hoo-ha and romantic fantasy out of it and what you're doing is seeking out a specific interaction. You want something from someone - what that something is a D/s relationship and who that someone is a female submissive. If you look around, youl'll see that there are guys who manage to attract female subs like its nobody's business. If what you're doing isn't working, the onus isn't on the submissives to change their wants/behaviors/interests - it's on your to change your methods to something that will attract them. (I suppose that was too wordy - I should have said "if you're fishing and not catching anything, change your bait".) Experiment with different ways of writing your profile. Try different pictures. Don't lie but there are nuances in the way you say and do things and they can make a lot of difference.

A lot of people seem to come onto these sites like they're some sort of smörgåsbord or online catalog and all you have to do is pick out what you want and order it. That's a nice fantasy but the reality is that there are real people on the other end of those catalog entries (if you're lucky!) and if you want one of them you have to actually convince them that you're not only a worthwhile prospect but that you're better or at least competitive with all the other people trying to order them from the catalog. Again, that's not on them - that's on you. When they write to you and express interest in you, then the onus is on them to convince you.

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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 9:23:04 AM   
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I personally find this to be a ridiculous question. It amuses me that you understand so little about human nature that you could be amused by this. But just to get you started I'll start out the trail of breadcrumbs for you. It is, in fact, perfectly reasonable to think that a 50 year old is going to have more life experience, more wisdom, and more of a command presence than a 20 year old.

Putting the shoe on the other foot, I've never been interested in women below the age of 35... not even when I was 25. That is true because, generally, such women come with an emotional package that just isn't stable enough for me. Are there exceptions to that? Of course there are. If I met one of those exceptions would I treat them as an individual? Of course I would. But the pond I'm fishing in is not the below 35 pond.

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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 11:00:44 AM   
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Markus.. I'm going to do you a favor and you really should listen to me because it's in your own best interest to do so albeit it is only a well intentioned suggestion. Go to this thread and read the OP. Respond to it and engage with the other posters in some real meat and potatoes potential and delete what you wrote in the OP.





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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 1:47:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Markus, I don't think they really want age as much as maturity, and knowing what you offer and want.  In your case, I read your profile and read that you are looking for 100% no-limit slaves and yet don't explain what experience you have (I suspect little or none).  And your profile reads like it was thrown together hurriedly.

Get experience.  Learn what you want.  And express yourself well.  Once you do those, you'll fare better.



DarkSteven is right as always, sir ^_^

Age is probably just an excuse they use because they don't want to tell you that they don't feel you're mature enough. If you were 40, they might complain you're too old. A lot of people are just trying to avoid conflict, and openly admitting that thought might get a nasty reaction.

Instead of worrying about age, start worrying about how to be more appealing, generally. Put up pictures, fill out your profile with more info about yourself (about nonsexual things too!) and be HONEST about your experience.

I would happily submit to an owner with zero experience, if he were entirely open about it, and otherwise displayed maturity and common sense. ^_^ I would limit what we do initially of course, and encourage learning and researching.


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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 1:49:32 PM   
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You know what we should do? We should have people put "Must Have 3-5 Years D/s and Bondage Experience; 2+ years continuous M/s and references preferred" instead of age. I think that would make this whole process 100x better. It'll be like applying for jobs, except the interview process will occur in the nude or semi-nude...


Who says that people don't do this in their own head now?  Though I can promise you that if I were a submissive, the number of years would actually be at least twice as high as what you listed above.  I'd be shooting for tens years most likely and by ten years, I'd mean the whole ten.  Not a two year dynamic that ended eight years ago, but somebody is claiming that as ten years experience. 

I'd be even worse about the top/bottom thing.  I wouldn't be handing My ass over without knowing somebody's skills because I've seen them for Myself.  The rope guy that is never lacking partners at the play space week after week because he's constantly tying folks.  That's the guy I'd be bottoming for.  I'd only go for the best of the best.


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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 3:29:33 PM   
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I know this has most likely been brought up before but why is it that subs desire older men due to 'experience'.


It's not often limited to just "experience"... other factors can include:  maturity, stability, security, commitment, finance, desire to start a family, etc.

It's usually not just "experience", though I know most will often cite that in their profiles as a reason.



