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RE: The changing face of America - 3/26/2011 6:31:31 PM   
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America's face looked just fine before the invasion of illegal Hispanics/Latinos and Muslims began.
This quote right here should be example number one the next time someone foolishly asks me why I dare refer to you as....racistjim.
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I'm pretty sure I have never questioned it before and you're right. That does pretty much explain it all. I also have to give you credit for not painting the entire right with his bs posts like Aynne did up in post 43.



Suffice it to say that there are several that post in this forum that consider themselves to be left wing or right wing, but the wings themselves would disown them.


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RE: The changing face of America - 3/26/2011 7:03:24 PM   
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We're not.

Something like 6% difference between groups(races) in how our DNA manifests. And it's a very important 6%.
http://www.ln.edu.hk/philoso/staff/sesardic/Race.pdf


After reading the link you supplied I was left wondering if you had read it too.

My reading is that the figure of 6% (claimed in your post to account for genetically determined racial variation among humans) is twenty (20) times greater than the proper figure for comparison to Charles' figure of 0.5% The accurate figure is actually 0.03%.*

The linked paper makes no claims, nor does it offer any evidence about the importance of that 0.03%. Need I point out that 0.03% is hardly a substantial base on which to make a point?

The paper is a critique of current orthodoxy in the fields of philosophy, biology, genetics and anthropology re: race. It seeks to open a discussion of a possible relationship between race and genetics. Or, as the author puts it:

"My aim is to challenge the arguments that are usually thought to invalidate the biological concept of race."

No attempt was made to propose a biological concept of race. According to the most generous reading of the paper, such a concept remains, at this point, a theoretical possibility rejected out of hand by scientific consensus in all the relevant disciplines.

That doesn't necessarily invalidate it. It does necessitate some serious argument and evidence, both of which were lacking. So I'm sorry to say that you will have to offer far more compelling evidence than this if you wish your claims (opinions? prejudices?) to be given serious consideration.

As the rest of the post was equally uninformed and, at times, even wilder speculation I'm not going to bother taking it too seriously.



Then you didn't read the article very well or at all. If you had then you would have notice it on page 6 (148) half way down and it's continual reference throughout the rest of the article.

"Lewontin estimated the inter-racial variation comprises only about 7% of the total genetic variation in the human species"

That is what I meant by 6% difference in manifestation. I guess it is difficult to understand without the proper frame of reference. Also, had you read it fully you would have also noticed it tearing philosophers a new one using scientific fact. Then tearing other scientists a new one for offhandedly dismissing results and ignoring research because its unpopular. The biological concept of race has already been established. However, it was been pigeonholed by bad research for the better part of 30 years. I also like how you don't address anything else I've said and simply pass off what I say as prejudice to avoid doing so.

But this was only intended to illustrate a point, not sidetrack. So I ask again, Why it is only EU and USA must be multicultural and diverse? Why not Australia, China, Japan, India, etc.? Why do people feel the need to move to other places for a better life and ask that place and their people to change? If they wanted change, why not change where they're at and better their home country? This is analogous to moving in with a stranger against their wishes and pushing them to renovate their home because it doesn't look like the one I previously lived in.

I ask again how would you like an influx of 22 million Aborigines?


Yes I understood what the paper says. It is you who misunderstands. In the section I have bolded, you are quoting a statistic in an inappropriate context and conveying a totally false impression of the scientific position.

The " total genetic variation in the human species" amounts to, as Charles pointed out, about 0.5% of our total genetic inheritance. The amount of genetic variation between humans is a tiny percentage of total human genetic inheritance.

So 7% of the " total genetic variation in the human species" = 7% x 0.5% = 0.35% of our total genetic inheritance. To assert Lowentin claims it is 7% is to over-state his position by a factor of 20!

You claim that "The biological concept of race has already been established.". I have never heard that claim made by a reputable scientist. I have heard it rubbished on many occasions by reputable scientists. Even the paper that you referenced quotes several well known biologists rubbishing that claim.

It's very clear to me that you are unable to comprehend academic papers. I'll be happy to continue this conversation with you after you have show that you have acquired this ability.


Oh noes! What I said wasn't phrased well but was clarified in my source! What ever am I to do?!?!

My source goes on to address those "reputable scientists" and mentions others reputable scientists that have recognized a biological difference between races all along. Perhaps you would like to, you know, actually read the article?

