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RE: Pain sluts - 5/9/2006 4:20:59 PM

Tamerofwild1s

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i think also, sadly, i am addicted to pain. the mental clarity it gives me compares to nothing. not to mention the unfaltering adoration it draws from me towards Him for wielding that power over me.

there is only one pain i dont like, i hate having my inner thighs bit, caned, anything. it is the most tender part of my body and hurts beyond pleasure.

i dont think i am a pain slut.

I was just reading this . your not a "pain addict"
A pain addict is someone who has to have pain all the time .. I have met and scened pain addicts . they would call me just to get thier "fix" of pain
you my dear girl crave the pain and are a pain slut of sorts. their is absolutely nothing wrong with that and it can actually make a D/s relationship stronger provided your Dom knows this and how to handle it. Your cravings can make scenes with your Dom stronger and more passionate .. they will intensify the feelings you each have for the other.

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/9/2006 4:52:46 PM

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yes, i could argue otherwise though [althoug i dont know why i would want to] because i recieve regular spankings from my Master to keep me feeling 1] Sane, and 2] Dominated. /shrug

either way, i dont plan on changing

dont think i could.

thank you sir for your input

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/9/2006 4:56:51 PM

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I'm not what you would call overly sadistic, but lately have on occasion found my thoughts wandering towards those that are often known as pain sluts. Are those of you in that camp fond of all pain, or pain with a certain person inflicting it upon you?

I fantasize about being a pain pig. And I fully intend to do exactly that some day. However those fantasies are limit only to a cruel sadist woman, younger than myself, very feminine, and I personally know, who takes serious personal enjoyment in no mercy punishment play. Knowing that she can do almost anything she wants to and will get away with it. Let's face it somethings are just insane.

Of course sexuality, erotic stimulation, and the like make all the difference to the level play. If the domme is sexually undesirable then S&M is as undesirable as sex itself would be with that person. Personally I have never been able to do either with a woman simply because she was willing.

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Just certain types of pain?

You bet, just ceratin types of pain. Dropping a trunk on your foot is not good pain. Taking my mistresses best lashes from a cat, hearing her laughter, accross my back, ass, and back of my thies is good pain. Best yet is to watch her standing if front of me; as she uses a single tail on my naked helpless body as I stand bound and spread eagle, in front of her. Ooh, almost forget, with her well worn panties, or thong, turned inside out and stuffed in my mouth.

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Did you have these desires from an early age or were they developed as you went through life?

From my teenage years. My first girlfriend was very manipulative and controling. A tomboy who loved wrestling me over any excuse and sitting on my face. What can I say, I like it! Late teenage years was when I found a book explaining things.

Come to think of it my first non-mastibatory ejaculation happened when she was face sitting me in a pair of blue hot pants. She taught me that there were far more things to do with a woman than skip stones, kick the can, and basket ball. God I love women.

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/9/2006 5:30:16 PM

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I don't like accidental pain; I whine and seek sympathy from one and all if I get stung by a bee or cut myself.
I do very much enjoy pain play, no whining there! I have found that experience has been the best teacher for me, learning how to relax and absorp the blows rather than tense against them; learning to not anticipate what may be next but just go with the flow.
Truth be told, there are times that I would happily forgo the sex part of it because the endorphins make me so mellow it's difficult to expend the energy. On the other hand, there have been times that I orgasmed with the pain and no other stimulation.
I have had the desire for pain most of my life; I am fairly new to the lifestyle and I have developed my love of pain over the past 3 years. I am thrilled that the reality is even better than what I had imagined in my fantasies.

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/9/2006 5:58:18 PM

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The masochist says "Spank me."

The Sadist says "No."

Just me, could be wrong, but there ya go.

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/10/2006 4:42:07 PM

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I am a Sadist and have been for many moons .. one thing to know is that the use of pain in scenes definetly starts thye power exchange happening during the scene .. but the sub/slave must have the trust in you or it can be harmful in its reactions. I always start off slow . maybe a warm up spanking then work thru the arsenal of tools I own ... and after doing it enough years I have learned to be able to notice the sub or slaves body reactions too .. once the flinching stopps they are either in total sub space or they are in a very trusting zone and enjoyingit . one thingI have always done is played with a girls body a slight touch here or there to bring them pleasure while pain scening always makes for a more enjoyable experience . and the girl soon learns to associate pleasure and pain all in one sceneI have trained quite a few girls to become "pain sluts" but caution must be used in how you train .. because otherwise you either get a "pain addict" or someone who is damaged by it and doesn't ever want to experience it again.

