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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/10/2011 1:55:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		He votes for (and bigs up in here) a party called The Conservatives (you might remember that nice Mrs Thatcher who spent most of the '80s as Reagan's bitch?) who have since '78 been devoted to dismantling and/or flogging off to the private sector as many publicly owned assets as they possibly can.
I'll be interested to hear your explanation as to how selling state owned assets then using the revenue raised to bribe the electorate with tax cuts at the next election qualifies as a socialist undertaking, even in the bizarre libertarian fantasyland you seem to be posting from.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/10/2011 3:36:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Replace the FDA with a private consumer protection group like UL and you wouldnt have these issues. "

Surprised you see it that way. So few do actually.

Just look at the name "UNDERWRITER'S Labs". Underwriters are the ones who pay insurance claims. Maybe that's the solution, put our hands right into their pockets and see if they're properly motivated.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/10/2011 3:39:01 PM   
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There's no maybe about it.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/10/2011 3:56:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Irrelevant. The UL is paid for by donations from the companies who's products it certifies."

Why'dya have to blow it ?

They get app fees of course, but the inception was brought on by insurance companies. You think they would approve or certify devices that burn people's houses down ?

They have a shitload of guidelines, and to get the approval you don't really need to know them verbatim. You have to know the logic involved. Most of it has to do with preventing electrical shock, or fire hazard. Really, anyone who has studied electronics should already know what to do.

Actually nowadays you see alot of things that run off of "wall warts". The output is fused or current limited and the hot/cold isolation is reliable. Only the wall wart needs the approval, after the plug to the device whatever it may be, the engineer can almost do whatever he wants within reason.

It's much more cost effective. Now if you need more power than a wallwart can supply, then that's your problem. But otherwise you just buy the wall warts and have your company name stamped on them.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/10/2011 3:58:56 PM   
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Now that's not very "polite!" How about, "GrumpySub?"


That’s pretty funny popeye...I do agree that politesub gets pretty grumpy at times but that’s because he is a homer when it comes to his country. I understand that and admire it in him... we are really alike in that way...I just wish sometimes when he gets on me about my patriotism he would reflect on his own.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/10/2011 4:05:24 PM   
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(I wonder why PoliteSub is hiding his mouth with that coffee cup?)

Because I`m laughing at your stupidity.



Now that's not very "polite!" How about, "GrumpySub?"


Come come now Pops. You threw the insult about me hiding my mouth, I responded.

Anyhow I cant be both Grumpy and laughing at the same time can I ?

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/10/2011 4:12:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have had some reasoned replys from my favourite posters. I am paraphrasing but  feel free to clarify.

We dont have Tigers in the UK
People in the US fall off mountains.
The Brits have bad teeth.
The report was slanted.
Doctors and patients are stuck in dark dungeons ( Not a bad thing on a BDSM site eh. )
I`m hiding my mouth.
Im socialist, quickly followed okay "so hes moderate, but hes in Europe so hes socialist."

I cant decide on the winner as I`m still waiting for one of them to respond to the actual report I linked to, with no cherry picking of odd lines.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/10/2011 4:13:23 PM   
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"Replace the FDA with a private consumer protection group like UL and you wouldnt have these issues. "

Surprised you see it that way. So few do actually.

Just look at the name "UNDERWRITER'S Labs". Underwriters are the ones who pay insurance claims. Maybe that's the solution, put our hands right into their pockets and see if they're properly motivated.

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Underwriters are not the "ones who pay insurance claims", not that it has anything to do with UL anyway. Underwriters assess whether a risk is insurable and at what rates. Once a policy is issued they are out of the process.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/10/2011 4:19:58 PM   
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Youre making my point mnot, most Chinese arent much better off than the Sudanese, which is why we enjoy the fruits of their slave labor the way we do. Most peoples are well below the poverty level, our poor have multiple cars and tvs and are fat, not so much in the Balkans or whatever.



This is the attitude I love about conservatives.

There really are no poor people, it's just a myth.

They are all overfed and driving Bentleys.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/10/2011 4:30:24 PM   
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This is the attitude I love about conservatives.

There really are no poor people, it's just a myth.

They are all overfed and driving Bentleys.


It is simple RML, they overlook the parts of the report they dont like to hear, such as the following.

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In other words, not only were the American poor worse off than the English poor, the affluent in the United States were worse off than the affluent in England.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/10/2011 4:31:29 PM   
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hes a regular asshole, as am I. But at least I own up to it eh

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Now that's not very "polite!" How about, "GrumpySub?"


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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/10/2011 4:35:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Once the underwriting agreement is struck, the underwriter bears the risk of being able to sell the underlying securities, and the cost of holding them on its books until such time in the future that they may be favorably sold." Sounds like a vested interest to me.

