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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/11/2011 6:00:42 AM   
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Americans make up just 5 percent of the world's population, yet they represent more than half of every medical dollar spent on the planet, Avendano said.


No doubt the usual suspects will tell me why this research is wrong. I consider Princeton to be impartial though, certainly not slanted in the UK`s favour.

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/boomer-health/articles/2011/03/09/americans-have-worse-health-than-english-peers-study-finds


Just a bunch of socialists.....

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/11/2011 6:11:35 AM   
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110310/ap_on_he_me/us_med_premature_birth_drug

Maybe this is one reason why Americans pay so much more than everyone else in the industrialized world for health care.


Replace the FDA with a private consumer protection group like UL and you wouldnt have these issues.



Wow.  Willbe, I gotta give you credit for thinking outside the box.

That said, you're comparing apples to oranges.  The FDA creates guidelines, while the UL verifies that products meet guidelines.  I consider the UL to be a compliance agency - they're not concerned about consumer protection as much as whether products meet set guidelines, and consider the guidelines themselves to protect the consumer.


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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/11/2011 10:38:32 AM   
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Typo fixed


Very clever, I had to think for a minute.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/11/2011 12:16:46 PM   
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110310/ap_on_he_me/us_med_premature_birth_drug

Maybe this is one reason why Americans pay so much more than everyone else in the industrialized world for health care.


Replace the FDA with a private consumer protection group like UL and you wouldnt have these issues.



Wow.  Willbe, I gotta give you credit for thinking outside the box.

That said, you're comparing apples to oranges.  The FDA creates guidelines, while the UL verifies that products meet guidelines.  I consider the UL to be a compliance agency - they're not concerned about consumer protection as much as whether products meet set guidelines, and consider the guidelines themselves to protect the consumer.



Huh? They both create guidelines and they both test compliance with them.

However, nitpicking over specific roles just avoids the main point...a private company that fulfills the exact same functions as the FDA would be far better than having them do it.

and it isnt "outside the box" in the least. Privatization of functions the Feds have proven they are incapable of handling should BE the box.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/11/2011 12:29:54 PM   
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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/11/2011 12:58:57 PM   
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If you like looooooooooooong waits and horrid treatment options, then sure.

No treatment options for some things.

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The National Health Service is the one good thing the Socialists ever did.




So how long did you live in the UK Sanity?

I'm assuming that you are speaking from experience.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/11/2011 1:07:59 PM   
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However, nitpicking over specific roles just avoids the main point...a private company that fulfills the exact same functions as the FDA would be far better than having them do it.


Yes, because all those private companies do so much better at fulfilling the public interest.

Is Enron enough or do I need to continue?

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/11/2011 2:23:09 PM   
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However, nitpicking over specific roles just avoids the main point...a private company that fulfills the exact same functions as the FDA would be far better than having them do it.


Yes, because all those private companies do so much better at fulfilling the public interest.

Is Enron enough or do I need to continue?



Nope you don't. For every Enron there are a dozen counterexamples. The government sure as hell isnt what built the greatest economy the world has ever known.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/11/2011 2:29:43 PM   
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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/11/2011 3:19:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Privatization of functions the Feds have proven they are incapable of handling should BE the box. "

Ummmmmm, I think that might just put them out of business.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/11/2011 3:35:02 PM   
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"Privatization of functions the Feds have proven they are incapable of handling should BE the box. "

Ummmmmm, I think that might just put them out of business.

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Pretty close!


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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/11/2011 3:43:26 PM   
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However, nitpicking over specific roles just avoids the main point...a private company that fulfills the exact same functions as the FDA would be far better than having them do it.


Yes, because all those private companies do so much better at fulfilling the public interest.

Is Enron enough or do I need to continue?



Nope you don't. For every Enron there are a dozen counterexamples. The government sure as hell isnt what built the greatest economy the world has ever known.



Ecxept they are there to contain the excesses of greed that seem to have become the standard in the corporate world.

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RE: Damn socialists make British healthier than Americans. - 3/12/2011 12:33:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		RML, it was always that way.

Proof ? Simple - Child labor laws. The formation of unions. The unions did not come from spontaeous generation, they were needed to fight corporate greed. They would make $10 of your day's work, clear profit and pay you a penny. Well maybe a dime. Look it up.

But like anything else that obtains power, it became corrupt.

The problem is always the people.

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