I would disagree that pain in a scene definitely starts the power exchange from happening. Personally, I think the term Power Exchange is an over used word and even mis-used almost as much. I would say that Energy of a scene becomes much different when one is utilizing Pain as part of the interactions. I would also state that the introduction of Pain in a scene "CAN" be a reinforcement facter to the roles of the giver and recieve of the pain. However many peoples power positions in a relationship is long understood before play actaully occurs and this understanding is sometimes the very reasons they are together in the first place.

I would also disagree that a bottom that stops flinching or moving is an absolute that they are in "total" subspace. mmmmm they could be dead. My experience has shown me that bottoms will all be very different in their behaviors while they are enjoying the natural chemical rush that SM produces. However, I have found that many bottoms are actually unconsciously behaving in the manner that they preceive the Top wants or enjoys. If they hear a Top express enjoyment of docile bottoms as they are beating them. This perception will transfer into the play dynamics and expression of the bottom. A bottom's perception of what a Top enjoys will have significant impact on a bottom's behaviors. This becomes very noticable when you watch how a bottom's behavior's change with other Top's. As well, when you watch a Top that plays with there usual partners, you will see some very common behaviors occuring between them. This is not to say that there are not differences, for we all have individual quailities that we bring to the play.

Further, as a Sadist I seek to cause and enjoy pain in the play. I may start out slow or I may start out very hard. The individual and their state of mind is very big determining factor in what approach I use. As a Sadist, subspace is a by product of what I do, it is not the purpose. Frankly, a bottom that is in flowing rather nicely in subspace doesn't appeal to me very much at all. Many natural body chemicals have a tendency of dampening the sensations of pain and this in of itself doesn't give me enjoyment. Those people that I play with that are masochist can be assured that they will enjoy an ever increasing level of pain until I have had my fill or they are not capable of enduring any more without being harmed. It is when I end the play that I bring them down into that subspace and let them ride it for the 15 or 20 minutes that the body is able to keep the chemicals going for. However, the mental and emotional ride last much longer than that physical natural high.

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/10/2006 5:47:30 PM

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Further, as a Sadist I seek to cause and enjoy pain in the play. I may start out slow or I may start out very hard. The individual and their state of mind is very big determining factor in what approach I use. As a Sadist, subspace is a by product of what I do, it is not the purpose. Frankly, a bottom that is in flowing rather nicely in subspace doesn't appeal to me very much at all. Many natural body chemicals have a tendency of dampening the sensations of pain and this in of itself doesn't give me enjoyment. Those people that I play with that are masochist can be assured that they will enjoy an ever increasing level of pain until I have had my fill or they are not capable of enduring any more without being harmed. It is when I end the play that I bring them down into that subspace and let them ride it for the 15 or 20 minutes that the body is able to keep the chemicals going for. However, the mental and emotional ride last much longer than that physical natural high.

I may be misunderstanding you; are you saying it is a negative that sub space allows me to feel the pain in a muted sense? It is my experience that mental state then allows the dominant the opportunity to prolong and intensify the session. I may not scream or beg, but the tears flow freely. A recent development for me is that during pain play, my muscles will start trembling uncontrollably as if I am shivering with cold. When the dominant intensifies the pain, the trembling stops. It is as if my body requires a greater level of pain to be soothed.
I have played with dominants who believed that sub space was a 'cop out'. Agony is not my goal. I do not want to be emotionally traumatized by pain play, I want to enjoy what the dominant wishes to give so that we are both eager and ready for the next time.
I do not mean this to be antagonistic, I simply would like to understand your point of view.

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/10/2006 10:48:10 PM

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the "shivers" you experience are definetly the "subspace happening . from what I understand in talking with subs and slaves it is a peaceful plane your on and does allow you to take more pain it is also supposed to be quite a rush.

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/11/2006 8:59:17 AM

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I'm not what you would call overly sadistic, but lately have on occasion found my thoughts wandering towards those that are often known as pain sluts. Are those of you in that camp fond of all pain, or pain with a certain person inflicting it upon you? Just certain types of pain? Did you have these desires from an early age or were they developed as you went through life?