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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 3:41:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: peppermint

The answer is simple.  Some prefer dating older.  Some prefer dating younger.  Some prefer dating close to their own age. 
 


Bingo. I'm looking for a real time relationship with a man in my age range. Hell, I'm not interested in someone who studied Watergate as history, whereas I I studied it as current events.....

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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 3:44:24 PM   
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I'd be even worse about the top/bottom thing.  I wouldn't be handing My ass over without knowing somebody's skills because I've seen them for Myself.  The rope guy that is never lacking partners at the play space week after week because he's constantly tying folks.  That's the guy I'd be bottoming for.  I'd only go for the best of the best.


This.

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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 4:39:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: Palliata

You know what we should do? We should have people put "Must Have 3-5 Years D/s and Bondage Experience; 2+ years continuous M/s and references preferred" instead of age. I think that would make this whole process 100x better. It'll be like applying for jobs, except the interview process will occur in the nude or semi-nude...


Who says that people don't do this in their own head now?  Though I can promise you that if I were a submissive, the number of years would actually be at least twice as high as what you listed above.  I'd be shooting for tens years most likely and by ten years, I'd mean the whole ten.  Not a two year dynamic that ended eight years ago, but somebody is claiming that as ten years experience. 

I'd be even worse about the top/bottom thing.  I wouldn't be handing My ass over without knowing somebody's skills because I've seen them for Myself.  The rope guy that is never lacking partners at the play space week after week because he's constantly tying folks.  That's the guy I'd be bottoming for.  I'd only go for the best of the best.



I actually view the "experience" thing much differently... for me, it means little, as there's both "good" and "bad" experience.  No, for me the whole experience thing (especially when it comes to the BDSM accoutrements of floggers, cuffs, rope, etc.) is waaaaaaaaaay down the list.  Why?  Because for me, experience does not equate to a "relationship".  Granted, I understand that a "relationship" is not the goal for all, and for "play" purposes, I can see experience being higher up on the list -- but for me, I've always been more interested in someone's skill in their approach to the obstacles in life (and within a relationship) than how well they can tie someone up.  In fact, the referenced "rope guy" that has "partner" after "partner"... "week after week" is an enormous turn-off.  Far too fixated on the "Kink" of it all. 

Some may see a "Master" in "rope guy", where'd I'd likely see some horny dude who can't commit... can't think beyond his zipper... can't offer anything beyond weekend after weekend at the "club"... and can't likely mature passed a teenager.  No life... just kink.  No, I'll take the person who takes quiet pride in spending their evenings and weekends tending to their partner, the bills getting paid, and keeping their home, family, and partner on solid ground -- not the person who can't wait to dash off to the "club" and takes pride in having tied-up the 150th girl this month.

What I've learned over the years is there are those that are "good" with many, and there are those that are "great" with one -- because quite simply, when you're "involved" 24/7 with someone who knows you, then they know how to push all your buttons, and find new ones!!!

To each their own, but in my opinion, "experience" and "dominance" are two completely different things, with the former holding little to no relevance to the latter.  More often than not, I see greater appeal in a naturally dominant 'nilla, than a supposedly experienced "Master" -- but YMMV?!!



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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 7:09:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA
I actually view the "experience" thing much differently... for me, it means little, as there's both "good" and "bad" experience.  No, for me the whole experience thing (especially when it comes to the BDSM accoutrements of floggers, cuffs, rope, etc.) is waaaaaaaaaay down the list.  Why?  Because for me, experience does not equate to a "relationship".  Granted, I understand that a "relationship" is not the goal for all, and for "play" purposes, I can see experience being higher up on the list -- but for me, I've always been more interested in someone's skill in their approach to the obstacles in life (and within a relationship) than how well they can tie someone up.  In fact, the referenced "rope guy" that has "partner" after "partner"... "week after week" is an enormous turn-off.  Far too fixated on the "Kink" of it all. 

Some may see a "Master" in "rope guy"
, where'd I'd likely see some horny dude who can't commit... can't think beyond his zipper... can't offer anything beyond weekend after weekend at the "club"... and can't likely mature passed a teenager.  No life... just kink.  No, I'll take the person who takes quiet pride in spending their evenings and weekends tending to their partner, the bills getting paid, and keeping their home, family, and partner on solid ground -- not the person who can't wait to dash off to the "club" and takes pride in having tied-up the 150th girl this month.