But this was only intended to illustrate a point, not sidetrack. So I ask again, Why it is only EU and USA must be multicultural and diverse? Why not Australia, China, Japan, India, etc.? Why do people feel the need to move to other places for a better life and ask that place and their people to change? If they wanted change, why not change where they're at and better their home country? This is analogous to moving in with a stranger against their wishes and pushing them to renovate their home because it doesn't look like the one I previously lived in.

I ask again how would you like an influx of 22 million Aborigines?




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RE: The changing face of America - 3/26/2011 8:55:28 PM   
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Australia, where I live is a multicultural country will immigrants from practically every nation under the sun. We like it that way too.

FYI Aborigines are "indigenous " or "native" to Australia. So your question re the 'influx' is meaningless. You cannot have an 'influx' of people already indigenous or native to a country. All that question does is make you look and sound ridiculous. Not such a difficult task I would imagine.

It's clear that not only do you fail to comprehend academic level papers, but you are only interested in cherry picking science for evidence to support whatever wacky ideas on race you have. As the paper you referenced made clear, there is no scientific/biological/genetic basis for race theory. Your attempts to insinuate one merely betray the woeful level of your ignorance on the science of the matter.

Please take your grubby game, and your utterly inane questions elsewhere. I am not interested in anything that leads to hate, and that seems to me to be the only destination on the road you're travelling.

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RE: The changing face of America - 3/26/2011 9:56:06 PM   
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Because diversity makes nothing better and is divisive.
That is not true. I'm sure I've read somewhere, that scientists recommend diversity when it comes to genes, and reproduction. M
LOL

Status diversity.
What type of status do you mean, because I still don't agree diversity more harmful than helpful. Sure, don't mix up a bunch of hurt angry people, with some millionnaires drinking champagne, they're not sharing. Other than that... Please explain how diversity is a bad thing.

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So I ask again, Why it is only EU and USA must be multicultural and diverse
? Why not Australia, China, Japan, India, etc.? Why do people feel the need to move to other places for a better life and ask that place and their people to change? If they wanted change, why not change where they're at and better their home country? This is analogous to moving in with a stranger against their wishes and pushing them to renovate their home because it doesn't look like the one I previously lived in.
How do you know, those countries aren't diverse. Besides, I guess if people felt their lives would be improved by moving to China, or India, I guess they would. I'm a cheerleader for the US being best; and I think it ought to remain that way as much as anybody. In fact, that's a large part of the reason I'm not crazy about free trade.
Your argument would stand a lot better, if US had a PURE history, and Christopher Columbus actually discovered it. As it does not, we'll have to stick to legal, versus illegal immigration as the point to be argued, IMO. M

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RE: The changing face of America - 3/26/2011 10:07:34 PM   
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Australia, where I live is a multicultural country will immigrants from practically every nation under the sun. We like it that way too.

FYI Aborigines are "indigenous " or "native" to Australia. So your question re the 'influx' is meaningless. You cannot have an 'influx' of people already indigenous or native to a country. All that question does is make you look and sound ridiculous. Not such a difficult task I would imagine.

It's clear that not only do you fail to comprehend academic level papers, but you are only interested in cherry picking science for evidence to support whatever wacky ideas on race you have. As the paper you referenced made clear, there is no scientific/biological/genetic basis for race theory. Your attempts to insinuate one merely betray the woeful level of your ignorance on the science of the matter.

Please take your grubby game, and your utterly inane questions elsewhere. I am not interested in anything that leads to hate, and that seems to me to be the only destination on the road you're travelling.


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RE: The changing face of America - 3/26/2011 10:09:30 PM   
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Because diversity makes nothing better and is divisive.
That is not true. I'm sure I've read somewhere, that scientists recommend diversity when it comes to genes, and reproduction. M
LOL

Status diversity.
What type of status do you mean, because I still don't agree diversity more harmful than helpful. Sure, don't mix up a bunch of hurt angry people, with some millionnaires drinking champagne, they're not sharing. Other than that...

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3613797

Is my response to you. But I will re-post for you:

Non-functional differences like race, language, age, sex, culture and even whether someone is homosexual. Ya know, those things that people want to celebrate.

I am not referring to standing in society or your bank account.

I am referring to those things that are put ABOVE our humanity. I am not a human, I am a black lesbian. We need to celebrate my blackness, my homosexuality, and my femaleness.

That is all well and good, but I see no positive purpose in celebrating ones genes.

Everything that I have seen shows that promoting our difference promotes strife.

