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outhere69 -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 6:10:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee You just suffered in silence like a good little martyr? You never changed schools? As in from elementary to junior high to high school? Shit happens when you are a kid. It builds character. Trust me, changing schools doesn't work when you don't move out of the district, especially in really small rural ones. I was bullied from the time we moved to Ohio (1st grade) until we moved out of state (mid-8th grade). I didn't think my parents knew about it (they never spoke to me about it and I didn't tell them), but they did. That was a major contributor to the decision to relocate. I'm not on a cross, I just realize it had a lot to do with how I cope with confrontation and why I find it easy to do solo pursuits. btw, agirl, did your children always use calculators in schools? I have to use "times tables" practically every day of my life.

WyldHrt -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 6:23:59 PM)
quote: Ok so she stapled the note to his shirt in the office. The other kids still saw it and started making fun of him. Was his sweatshirt see through? Let's see, a disruptive kid gets called into the office and returns a short time later. No way the other kids laughed simply because he got in trouble with the teacher, cause that never happens. If they did see it, I'm betting rick1283 is right. Speaking of 'humiliation' and 'trauma', exactly how much did Mom improve the situation by taking it to the media? I hope she plans to home school, because this kid is gonna catch no end of shit from all the other kids now, no matter what school she transfers him to. His last name will absolutely guarantee that. Will that be because a teacher pinned a note to his shirt in second grade? No, it will be because Mom threw a very public shit fit about something pretty damn minor.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 6:29:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: outhere69 quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee You just suffered in silence like a good little martyr? You never changed schools? As in from elementary to junior high to high school? Shit happens when you are a kid. It builds character. Trust me, changing schools doesn't work when you don't move out of the district, especially in really small rural ones. I was bullied from the time we moved to Ohio (1st grade) until we moved out of state (mid-8th grade). I didn't think my parents knew about it (they never spoke to me about it and I didn't tell them), but they did. That was a major contributor to the decision to relocate. I'm not on a cross, I just realize it had a lot to do with how I cope with confrontation and why I find it easy to do solo pursuits. btw, agirl, did your children always use calculators in schools? I have to use "times tables" practically every day of my life. I begged my father to move, but he refused to leave his union job at the town oil refinery. Bullying and humiliation never built my character either. It destroyed my self confidence and taught me to fear my teachers and classmates. I learned to hate school and wanted nothing to do with anything that reminded me of school when I was at home including homework. I fail to see how bullying and humiliation builds character.

agirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 6:29:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xXsoumisXx agirl; It isn't about the note, making him fodder for prison. It is his mother's attitude and what she is teaching him, with her actions. It is growing up in that kind of household, with those attitudes. I see it every day. Children do not have to take responsibility for their actions, because the parent will run down and raise hell every time.. eventally, the child becomes an adult. Mom can't save him anymore. I understood that you were making a point.. but the point was lost in all of the other dodgy comments. Kid's losing notes because they go from school to day-care? I'd imagine a teacher would like to know that a set of parents are pretty reasonable people with fairly ok-raised children who don't fuck-about-the live-long-day in the classroom. Which is why I don't see it as a big old one-sided blame issue. I think I'm going to rather impressed at the number of people that have avoided prison despite having had hideous ordeals, (school or parental), such as this. :) agirl

defiantbadgirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 6:37:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt Speaking of 'humiliation' and 'trauma', exactly how much did Mom improve the situation by taking it to the media? I hope she plans to home school, because this kid is gonna catch no end of shit from all the other kids now, no matter what school she transfers him to. His last name will absolutely guarantee that. Will that be because a teacher pinned a note to his shirt in second grade? No, it will be because Mom threw a very public shit fit about something pretty damn minor. Bullying and humiliation isn't minor. However, I agree that his mother going to the media was the worst thing she could do. The best strategy would have been to see if her child continued being bullied or if the whole thing blew over in a few days. If the teasing continued, transfer the child to another school or move.

NocturnalStalker -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 6:47:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: nighthawk3569 quote: ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker The worst I ever got in school as a kid was a firm yelling or they would talk to my parents about my inability to leave the girls alone. I am pretty sure if a teacher who teaches such an early grade with young kids is heard that they grabbed a kid and stapled a note to their shirt it is grounds for very nasty legal action. You're right, I would be a different breed of a parent. If you touch my kid, I'll make your life a living Hell. I would hope any parent would do that for their child, especially in this context. NocturnalStalker, get a vasectomy, before you inflict your brand of irresponsible parenthood on some unsuspecting school system...or, even worse, the world at large. 'hawk Oh that's rich, the 68-year-old is telling the 21-year-old about ways to make his penis not work properly. Effeminate giggle.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 6:58:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker quote: ORIGINAL: nighthawk3569 NocturnalStalker, get a vasectomy, before you inflict your brand of irresponsible parenthood on some unsuspecting school system...or, even worse, the world at large. 'hawk Oh that's rich, the 68-year-old is telling the 21-year-old about ways to make his penis not work properly. Effeminate giggle. ROFLMAO

agirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 7:00:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: outhere69 btw, agirl, did your children always use calculators in schools? I have to use "times tables" practically every day of my life. No, they simpy found the number patterns that are there, those made sense rather quickly, and reciting them became a pointless exercise. It was MORE important to ME to read to them or they read to me and their younger siblings........ It wasn't that I didn't care about tables and number patterns, it was simply that I had quite a few other things that were important to them AND me to spend time on. So with deliberation, that's what we chose. My priorities were understood within the school, even if they weren't always agreed with. Mostly because the boys couldn't recite them, but had found their OWN method of getting to the correct answer. I didn't buck any trend for the sake of it. The school worked hugely in my favour. I also use time-tables a great deal of the time but I recited them at school, not at home. There's NO way my parents would have been able to manage that with 5 children and I simply wasn't prepared to. As I said, being a mother and being a teacher brings different responsibilities.......I didn't expect the children's teachers to teach them how to behave, how to be thoughtful or how to look after smaller, younger children. I suppose the way I view it is (I still have one child in the system) that as long as I uphold MY end of the bargain and give them a polite, considerate and willing kid to work with, there's not a lot of room for complaint. agirl

tazzygirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 7:17:05 PM)
quote: Bullying and humiliation isn't minor. However, I agree that his mother going to the media was the worst thing she could do. The best strategy would have been to see if her child continued being bullied or if the whole thing blew over in a few days. If the teasing continued, transfer the child to another school or move. The best strategy would have been for the parents to handle this from the beginning as responsible parents. Btw, why didnt your teacher-grandmother shove a book in your face, glare at the teacher, and demanded you read. Actions speak louder than words.

agirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 7:19:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl quote: ORIGINAL: outhere69 quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee You just suffered in silence like a good little martyr? You never changed schools? As in from elementary to junior high to high school? Shit happens when you are a kid. It builds character. Trust me, changing schools doesn't work when you don't move out of the district, especially in really small rural ones. I was bullied from the time we moved to Ohio (1st grade) until we moved out of state (mid-8th grade). I didn't think my parents knew about it (they never spoke to me about it and I didn't tell them), but they did. That was a major contributor to the decision to relocate. I'm not on a cross, I just realize it had a lot to do with how I cope with confrontation and why I find it easy to do solo pursuits. btw, agirl, did your children always use calculators in schools? I have to use "times tables" practically every day of my life. I begged my father to move, but he refused to leave his union job at the town oil refinery. Bullying and humiliation never built my character either. It destroyed my self confidence and taught me to fear my teachers and classmates. I learned to hate school and wanted nothing to do with anything that reminded me of school when I was at home including homework. I fail to see how bullying and humiliation builds character. You begged your Dad to move, so he knew, from you being aged 5yrs, that you weren't doing well in school and yet did little to nothing? You're painting your teachers rather badly and seem to not be doing the same with your care-takers. You're talking a lot here but not saying much. IE. You're missing out all the vital stuff. agirl

Aylee -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 7:33:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: outhere69 quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee You just suffered in silence like a good little martyr? You never changed schools? As in from elementary to junior high to high school? Shit happens when you are a kid. It builds character. Trust me, changing schools doesn't work when you don't move out of the district, especially in really small rural ones. I was bullied from the time we moved to Ohio (1st grade) until we moved out of state (mid-8th grade). I didn't think my parents knew about it (they never spoke to me about it and I didn't tell them), but they did. That was a major contributor to the decision to relocate. I'm not on a cross, I just realize it had a lot to do with how I cope with confrontation and why I find it easy to do solo pursuits. I realize that. And I will never say that pubic school is a picnic. However, in the case of this particular poster, DBG, she has one sob story after another about the insurmountable obstacles in her life. She is responsible for NONE of the situations in her life. She is never the star of her own story. She is never the actor. She is only acted upon. This is what and who she has chosen to be. Yet she whinges about it with out doing ANY of the work to change it.

