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defiantbadgirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 4:40:25 PM)

So in your opinion, teachers traumatizing young children and teaching the other kids that see it how to be bullies is a good thing because it teaches everyone to be stronger?




tazzygirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 4:44:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

So in your opinion, teachers traumatizing young children and teaching the other kids that see it how to be bullies is a good thing because it teaches everyone to be stronger?


You are basing this child's experience upon your own. From the reports I have read, the child was taken to the office, where this incident took place... not in full view of the classroom. His shirt, and the note, was covered with a sweat shirt... something you repeatedly ignore.




xXsoumisXx -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 4:49:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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You know you could always use a phone to call the parent and tell them about their child's behaviour. If it persists, then arrange a meeting between the parent and child.


Hmmm... I cant take personal calls at work. Most parents cant. What happened to a teacher being in charge of her class? I dont expect her to beat a child, I do expect her to be able to handle situations as they arise. A note home to the parents is fine, even stapled to a shirt, because, lets face it, kids lose things everyday. Sorta hard to lose a note stapled to a shirt.

And, sorry to tell ya this, but if the kid felt embarrassed at having a note tacked to his shirt, then maybe he wont try that behavior again. The parents admit to getting progress reports before, and evidently were doing nothing about it. Tacking the note to his shirt, then a sweat shirt over it... how did the other kids see it???


this.

This is the kind of thing that we deal with every day. I pin notes to shirts quite often. So they don't get lost! Many go to day care after school, and they get lost there too. Sometimes, i am out of safety pins, and use the stapler. oh the horror!!! ;)
Our generation tended to beleive the teachers, to back up the teachers authority.
Now, it is all about undermining the Teacher's authority. it is a situation in which no one wins. I hope she is just a supportive of her poor child when he goes to jail...i am sure the cell mates will be kind, and not tease or humiliate him. Because that is his future, if he does not learn boundaries, and that his actions have consequenses.





Icarys -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 4:50:18 PM)

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So in your opinion, teachers traumatizing young children and teaching the other kids that see it how to be bullies is a good thing because it teaches everyone to be stronger?

She didn't say anything close to that. If you're going to be irrational about things maybe it's best if you contact your doctor cause your definitely not over anything.


You think your ideas protect children but they are short-sided. There's more than one way to ruin a kid. Overprotecting them is another potential way to raise a person who wastes life.

Try and keep a clear perspective. It was a note attached to his shirt..She didn't staple it to his forehead and on top of that..it was covered..That sounds like she was purposely trying NOT to embarrassing him.

It really sounds like you've had a really traumatic childhood and it has less to do with notes pinned on you than other things, I would wager.




barelynangel -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 4:53:07 PM)

This teacher wasn't a bully, this teacher sent a note on a boys shirt home to his parent due to his misbehavior in class. Like the mother you are blowing this way out of proportion and to me, that is a BIG problem nowadays.




agirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 4:54:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

And here is the crux of the problem. The teacher teacher teacher... and no mention of controlling your own child.


Not all children are bulled by teachers because of their behavior either. Did I deserve to be called a liar in front of the whole class because I knew how to read? Did the student NocturnalStalker spoke about deserve to be humiliated over cutting out shapes wrong? There are far better ways of dealing with children, behavior problem or not, without humiliating them.


No, you didn't *deserve* to be called a liar at 5yrs old.......but it was also a rather bad call of your Dad's not to have gone to school and settled the problem there and then. Your Dad didn't support you, he let the situation continue, he didn't step in and take charge of his daughter and her life at school. He let you suffer as a 5yr old and offered no shielding arm, no guiding strength.

By the time he finally got with the programme and spoke up, as far as you were concerned, the damage was done.

I think that's FAR sadder than anything else.

agirl





defiantbadgirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 4:57:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

You are basing this child's experience upon your own. From the reports I have read, the child was taken to the office, where this incident took place... not in full view of the classroom. His shirt, and the note, was covered with a sweat shirt... something you repeatedly ignore.


According to who, a school that's afraid of being sued? If what you read was really true, then why is this child saying his classmates were making fun of him? If all of this was done privately, how did the other kids know about it? I don't think a child his age is capable of inventing such a complex lie.




tazzygirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 4:59:56 PM)

According to the child...

Joshua added: 'She got me in the office to get a stapler, to staple the note on my shirt.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1364196/Mothers-fury-school-staples-bad-report-sons-shirt.html#ixzz1G9blw3LG




JstAnotherSub -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 5:01:47 PM)

Lawd.....I hope the mom is humiliated because of her over reaction to a simple friggin note.

Parents today seem to think it is good to rescue their child from anything unpleasant. I had an instance today at school that made me realize that some parents are always going to find an excuse for their childs behavior. It is what it is.