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Please explain how diversity is a bad thing. M


That is equivalent to asking me to explain why cholera is a bad thing.

Other than restaurants, please tell me WHERE status/non-functional diversity has been a good thing.

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RE: The changing face of America - 3/26/2011 10:31:41 PM   
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I am referring to those things that are put ABOVE our humanity.
I agree that nothing ought to be put above our humanity. But if that is how you feel, you cannot get all indignant, trying to be all original, and old school quoting words that were as positive as cholera (to use your word). That piece of crap was written, while too many people were not recognized as human.

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"Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people, a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence."
John Jay, 1st Chief Justice of the United States, President of the Continental Congress, Federalist Papers, 1787


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Please explain how diversity is a bad thing. M

That is equivalent to asking me to explain why cholera is a bad thing.
I definitely cannot deal with your issues, if you think that people born from different places, gays, or different religions carrying on their lives in this enourmous country, is akin to cholera. M

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RE: The changing face of America - 3/26/2011 10:35:33 PM   
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Australia, where I live is a multicultural country will immigrants from practically every nation under the sun. We like it that way too.


That's nice. You'll notice other countries prefer otherwise. I can only speak to what news I've read but it seems to be causing problems in the EU and is certainly causing them in the USA. Why force it and cause problems if it is to happen naturally anyways?

In rechecking I admit Australia is a bad example. Ironically, it's about the only bad example.

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FYI Aborigines are "indigenous " or "native" to Australia. So your question re the 'influx' is meaningless. You cannot have an 'influx' of people already indigenous or native to a country. All that question does is make you look and sound ridiculous. Not such a difficult task I would imagine.


The question is a hypothetical situation. A quick increase in the Aborigine population by 22 million would indeed be an influx. It's a very simple question. Why are you so apparently unable to answer it?

Influx: A coming in; infusion; introduction; importation in abundance, etc. Notice the second?

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It's clear that not only do you fail to comprehend academic level papers, but you are only interested in cherry picking science for evidence to support whatever wacky ideas on race you have. As the paper you referenced made clear, there is no scientific/biological/genetic basis for race theory. Your attempts to insinuate one merely betray the woeful level of your ignorance on the science of the matter.


Hardly cherry picking when a more recent peer reviewed article is published that addresses the faults of former peer reviewed articles. That is how scientific writings and progress works. I could show you 5 or 10 papers to the same effect and you would still ignore them. I can say this as you can't even seem to read one, as shown by your (false) insistence on the bolded.

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Please take your grubby game, and your utterly inane questions elsewhere. I am not interested in anything that leads to hate, and that seems to me to be the only destination on the road you're travelling.


Why do you label things in such a way to invoke appeals to emotion as opposed to addressing them in a logically sound manner?

Don't feel the need to answer, you inability to do so speaks volumes. As do the emotionally charged posts.

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RE: The changing face of America - 3/26/2011 11:04:59 PM   
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No country has a pure history. It just depends on how far back you want to set the marker. But yes, there are very practical reasons to have immigration laws when the protection and maintaining of the current country is being considered.

Aylee does have a very good point though. Celebrating diversity simply to recognize it often leaves a bad taste in others mouths.

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RE: The changing face of America - 3/26/2011 11:05:33 PM   
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I am referring to those things that are put ABOVE our humanity.
I agree that nothing ought to be put above our humanity. But if that is how you feel, you cannot get all indignant, trying to be all original, and old school quoting words that were as positive as cholera (to use your word). That piece of crap was written, while too many people were not recognized as human.

Your point is what?

It was stated that the USA was founded on diversity. I say that it was not. I provided a quote for that.

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"Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people, a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence."
John Jay, 1st Chief Justice of the United States, President of the Continental Congress, Federalist Papers, 1787


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Please explain how diversity is a bad thing. M

That is equivalent to asking me to explain why cholera is a bad thing.

I have. Repeatedly. The celebration of non-functional diversity is divisive and provides no positive return.

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I definitely cannot deal with your issues, if you think that people born from different places, gays, or different religions carrying on their lives in this enormous country, is akin to cholera. M

I think that you are missing the point.

The celebration and the reverence and the constant focus of difference creating an "us" versus "them" attitude is akin to cholera. It destroys instead of creating. Tears down instead of building up.

I do not care about the status/non-functional diversity aspects of a person. I sure as hell am not going to celebrate them.

Keep in mind that you are the one that has brought up biology. I have not. I granted you the idea of diversity in mating for better offspring. You have now taken this to the plane of diversity for the sake of diversity.