What I've learned over the years is there are those that are "good" with many, and there are those that are "great" with one -- because quite simply, when you're "involved" 24/7 with someone who knows you, then they know how to push all your buttons, and find new ones!!!

To each their own, but in my opinion, "experience" and "dominance" are two completely different things, with the former holding little to no relevance to the latter.  More often than not, I see greater appeal in a naturally dominant 'nilla, than a supposedly experienced "Master" -- but YMMV?!!

Which is exactly why I made the distinction between the two.  I never said that "rope guy" was a Master.  I said he'd be the person that I would seek out if I wanted to be tied up.  "Quiet guy at home" may have the experience in suspension that I want.  Maybe not.  If I haven't seen for Myself, how do I know?  I want to see topping skills.  Not just hear about them.

Same thing with the relationship.  I'd be willing to say that most people My age have at at least one long term relationship.  There are certainly people out there who, if their marriage/dynamic dissolved, after the appropriate healing time, I would absolutely recommend to other people as relationship material.  I've at least got some idea of their track record.  (Things like the relationship coming to an end over an issue such as cheating being the exception, of course.)

I think in this instance, I'm just fortunate that I get to have the experience of both.  My husband and I will be celebrating our anniversary next month, but I still get to do all of that play stuff as well.  Keeps Me pretty happy. 


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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 7:38:53 PM   
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"Experience" is just people imagining what traits might make someone competent at something when it is really just a question of personal compatibility in disguise.

It's like people who say they want someone "intelligent". It doesn't mean anything other than "I will value X person if they say things and do things I like."

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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 8:36:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Who says that people don't do this in their own head now?  Though I can promise you that if I were a submissive, the number of years would actually be at least twice as high as what you listed above.  I'd be shooting for tens years most likely and by ten years, I'd mean the whole ten.  Not a two year dynamic that ended eight years ago, but somebody is claiming that as ten years experience. 

I'd be even worse about the top/bottom thing.  I wouldn't be handing My ass over without knowing somebody's skills because I've seen them for Myself.  The rope guy that is never lacking partners at the play space week after week because he's constantly tying folks.  That's the guy I'd be bottoming for.  I'd only go for the best of the best.



The Bolded part.

Ive learned that because I like dangerous things that it might be a smart Idea to not engage in those who dont know how to do it. Im not letting anyone set me on fire unless ive watched them do it to someone and then had them do it on a lower risk area, Same with needles and anything else I participate in.

One of my FAVORITE tops in fire is only a few years older then me, but hes been playing with his craft for years. Its not about age completely but years of doing it... When you walk into the philly scene asking for people to do fire they tell you person X Y and or Z....


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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 8:44:21 PM   
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Let's say I'm looking to fill a position at work, Do I take the one with the degree or the one the has not yet finished High school???

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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 8:50:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NihilusZero

"Experience" is just people imagining what traits might make someone competent at something when it is really just a question of personal compatibility in disguise.

It's like people who say they want someone "intelligent". It doesn't mean anything other than "I will value X person if they say things and do things I like."


Greetings,

I'm not so sure about that NZ. Intelligence is measurable, but most aren't asking for an IQ score. So I'll give you that. However, I have a love/hate relationship with whips, but it isn't something I would want to do without. I'd be pretty foolish to engage with someone that has never thrown. The experience factor does come into play, but I think its level of importance is individually determined. For some, the learning curve is alright and others prefer a partner that has earned his stripes.

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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/20/2011 8:58:18 PM   
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Let's say I'm looking to fill a position at work, Do I take the one with the degree or the one the has not yet finished High school???

BadOne


A better question would be this:

Do you take the 59-year-old, or the 25-year-old?




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RE: Age in Dominance - 2/21/2011 1:00:54 AM   
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Noctturnal, youre a bloody idiot... keep wanking over yourself in the mirror! Maybe one day it will make you hard!

OP, try building a friendship/relationship, b4 trying the Dom game, D isnt the connection, but a part and the end!

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