IMHO, the problem is kids are not afraid of anything now days, they have no respect for authority, since they know mommy or daddy will come and make sure the big bad adult knows that their child is just misunderstood.

Life is hard. You get your fellings hurt. You hurt other folks feelings. Some days you are the windshield, some days you are the bug. Shit happens, get over it already.

Blah, this is one of those subjects that no one will change their mind on, but I can tell you that parents like the one in the OP are one of the reasons it is getting hard to find teachers who are really dedicated to the well being of children. WTF wants to deal with bitches like that.

The whole thing makes me sick.....people are morons.




rick1283 -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 5:11:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub
people are morons.


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On a further note, I love some of my teachers. Especially the drafting teacher, he insults everyone and everything. Self esteem means nothing and he tells you that to your face.




tazzygirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 5:13:22 PM)

Taking this kinder, gentler approach to child rearing into the work place... these kids cant take any constructive criticism!




defiantbadgirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 5:28:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

According to the child...

Joshua added: 'She got me in the office to get a stapler, to staple the note on my shirt.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1364196/Mothers-fury-school-staples-bad-report-sons-shirt.html#ixzz1G9blw3LG


Ok so she stapled the note to his shirt in the office. The other kids still saw it and started making fun of him. Was his sweatshirt see through?




rick1283 -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 5:34:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

According to the child...

Joshua added: 'She got me in the office to get a stapler, to staple the note on my shirt.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1364196/Mothers-fury-school-staples-bad-report-sons-shirt.html#ixzz1G9blw3LG


Ok so she stapled the note to his shirt in the office. The other kids still saw it and started making fun of him. Was his sweatshirt see through?



A 2nd grader? Chances are he showed them himself, or at least told them about it.




agirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 5:34:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xXsoumisXx


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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You know you could always use a phone to call the parent and tell them about their child's behaviour. If it persists, then arrange a meeting between the parent and child.


Hmmm... I cant take personal calls at work. Most parents cant. What happened to a teacher being in charge of her class? I dont expect her to beat a child, I do expect her to be able to handle situations as they arise. A note home to the parents is fine, even stapled to a shirt, because, lets face it, kids lose things everyday. Sorta hard to lose a note stapled to a shirt.

And, sorry to tell ya this, but if the kid felt embarrassed at having a note tacked to his shirt, then maybe he wont try that behavior again. The parents admit to getting progress reports before, and evidently were doing nothing about it. Tacking the note to his shirt, then a sweat shirt over it... how did the other kids see it???


this.

This is the kind of thing that we deal with every day. I pin notes to shirts quite often. So they don't get lost! Many go to day care after school, and they get lost there too. Sometimes, i am out of safety pins, and use the stapler. oh the horror!!! ;)
Our generation tended to beleive the teachers, to back up the teachers authority.
Now, it is all about undermining the Teacher's authority. it is a situation in which no one wins. I hope she is just a supportive of her poor child when he goes to jail...i am sure the cell mates will be kind, and not tease or humiliate him. Because that is his future, if he does not learn boundaries, and that his actions have consequenses.




Why is a kid with a note stapled to his shirt likely to be fodder for prison. That's a ridiculous comment!

I do think it's rather odd to pin the lad's T-shirt with a note, very likely because I can think of plenty of quicker ways to get my attention. (The parents already had that chance/offer in a myriad of ways)

HOWEVER, it depends on your attitude, the teacher's attitude, and what you're going to impart to your child. I made it my job to KNOW my children's teacher, their ideas, their standards, what they expected etc..... so that I could help my children get comfy with something that wasn't like *home*.

I had different ideas at home, I had to *cross* the school on certain ideas... but despite that, they still were onside with it because they knew that I was right alongside and enthusiastic about all the many other things that made up the life the children lived on their own , at school.

I refused to teach my children their *times-tables*, I wasn't alone in my discomfort with wasting my valuable time having my children recite them during the evening. Reading, spelling, math and writing tasks were all fully supported.

I considered my job as .......teaching them to cook, to tell the time, to care for their little siblings, to share, to be thoughtful, to teach them about wild food, to know about the seasons and all they brought, the responsibility of owning animals, how we kept warm (with logs that needed to be found, split and stacked in the house).....These were important things that they would NOT be learning in school....I saw MY job as one thing and their teacher's job as another. Now if EITHER of us hadn't supported or understod that , there would have been a horrible situation.........but it was discussed and as I was clearly supportive of them, they supported me too(even though they would still rather I'd have lightened their load....lol)

If I imparted to MY child that their teachers were incompetant and I had no confidence in them, I could hardly send them back the next day, could I?