Coming into this a bit late- for me a pain slut is someone who actively craves and seeks a relatively intense level of the type of pain they get off on (not necessarily sexually).

I've noticed it's about even between those who started off strong and those who developed over time.

While I am very submissive I have always been a wimp when it comes to pain. A few years ago I had a girl friend who wanted to try spanking me with a belt and I gave up after only 5 swats. But recently I attended a BDSM party for the first time and was facinated by the action going on there, I couldn't imagine how these peole could take the kind of whipping that was being dished out. A Mistress came over to me and started chatting and we were getting along quite well. She asked me if I would like a session with her. Well before I knew it I was up on the stage, stripped, blind folded and tied to an X-frame. I was wondering what I had gotten myself into. Well she gave me the experience of a lifetime. I never knew that pain and pleasure could be mixed until you couldn't tell the difference. I went way beyond what I thought my tolerance for pain was and I experienced a high that I now know came from endorphins. I was truly in this sub space that everyone talks about. I feel that I had a sexual experience without the sex. Now I am completely hooked. I can hardly wait to experience it again. I think it really matters having the chemistry between Mistress and sub and the build up is importnat too. I doubt I would have had such a great experience if Mistress had just started whipping me from the beginning. I will be forever grateful to her, I hope she will take me into training. According to Lucky Albatross's definition above I am a pain slut.

Nikki Ann TS

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/11/2006 12:45:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: catize
I may be misunderstanding you; are you saying it is a negative that sub space allows me to feel the pain in a muted sense? It is my experience that mental state then allows the dominant the opportunity to prolong and intensify the session. I may not scream or beg, but the tears flow freely. A recent development for me is that during pain play, my muscles will start trembling uncontrollably as if I am shivering with cold. When the dominant intensifies the pain, the trembling stops. It is as if my body requires a greater level of pain to be soothed.
I have played with dominants who believed that sub space was a 'cop out'. Agony is not my goal. I do not want to be emotionally traumatized by pain play, I want to enjoy what the dominant wishes to give so that we are both eager and ready for the next time.
I do not mean this to be antagonistic, I simply would like to understand your point of view.

I am not saying that the effects of body chemicals that cause subspace is neccessarily a negative thing. Rather, it's a postivie affect that will actually allows me to prolong and continue play I enjoy because of it. However, My focus and goal is not to get the masochistic bottom to subspace. My focus with a masochistic bottom is to play with the pain as long as one is able to endure it. To endure to a point that will NOT cause emotional and/or physical Harm! The effects of the chemicals allow me to keep pushing the masochist to higher and higher levels of pain.

My last paragraph in my previous post is speaking specifically as a sadist and my use of bottom may of been misleading Let me explain. masochists are bottoms. But not all bottoms are masochists. I see a rather significant distinction between masochists and bottoms. masochistic bottom's primary focus is to enjoy the pain and subspace is a by product of that. A bottom primary focus is to enjoy the ride of natural ride of subspace and pain could be one of the methods to get there. Some are able to get there by bondage and other methods that are not by pain. For sadists and masochists, the body chemicals are an ally to our play for it allows us to increase the pain that can occur and get more of what we want.

Therefore, As a Sadistic Top. Playing with a bottom it is very important to understand their gratification for playing. A bottom will speak of the high and state of mind they researched. The masochistic bottom will savor in the pain endured, enjoyed and the feelings they gain from that. With a bottom, my focus will be different for them. It will not be about them enduring the pain. But to send them into a joyous ride of subspace. I do gain alot of fun doing this as well. Just like I enjoy all sorts of chocolate, But, Dark chocolate is my favorite. So when I play with a masochist, I am able to do something very enjoyable.

Furthermore, SM for me is very sexual. But meaning sexual doesn't mean having sex. There is an intense arousal factor from engaging in SM for myself. I play with three women as general rule(alandra, kyra and denika). All three are masochistic in their focus of the SM play and it causes them to be sexually aroused from it . Kyra is likely the most sexaully aroused from the experience of the three. In fact, after an intense session, she craves sex and I tried to satisfiy that craving *g*! alandra has the lowest sexual drive of anyone I have known, but in SM she will orgasm repeatedly while I have been caning and/or paddling her. denika is the less sexaully aroused of the three in SM play, but is very much an adrenline junkie. The rush of pain sends her soaring for more. With her there is this play with the frailitiies of life. In playing with pain she feels more alive and she loves to feel alive!