WyldHrt -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 7:43:12 PM)
Just think, with all this kid has learned from Mom, this will be him in 6 years... [8\|]

BossyShoeBitch -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 7:47:55 PM)
As usual, the original topic is way blown out of proportion. How the hell did this get to be 8 pages? My kid is in third grade. He talks WAY too much in school and out. Always been an issue from Pre-K until now. You can bet that even last year in second grade, if he would have come home with a note stapled, pinned, or glued to his shirt about his excessive talking, it would have been no surpise to me and I would not be looking to point a finger at the teacher. It is weird that the teacher didn't simply send an email but, so what? I was in that same Miami-Dade school system for a long time. Even got paddled in the Asst. Principals office in 8th grade. My Dad must have lost the number to the news station or something cuz I don't remember THAT being on the news. All the talk about this being bullying and humiliation is really ridiculous and misplaced and not what the original topic was about.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 7:54:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl The best strategy would have been for the parents to handle this from the beginning as responsible parents. I agree with you on that. I was just suggesting what I thought would have been the best strategy after the humiliation and teasing. Btw, why didnt your teacher-grandmother shove a book in your face, glare at the teacher, and demanded you read. Actions speak louder than words. Maybe I didn't tell her at the time because I thought it wouldn't do any good? I was only 5. I do remember offering to show the teacher I could read. The situation involved workbooks that were passed out. I opened the workbook, read the directions at the top of the page, then completed most of the assignment before the teacher told the class not to start until she explained how to do it. I stopped at that point and listened, but couldn't figure out why it took her so long to explain to the class how to cross out what didn't belong. When the teacher finally shut up, I finished the assignment and turned it in. She wanted to know how I did it so fast. When I tried to explain that I got the info from the written directions at the top of the page, she told me that was impossible. I asked her for my workbook so I could show her the written directions, but she refused to hand it over and called me a liar in front of everyone.

tazzygirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 8:04:10 PM)
And this never came up in any parent/teacher meetings? Im finding that all rather hard to believe that you father would fight for you later in life, but not for his 5 year old baby.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 8:05:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: agirl You begged your Dad to move, so he knew, from you being aged 5yrs, that you weren't doing well in school and yet did little to nothing? You're painting your teachers rather badly and seem to not be doing the same with your care-takers. You're talking a lot here but not saying much. IE. You're missing out all the vital stuff. agirl No, I told him when I got older. The kindergarten teacher started the whole thing and the kids thought it was funny and decided to continue it. Both my father and my grandmother complained to the school about the bullying once they knew how bad it was, but nothing was ever done about it.

tazzygirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 8:09:14 PM)
Anyways... back to the OP. He wasnt humiliated unless he brought it upon himself. The teacher did her best to hide the note. The parents needed to step up and handle the situation. Seems all mom did was make sure this 15 seconds of media drama was well played out for the... ahem... pending lawsuit.

NocturnalStalker -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 8:16:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl And this never came up in any parent/teacher meetings? Im finding that all rather hard to believe that you father would fight for you later in life, but not for his 5 year old baby. What motivation would she have to lie in any of this? If anything, she is attempting to broaden horizons and get people to understand where she comes from. I don't see any point to putting her legitimacy on the line. Whoops, gotta get back to my vasectomy!

defiantbadgirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 8:23:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee However, in the case of this particular poster, DBG, she has one sob story after another about the insurmountable obstacles in her life. She is responsible for NONE of the situations in her life. She is never the star of her own story. She is never the actor. She is only acted upon. This is what and who she has chosen to be. Yet she whinges about it with out doing ANY of the work to change it. This coming from someone with the title of "heartless bitch" under the collarme name. Why am I not surprised? I believe the word you're looking for is whines, not "whinges." And I did accept as much responsibility as a child could. I learned to keep my mouth shut like a good little girl and not show any intelligence whatsoever to try to avoid humiliation. When the school tested me and found out how advanced I was, they griped me out for not showing my intelligence. At that point, I decided I couldn't make them happy no matter what I did (catch 22).

xXsoumisXx -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 8:30:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: agirl quote: ORIGINAL: xXsoumisXx agirl; It isn't about the note, making him fodder for prison. It is his mother's attitude and what she is teaching him, with her actions. It is growing up in that kind of household, with those attitudes. I see it every day. Children do not have to take responsibility for their actions, because the parent will run down and raise hell every time.. eventally, the child becomes an adult. Mom can't save him anymore. I understood that you were making a point.. but the point was lost in all of the other dodgy comments. Kid's losing notes because they go from school to day-care? I'd imagine a teacher would like to know that a set of parents are pretty reasonable people with fairly ok-raised children who don't fuck-about-the live-long-day in the classroom. Which is why I don't see it as a big old one-sided blame issue. I think I'm going to rather impressed at the number of people that have avoided prison despite having had hideous ordeals, (school or parental), such as this. :) agirl at least half of my students go to before and after school care. going home after school is a benefit many children do not have, i won't derail the thread with underpaid, overworked childcare workers.. And my point was about the parent causing the sad future, not the note on the chest. in a class of 20, there are maybe 2-3 parents like this. it isn't rare. I get calls about the child getting a scratch, or the child was called a name, or the child cursed, so it must have come from my classroom.. etc etc etc. some people's children can do no wrong. and yet, these same children don't have homework done, or have a parent show up for the conference...it is never ending.. with a small percentage of parents....

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