None of my children can recite times-tables, even now......they found their own way around that. And that's what it's all about.

agirl





defiantbadgirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 5:35:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rick1283

On a further note, I love some of my teachers. Especially the drafting teacher, he insults everyone and everything. Self esteem means nothing and he tells you that to your face.



Do you and the other students insult him back? Is it an atmosphere of everyone giving each other shit all in good fun? My roommates and I joke around like that all the time. That's alot different than humiliating a young child that doesn't know how to handle the embarassment.




rick1283 -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 5:39:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl


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ORIGINAL: rick1283

On a further note, I love some of my teachers. Especially the drafting teacher, he insults everyone and everything. Self esteem means nothing and he tells you that to your face.



Do you and the other students insult him back? Is it an atmosphere of everyone giving each other shit all in good fun? My roommates and I joke around like that all the time. That's alot different than humiliating a young child that doesn't know how to handle the embarassment.



No. He is the one that does the insulting, and it is obvious he means it. But everyone respects him a great deal. He has had a lot of experiences in his life. Nearly died quite a few times, and gone though some very odd instances.

His insults can hit pretty deep with some, but they also always carry advice.




barelynangel -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 5:54:33 PM)

It seems to me so many people feel that its more important to take the power from the child by telling them they should be traumatized because of something negative so they don't have to deal with things that are negative or hurtful, instead of allowing them to bask in the glory of knowing THEY are in charge and hold the power to their destiny.  That they can own the moment by controling THEMSELVES and how they react and allow things to affect them.

Self-esteem issues or lack thereof is not created as to who teases your kid or who humiliates them etc, these issues or lack of self-esteem is built when kids aren't taught their own personal power and how to own it.  Which means while it may break your heart to watch your child go through negative things as a child, you need to teach them that they have the power of how outside forces will affect them and their esteem and their ability to function.  IF you strip their power from them because you indirectly are teaching them to be traumatized or devasted or scarred due to other people's actions, then they will never learn how to own it because they will be too busy making sure they are what you are teaching then --- how to be a victim.

To me, that is what this mother is teaching this child -- how to be a victim and how to not be responsible for a situation that yes was caused by his own actions.   She is not teaching him to own his own power -- even if he misused that power in not listening -- by teaching him to own his own actions, she is giving him the power to change himself -- rather than be a victim of others.

To me, you see it all throughout society -- people are being taught and teaching kids how to be victims.

angel




nighthawk3569 -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 5:58:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NocturnalStalker

The worst I ever got in school as a kid was a firm yelling or they would talk to my parents about my inability to leave the girls alone. 

I am pretty sure if a teacher who teaches such an early grade with young kids is heard that they grabbed a kid and stapled a note to their shirt it is grounds for very nasty legal action. 

You're right, I would be a different breed of a parent.  If you touch my kid, I'll make your life a living Hell.  I would hope any parent would do that for their child, especially in this context.



NocturnalStalker, get a vasectomy, before you inflict your brand of irresponsible parenthood on some unsuspecting school system...or, even worse, the world at large.

'hawk





xXsoumisXx -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 6:07:59 PM)

agirl;
It isn't about the note, making him fodder for prison. It is his mother's attitude and what she is teaching him, with her actions. It is growing up in that kind of household, with those attitudes. I see it every day. Children do not have to take responsibility for their actions, because the parent will run down and raise hell every time.. eventally, the child becomes an adult. Mom can't save him anymore.





defiantbadgirl -> RE: OMG -- How did we ever survive being a kid (3/9/2011 6:09:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: agirl

I refused to teach my children their *times-tables*, I wasn't alone in my discomfort with wasting my valuable time having my children recite them during the evening. Reading, spelling, math and writing tasks were all fully supported.

I considered my job as .......teaching them to cook, to tell the time, to care for their little siblings, to share, to be thoughtful, to teach them about wild food, to know about the seasons and all they brought, the responsibility of owning animals, how we kept warm (with logs that needed to be found, split and stacked in the house).....These were important things that they would NOT be learning in school....I saw MY job as one thing and their teacher's job as another. Now if EITHER of us hadn't supported or understod that , there would have been a horrible situation.........but it was discussed and as I was clearly supportive of them, they supported me too(even though they would still rather I'd have lightened their load....lol)

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Part of my problem was that my grandmother did lighten their load, but the school refused to believe it. I entered kindergarten already knowing how to read, the days of the week, and pretty much everything else the teacher was trying to teach. The worst part was her going over the same things every day. I tried to pay attention in class, but she rarely taught anything I didn't already know. I was bored as hell and always ended up spacing off (thinking about other things). Then she'd catch me daydreaming and humiliate me. I was afraid to tell her she wasn't teaching me anything because I thought she'd just call me a liar again.




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