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/11/2006 12:59:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tamerofwild1s

the "shivers" you experience are definetly the "subspace happening . from what I understand in talking with subs and slaves it is a peaceful plane your on and does allow you to take more pain it is also supposed to be quite a rush.

I would tend to think that the shivers is the body showing withdrawal as the body chemicals are starting to disapate in the body. This is supported by the fact that when the Dominant increases the intensity of the pain the shivers stop. This to me indicates that the increased intensity causes another shot of body chemicals being produced, which satisfies the body's crave and the shivers stop. Rather like the addict that starts to shake when they need start to crave another hit of drugs.

Some people fail to understand that in SM play you are in effect playing with drugs. Drugs that are naturally made within the body itself. Like any drug, it has addictive properties to a person and we can show behaviors that could be associated with an addict. I would add that we are addicted to alot of things. Our body is really a body of chemicals that interact within us. Some addictions can be good.... we call them Good Habits. For example, Some individuals become highly disciplined in their exercise programs and never miss it. Well exercise it self can cause many of the same body chemicals that a person enjoys in the acts of SM. I suspect most have heard the term "Runner's High".

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/11/2006 1:26:49 PM

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As the owner of a pain slut...I can see the enjoyment in her eyes,in her grin of being able to withstand
a good whacking.Its a matter of pride for her.she doesnt want to disappoint Me in any way.

For her its a competion of much can she handle.
Its a lot...except...when I squirt water on her ass, that seems to bring out that sting in the slap.
she hates that squirt bottle...lol

Even as a kid she had a high pain tolerence that has strengthened over time.

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/11/2006 1:33:37 PM

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Its a lot...except...when I squirt water on her ass, that seems to bring out that sting in the slap.
she hates that squirt bottle...lol

mmmmmmmmm why do I suspect you love the squirt bottle lol

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/11/2006 2:11:43 PM

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In my world....being kind of masochistic....and enjoying the pain inflicted by another in regard to BDSM....has allowed me to deal better with incidental pain...internalize it...kind of let it flow through me instead of tensing my body against it, that doesn't mean i don't feel it....i just don't fight it. Many times i can get the same physical/endorphin rush.

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/11/2006 2:13:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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Its a lot...except...when I squirt water on her ass, that seems to bring out that sting in the slap.
she hates that squirt bottle...lol

Ummmm...Hmmmm...I have no clue....But you are right...Love that thing...cold water spraying...yummy

mmmmmmmmm why do I suspect you love the squirt bottle lol

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/11/2006 3:38:32 PM

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Thank you for taking the time to respond so thoroughly. Your clarification was helpful and appreciated.

Your following post comparing the shivers to withdrawal from drugs is quite accurate; indeed, I had that thought myself!

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/11/2006 5:42:58 PM

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Kyra is likely the most sexaully aroused from the experience of the three. In fact, after an intense session, she craves sex and I tried to satisfiy that craving *g*!

"Tried" being the operative word here, my Lord? I remember the night after the Luper play party, you "tried" to satisfy the sexual craving I had.... something along the lines of "kyra leave my cock alone and go to sleep" *eg* I never thought the day would come where I would want sex and you didn't!!

kyra

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/11/2006 6:03:07 PM

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"Tried" being the operative word here, my Lord? I remember the night after the Luper play party, you "tried" to satisfy the sexual craving I had.... something along the lines of "kyra leave my cock alone and go to sleep" *eg* I never thought the day would come where I would want sex and you didn't!!

kyra

girl I think you were dreaming... and before alandra jumps in... you both were dreaming in unison!

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/11/2006 6:05:54 PM

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girl I think you were dreaming... and before alandra jumps in... you both were dreaming in unison!

my Lord, I think I would classify that as a nightmare... one of the worst I have ever had *g*

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RE: Pain sluts - 5/11/2006 6:07:38 PM

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my Lord, if i was dreaming i would have been dreaming of watching kyra play with your cock and then you fucking her.... why would i dream of just going to sleep?

Knight's alandra

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