You still have not answered the question:

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Other than restaurants, please tell me WHERE status/non-functional diversity has been a good thing.


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RE: The changing face of America - 3/26/2011 11:20:19 PM   
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You still have not answered the question:


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Other than restaurants, please tell me WHERE status/non-functional diversity has been a good thing.
Well at least you've found a second place where diversity is kool. I go to clubs with different people all the time, and have a fabulous time. I only don't go to gay clubs much, because I'm kind of straight. The one time I have gone, fabulous time. I've been in at least 5 countries, and only one was a little cold/restrained, but fortunately I had one of their boys doing for me as I wished, so it was great just the same.

I'm actually conservative enough to agree on all the frickin celebrating gets too much; but there cannot be censorship either... Which I guess means, whoever wants to celebrate, can, and will, without my interference. You don't have to celebrate anything you don't want to either. I've not had any Black, Mexican, or Gay person ever drag me into the street, kicking and screaming.
This country was definitely founded on diversity, whether mentioned in the constitution initially or not. M

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Your point is what?
My point was/is, that your quoted chief justice was an ethnocentric egomaniac, with a God complex, and that his words were dellusional crap. The pompous sac thought he could control future behavior of the masses, who were not than homogenized, spoke the same language, or followed the same religion. M

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RE: The changing face of America - 3/26/2011 11:37:04 PM   
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You still have not answered the question:


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Other than restaurants, please tell me WHERE status/non-functional diversity has been a good thing.
I don't know where you eat, but I always eat in diverse restaurants, and it's always fabulous. I suggest you try a restaurant a little more upscale than the fast foods/buffet type of places.


OTHER THAN!!!!!

Ethnic restaurants are great. I have said this. (Your cute little passive-aggressive snark was noticed, feel better.)

Now, please tell me WHERE status/non-functional diversity has been a good thing.

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I'm actually conservative enough to agree on all the frickin celebrating, as long as there is no censorship either... Which I guess means, whoever wants to celebrate, can, and will, without my interference.
This country was definitely founded on diversity, whether mentioned in the constitution initially or not. M

No, the country was not founded on diversity. We are way too English and they are way too Roman for the USA to have done that.

In this day and age, lack of a national identity is a liability, not an asset.

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RE: The changing face of America - 3/26/2011 11:38:01 PM   
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I know, I was editting while you were responding. My bad!

You can't be too sensitive if you're quoting homogeneity from 1787. I apologize, especially since I omitted the "other" from your post initially. M

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RE: The changing face of America - 3/26/2011 11:42:47 PM   
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Your point is what?
My point was/is, that your quoted chief justice was an ethnocentric egomaniac, with a God complex, and that his words were dellusional crap. The pompous sac thought he could control future behavior of the masses, who were not than homogenized, spoke the same language, or followed the same religion. M

As a leader of the new Federalist Party, Jay was the Governor of New York State from 1795 to 1801, and he became the state's leading opponent of slavery. His first two attempts to pass laws for the emancipation of all slaves in New York failed in 1777 and in 1785, but his third attempt succeeded in 1799. The new law that he signed into existence brought about the emancipation of all slaves there before his death in 1829.

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I am curious as to why you are so bitter. Do dead white guys upset you that much?

If you read up on him, he did not have a g*d complex, he was very g*d fearing.

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RE: The changing face of America - 3/26/2011 11:58:01 PM   
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I'm having a discussion with you about a very simple fact. The quote at that time, did not include scientific evidence of there being only one race. The quote at that time, said the country should be one face, and one religion.
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"Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people, a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence." John Jay, 1st Chief Justice of the United States, President of the Continental Congress, Federalist Papers, 1787
I don't believe for one minute, that you don't understand the uselessness of that quote, for the time it was written in.

I would love the quote, if it were written in the present, withought the same religion, because apparently, we do share the same ancestry (as it turns out), and it included a statement about abolishing slavery, paying the Indians interests on their land investments, and acknowledging the humanity of all.

Bitter? When I don't feel good, I don't come here to post. I have friends and family. Besides, I'm currently , watching Lisa Lampanelli on the comedy channel. M

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RE: The changing face of America - 3/27/2011 12:13:48 AM   
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Bitter? When I don't feel good, I don't come here to post. I have friends and family.


You just sound a bit bitter. I could be wrong. Do you have a societal example of WHERE status/non-functional diversity has been a good thing. You went to a gay bar and it was okay is not what I am asking for and you are aware of that.

