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truckinslave -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 10:10:43 AM)

I heard you had a new prospect chained up in the basement.
Or was that "prospector"? [:D]



mnottertail -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 10:39:02 AM)

It was a republican jehovahs witness, but hes in the acid barrels now. 



Sanity -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 11:19:08 AM)


Your weak spin meets reality hard as people everywhere realize that much of Islam still practices the bloodthirsty teachings of its earliest prophet(s) whereas no other religion does (unless you consider the practices and beliefs of communist / socialist zealots a religion).

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

Once again, that "reading comprehension" thing rears its ugly head for those invoking what they are incapable of understanding, as argument.


All this is, however, explanatory in that selective interpretation works  across the board, both in seeking to promote one and vilify the other.


I'm still waiting, as for further amusement, further expounding on how one tome finds itself in "historical context" while another is "open ended." I've not yet read anything in the Bible or the Torah that said, regarding genocide, war, slavery, etc. "but that was way back when, we shouldn'a done that, and we shouldn't do it anymore."










mnottertail -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 11:20:51 AM)

didn't the catholics give it all up for buggery and the episcopalians for lent?



Sanity -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 11:23:14 AM)


Doesnt Kim Jong Il still hold an entire nation hostage



mnottertail -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 11:24:41 AM)

He's not muslim, (although he does exhibit some republican tendencies) and no..like libya or iraq or any number of countries, if they were hostage, they have a long tradition of martial mein.



willbeurdaddy -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 12:12:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Doesnt Kim Jong Il still hold an entire nation hostage




Only inadvertently in the process of trying to corner the world kimchi market before PA starts investing.



tweakabelle -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 2:56:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

They invent one grievance after another.
If we nuked Israel for them it would only increase their contempt for us.


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Sanity
Yes, many Muslims may well hate us even more because we dont hate Jewish peoples as they do.


Statements like these encourage speculation about motivation and relationships with reality.

To make them, it seems to me that, at the very minimum, one must totally ignore:
*the confessions of virtually every captured Islamist;
*the public statements of of every Islamist group;
*the stated goals of every Islamist group;
*the analysis of the American military commanders in the region;*
*the views of every Arab Govt;
*the often-stated views of Arab peoples everywhere; and
*the everyday practice of almost all of the world's 1.5 billion Muslims.

That's without even mentioning Israeli culpability, the history of the ME conflict, the virtually unanimous views of the non-Arab world (outside the US and a few other Western countries) or any of a host of other relevant factors that contradict your stated views. That is some balanced analysis, some relationship with reality!

As Truckin has openly announced on another thread that he "hates" Islam, there is no need to discuss motivation is there? Need I point out that the few people in the Muslim world who hold views corresponding to yours are the members and support base of Al Quada?

Bigots have a lot more in common than than just bigotry.




* http://www.smh.com.au/world/the-big-shift-us-puts-israel-on-notice-20100326-r336.html



jlf1961 -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 3:08:23 PM)

Tweakabell, the problem is quite clear. Religious intolerance is alive and well in the United States, and Sanity, Truckinslave and others on this board make that point quite well. It is that intolerance that makes the United States a target of more than just the Muslims.

So much for the famous phrase "All men are created Equal."

And when you talk about religious texts promoting violence, I suggest that all of these people read Leviticus.

Lets see, the bible actually says you can take a rebellious child to the city gates and kill him, you are to put homosexuals to death, you stone prostitutes and adulterers, kill witches, etc.

It makes it clear there is a time to kill.



Sanity -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 3:16:51 PM)


You and tweak attack me personally because you cant refute the facts presented, which that is the hallmark of a true leftist. When your arguments fail you as they always do you make it personal, time after time, thread after thread, discussion after discussion.

There is nothing intolerant in facing facts, and you obviously cannot dispute the Koranic verses I presented which ran counter to those you did and so you come unhinged.

And you couldnt be more wrong about me personally as I like everyone, Muslims, Atheists, Christians, everyone - up until that point which they prove to me they dont want or deserve my friendship.


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Tweakabell, the problem is quite clear. Religious intolerance is alive and well in the United States, and Sanity, Truckinslave and others on this board make that point quite well. It is that intolerance that makes the United States a target of more than just the Muslims.

So much for the famous phrase "All men are created Equal."



Sanity -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 3:22:50 PM)


An edit now, to attack ancient Jews (and modern Jewish people by extension) in hopes that modern Islam might not look so bad in comparison?

Youre really acting desperate, and its senseless to continue trying to defend and cover up or apologize for these things which should be laid bare for all to see.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Tweakabell, the problem is quite clear. Religious intolerance is alive and well in the United States, and Sanity, Truckinslave and others on this board make that point quite well. It is that intolerance that makes the United States a target of more than just the Muslims.

So much for the famous phrase "All men are created Equal."

And when you talk about religious texts promoting violence, I suggest that all of these people read Leviticus.

Lets see, the bible actually says you can take a rebellious child to the city gates and kill him, you are to put homosexuals to death, you stone prostitutes and adulterers, kill witches, etc.

It makes it clear there is a time to kill.



Sanity -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 3:40:33 PM)


You cant get any action any other way I presume

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

It was a republican jehovahs witness, but hes in the acid barrels now. 



jlf1961 -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 3:41:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


An edit now, to attack ancient Jews (and modern Jewish people by extension) in hopes that modern Islam might not look so bad in comparison?

Youre really acting desperate, and its senseless to continue trying to defend and cover up or apologize for these things which should be laid bare for all to see.





I really do hate to tell you but in every christian service I have attended, there are bible readings from the OLD and NEW testaments. Christianity has not thrown the old testament away, it is still used to justify many things.