But their (the UL's) credibility is based on the results. If you were an actuary and found that there are alot of home built cyclotrons, or even meth labs in a given area, the rates will be escalated.

It's been a long time since I've seen a product (in the category) on the shelves that is not UL approved. Actually in the old days, some products really were improperly approved, but that seems to be a thing of the past.

I'm not sure how much law exists about selling devices that are not approved. Who to enforce anything ? If the UL saw some of the things I did when I was a kid, they would probably fall over. Know those things in the old scifi movies with the arc traveling up two conductors going "Bzzzzzzap,, bzzzzzzzap. bzzzzap" ? I had one and it was extremely dangerous. I was running two transformers directly off the AC line, the second being pushed to eight times it's intended limits. It was enough to kill easily, and what's more if I left it running too long it would get so hot a fire would start eventually - actually not all that eventually. What if I sold one of thee things and the buyer fell asleep with it running ? So much for that house. Or apartment building, could you imagine the possible liability ?

Now the FDA, well they're not quite on the ball, if they were there wouldn't be so many class action lawsuits against drug manufacturers. It seems though that there is enough money in the industry to support this folly ( money from where ? ). In fact I suspect that once a few suits have been filed, the industry itself instigates the class action lawsuits and probably pays for the advertising as well. This makes it alot more manageable. Then they get people to settle for structured settlements which costs them even less. Well worth a lawyer bill I would say.

But that's business, and business is business. it is a gamble, and there are real odds and pot odds. The winner know how to play. Play with our health and lives ? Hell yes, they couldn't care less if they died.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/10/2011 4:43:11 PM   
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True. But their credibility is based on the results. If you were an actuary and found that there are alot of home build cyclotrons, or even meth labs in a given area, the rates will be escalated.

It's been a long time since I've seen a product (in the category) on the shelves that is not UL approved. Actually in the old days, some products really were improperly approved, but that seems to be a thing of the past.

I'm not sure how much law exists about selling devices that are not approved. Who to enforce anything ? If the UL saw some of the things I did when I was a kid, they would probably fall over. Know those things in the old scifi movies with the arc traveling up two conductors going "Bzzzzzzap,, bzzzzzzzap. bzzzzap" ? I had one and it was extremely dangerous. I was running two transformers directly off the AC line, the second being pushed to eight times it's intended limits. It was enough to kill easily, and what's more if I left it running too long it would get so hot a fire would start eventually - actually not all that eventually. What if I sold one of thee things and the buyer fell asleep with it running ? So much for that house. Or apartment building, could you imagine the possible liability ?

Now the FDA, well they're not quite on the ball, if they were there wouldn't be so many class action lawsuits against drug manufacturers. It seems though that there is enough money in the industry to support this folly ( money from where ? ). In fact I suspect that once a few suits have been filed, the industry itself instigates the class action lawsuits and probably pays for the advertising as well. This makes it alot more manageable. Then they get people to settle for structured settlements which costs them even less. Well worth a lawyer bill I would say.

But that business, and business is business. it is a gamble, and there are real odds and pot odds. The winner know how to play. Play with our health and lives ? Hell yes, they couldn't care less if they died.

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1. I am an actuary by training, but I know that wasnt your point, lol.

2. the bolded is my main point. There were no laws that required UL approval, they weren't needed. They built a reputation of reliable testing and people just wouldnt buy an electric product or fire extinguisher that didnt have a UL seal. And that was 100 years before the internet was available to disseminate information about their standards.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/10/2011 4:44:37 PM   
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hes a regular asshole, as am I. But at least I own up to it eh

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Now that's not very "polite!" How about, "GrumpySub?"



Come on guys, dont fight over me........ And yes, Im a regular arsehole, thanks to good health care.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/10/2011 5:20:23 PM   
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hes a regular asshole, as am I. But at least I own up to it eh

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Now that's not very "polite!" How about, "GrumpySub?"


Yeah, bet he's a smartass and you're a ................well.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/10/2011 9:46:49 PM   
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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/11/2011 4:06:53 AM   
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hes a regular asshole, as am I. But at least I own up to it eh

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Now that's not very "polite!" How about, "GrumpySub?"



Come on guys, dont fight over me........ And yes, Im a regular arsehole, thanks to british health care.


Typo fixed

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/11/2011 4:21:41 AM   
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Yes and we have proper psychiatric care for the mentally unstable. We don't make them become right wing politicians like they do in the States.


Now, that was not very nice Stella. Funny as hell, but not very nice.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/11/2011 4:42:36 AM   
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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/11/2011 4:45:24 AM   
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