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I'm having a discussion with you about a very simple fact. The quote at that time, did not include scientific evidence of there being only one race.

Why would it? He was a politician not a scientist. He also never mentioned race.
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The quote at that time, said the country should be one face, and one religion.

No, he was saying that they were BLESSED with that. National identity.
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"Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people, a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence." John Jay, 1st Chief Justice of the United States, President of the Continental Congress, Federalist Papers, 1787
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I don't believe for one minute, that you don't understand the uselessness of that quote, for the time it was written in.

Why do you feel that it was useless. Keep in mind that this is less that 150 years after the 30-years war and the after effects were lingering.
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I would love the quote, if it were written in the present, withought the same religion, because apparently, we do share the same ancestry (as it turns out), and it included a statement about abolishing slavery, paying the Indians interests on their land investments, and acknowledging the humanity of all. M

What about diversity being such a good thing? His quote and opinions are different and diverse from yours. Why are you not celebrating them? Why would you like them better if they were more like your own?



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RE: The changing face of America - 3/27/2011 12:44:37 AM   
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Do you have a societal example of WHERE status/non-functional diversity has been a good thing. You went to a gay bar and it was okay is not what I am asking for and you are aware of that.
The US is a perfect example of diversity working, because it has alwayes been diverse. There were growing pains, but that doesn't mean a relationship is bad or dysfunctional.
Washington D.C., and the tri-state area around D.C.

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What about diversity being such a good thing? His quote and opinions are different and diverse from yours. Why are you not celebrating them? Why would you like them better if they were more like your own?
I have always lived, partied, worked, and suffered within a diverse group, and that's life, and mostly, a very positive thing. I've lived in diverse places within the US, that are nice, peaceful, fun places to live.
I have seen groups clash, but it usually happened because they were not educated enough to understand one another, accept the humanity of everyone, and/or did not speak the same language. Religion is very divisive, and that will always be a problem with your favorite quote.
You think diversity is bad. I believe you feel that way, only because you don't know what you're missing. I have known some magnificent human beings, many of which do not look, or necessarily act like me. M


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RE: The changing face of America - 3/27/2011 2:16:27 AM   
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Aylee, can you nominate a single area of human endeavour that is not characterised by diversity? Some test where humans failed to perform across a range of results? Where everyone is the same? Or everyone performs to the same standard? If one exists, I've never heard of it.

Or any area of everyday life where humans all perform to the same standard? Cooking? Running? Thinking? Talking? Writing? Working? Posting to CM? Tastes? Fashions? Likes and dislikes? Any area, discipline, or skill? Test humans in any area and you will get a range of results. People perform across a range of diversity.

All humans are diverse. We're the same and we're different at the same time. We are diverse. That diversity is all around you and me and everyone else every second of every day.

That diversity is the impetus for change and renewal. Without change and renewal things become stagnant and die. The tendency to diversify through random mutation is the driving force of evolution - without it, we wouldn't be here. Humans as we know them wouldn't have evolved. The world as we experience it would have died off long ago without this tendency to diversify.

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RE: The changing face of America - 3/27/2011 3:18:42 AM   
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Do you have a societal example of WHERE status/non-functional diversity has been a good thing. You went to a gay bar and it was okay is not what I am asking for and you are aware of that
Imported hollywood actors, and exported American films.

Colin Powel
Barack Obama

http://www.blackinventor.com/pages/daniel-williams.html.
Daniel Hale Williams was born on January 18, 1856 in Hollidaysburg, Pennsylvania. He
Daniel was apprenticed to a shoemaker in Baltimore but ran away to join his mother who had moved to Rockford, Illinois. He later moved to Edgerton, Wisconsin where he joined his sister and opened his own barber shop. After moving to nearby Janesville, Daniel became fascinated with a local physician and decided to follow his path. He began working as an apprentice to the physician (Dr. Henry Palmer) for two years and in 1880 entered what is now known as Northwestern University Medical School. After graduation from Northwestern in 1883, he opened his own medical office in Chicago, Illinois.
Because of primitive social and medical circumstances existing in that era, much of Williams early medical practice called for him to treat patients in their homes, including conducting occasional surgeries on kitchen tables. In doing so, Williams utilized many of the emerging antiseptic, sterilization procedures of the day and thereby gained a reputation for professionalism. He was soon appointed as a surgeon on the staff of the South Side Dispensary and then a clinical instructor in anatomy at Northwestern. In 1889 he was appointed to the Illinois State Board of Health and one year later set for to create an interracial hospital.