However, since you seem to believe that Christians do not READ the old testament, I suggest you look up Luke 22:36. Why would Jesus be telling his followers to buy swords? A sword has but one purpose, to kill.

Even if you claim that it was for self defense, it still creates a problem considering his commandment to "turn the other cheek."



tweakabelle -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 3:42:48 PM)

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You and tweak attack me personally because you cant refute the facts presented, which that is the hallmark of a true leftist. When your arguments fail you as they always do you make it personal, time after time, thread after thread, discussion after discussion.


I questioned your analysis Sanity. I listed 7 specific areas that your analysis of Islam omitted. I added a number of geo-political factors that were also excluded from your analysis, and alluded to a host of many more similar exclusions. I added these up to conclude that the analysis you offered was so selective, skewed and biased, it encouraged speculation about the motivations and relationship to reality of its author.

I also note your continuing silence on all of the above. If you wish to have your analysis taken seriously, the first thing to do is present a serious analysis that covers all the relevant factors.

For as long you fail to do this, you are inviting others to speculate about your motives. Please address the specific criticisms I advanced, if only to eliminate this possibility.



Sanity -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 3:53:41 PM)


Im not going after all the red herrings you threw out except to point out how it was your claim that Muslims hate us because were friends with the Jews. I simply pointed out some of the underappreciated undercurrents directly relating to these relationships emanating directly from the Koran.

You know what they say about denial, ignore the reality all you want, but its on you not me.



tweakabelle -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 3:54:50 PM)

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An edit now, to attack ancient Jews (and modern Jewish people by extension) in hopes that modern Islam might not look so bad in comparison?


The suggestion that the Old Testament is anti-Semitic is novel, to say the least.

As red herrings or diversionary tactics go, it is innovative and original.

Using Christian texts to imply anti-Semitism as part of a defence of Islamophobia is certainly a unique example of inter-faith dialogue.



Sanity -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 4:01:13 PM)


Again, the ancient barbaric practices you feebly point to in some kind of crazy defense of modern Islam committing their many infamously horrific acts are only carried out by Muslims and Leftists in modern times, at least on any kind of relative scale.


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I really do hate to tell you but in every christian service I have attended, there are bible readings from the OLD and NEW testaments. Christianity has not thrown the old testament away, it is still used to justify many things.

However, since you seem to believe that Christians do not READ the old testament, I suggest you look up Luke 22:36. Why would Jesus be telling his followers to buy swords? A sword has but one purpose, to kill.

Even if you claim that it was for self defense, it still creates a problem considering his commandment to "turn the other cheek."



Sanity -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 4:02:25 PM)


Youre making things up in your mind to argue against now

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

quote:

An edit now, to attack ancient Jews (and modern Jewish people by extension) in hopes that modern Islam might not look so bad in comparison?


The suggestion that the Old Testament is anti-Semitic is novel, to say the least.

As red herrings or diversionary tactics go, it is innovative and original.

Using Christian texts to imply anti-Semitism as part of a defence of Islamophobia is certainly a unique example of inter-faith dialogue.



Lucylastic -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 4:12:12 PM)

During the years 1941-1945 the Independent State of Croatia accomplished a monstrous plan publicly formulated by the Ustashi minister Mile Budak: "We will murder one third of Serbs, evict another, and we will convert the rest to the Catholic faith thus turning them into Croats"
In this Roman-Catholic Ustashi land of horrors, where the Orthodox were forced to wear a blue arm-band with the letter "P" ("Pravoslavec" - Engl. Orthodox), similar to the Jews who wore the hexagonal yellow star. During four years Ustashi had tortured and killed about 800.000 Serbs, 40.000 Gypsies and 30.000 Jews, deported 280.000 and forcibly rebaptized 240.000



Lucylastic -> RE: Republican Islamaphobia in terrorist hearings (3/14/2011 4:18:30 PM)


In Northern Ireland, "the troubles" refer to about three decades of violence, largely between the Roman Catholics nationalist community who sought union with Ireland and the primarily Protestant unionist community who want to remain part of the UK. It was largely rooted in discrimination by the Protestant majority against the Catholic minority. Between 1969 and 2001, 3,526 people were killed by Republican and Loyalist paramilitary groups and by British and Irish security forces. An uneasy peace was attained by the Belfast Agreement of 1998 and has endured.
  [image]http://www.religioustolerance.org/_themes/topo/topbul1d.gif[/image]The Rwanda genocide was mainly an ethnic conflict between the Hutu majority and the Tutsi minority. The religious split in the country (75% Christian, mostly Roman Catholic, and 25% indigenous) appears to not have been a significant factor. On the order of 800,000 Tutsi and moderate Hutu were murdered, mostly by being hacked to death.
  [image]http://www.religioustolerance.org/_themes/topo/topbul1d.gif[/image] The war in Bosnia-Herzegovina was among three faith groups, (Muslim, Roman Catholic, and Serbian Orthodox). The Serbian Orthodox Christian attacks on Muslims was elevated to the level of genocide.
  [image]http://www.religioustolerance.org/_themes/topo/topbul1d.gif[/image]The horrendous civil war in Sudan has a significant religious component among Muslims, Christians and Animists. But inter-tribal warfare, racial and language conflicts are also involved.
  [image]http://www.religioustolerance.org/_themes/topo/topbul1d.gif[/image] The Second Congo War (a.k.a. Africa's World War and the Great War of Africa) started in 1998 in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. By 2008, 5.4 million persons had been killed, largely from disease and starvation. Hostilities continue to the present.



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