On January 23, 1891 Daniel Hale Williams established the Provident Hospital and Training School Association, a three story building which held 12 beds and served members of the community as a whole.

The school also served to train Black nurses and utilized doctors of all races. Within its first year, 189 patients were treated at Provident Hospital and of those 141 saw a complete recovery, 23 had recovered significantly, three had seen change in their condition and 22 had died. For a brand new hospital, at that time, to see an 87% success rate was phenomenal considering the financial and health conditions of the patient, and primitive conditions of most hospitals. Much can be attributed to Williams insistence on the highest standards concerning procedures and sanitary conditions.

Two and a half years later, on July 9, 1893, a young Black man named James Cornish was injured in a bar fight, stabbed in the chest with a knife. By the time he was transported to Provident Hospital he was seeking closer and closer to death, having lost a great deal of blood and having gone into shock. Williams was faced with the choice of opening the man's chest and possibly operating internally when that was almost unheard of in that day in age. Internal operations were unheard of because any entrance into the chest or abdomen of a patient would almost surely bring with it resulting infection and therefore death. Williams made the decision to operate and opened the man's chest. He saw the damage to the man's pericardium (sac surrounding the heart) and sutured it, then applied antiseptic procedures before closing his chest. Fifty one days later, James Cornish walked out of Provident Hospital completely recovered and would go on to live for another fifty years. Unfortunately, Williams was so busy with other matters, he did not bother to document the event and others made claims to have first achieved the feat of performing open heart surgery. Fortunately, local newspapers of the day did spread the news and Williams received the acclaim he deserved. It should be noted however that while he is known as the first person to perform an open heart surgery, it is actually more noteworthy that he was the first surgeon to open the chest cavity successfully without the patient dying of infection. His procedures would therefore be used as standards for future internal surgeries.

In February 1894, Daniel Hale Williams was appointed as Chief Surgeon at the Freedmen's Hospital in Washington, D.C. and reorganized the hospital, creating seven medical and surgical departments, setting up pathological and bacteriological units, establishing a biracial staff of highly qualified doctors and nurses and established an internship program. Recognition of his efforts and their success came when doctors from all over the country traveled to Washington to view the hospital and to sit in on surgery performed there. Almost immediately there was an astounding increase in efficiency as well as a decrease in patient deaths.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanderbilt_family.:The Vanderbilt family is a significant international family with Dutch origins. Highly prominent during the 19th century due to family patriarch Cornelius Vanderbilt's railroad and shipping empires, the family is known for 'building America's railroads'. Cornelius Vanderbilt's descendants went on to build great Fifth Avenue mansions, Newport, Rhode Island "summer cottages," the famous Biltmore House and various other exclusive homes. Vanderbilt family members were leaders of the high society scene and the Gilded Age until the early 20th century, when the ten great Fifth Avenue mansions were torn down and other Vanderbilt homes were sold or turned into museums.
Branches of the family are found on the United States East Coast as well as in the United Kingdom. Contemporary descendants include fashion designer Gloria Vanderbilt, her son journalist Anderson Cooper, and musician John P. Hammond.

Gay successful people, who mix nicely within America: Barney Frank, Ellen Degeneres, Anderson Couper, etc... http://www.queerattitude.com/society/famous.php.
•Portia de Rossi (Ally McBeal; Nelle)
•Cynthia Nixon (Sex & The City; Miranda)
•Alex Parks (Fame Academy)
•Jill Jackson (Speedway)
•Rupert Everett (Shrek, My Best Friend's Wedding)
•Martina Navratilova (Tennis player)
•Jake Shears (Scissor Sisters)
•Marc Almond (Soft Cell)
•Peaches (musician)
•Tegan and Sara Quin (Tegan & Sara, band)
•Robert Stadlober (Summer Storm, De: Sommersturm)
•Robert Newton (athlete)
•Mark Feehily (Westlife)
•John Cameron Mitchell (Hedwig & The Angry Inch, Shortbus)
•Anne Heche (actor)
•Darren Hayes (Savage Garden)
•Rhona Cameron (comedian)
•Colin McAllister and Justin Ryan (TV interior design couple)
•Edwin Morgan (Scottish national poet)
•Evan Davis (journalist, Dragons' Den (UK) presenter)
•Scott Mills (BBC Radio 1 DJ)
•Russell T Davies (writer; Queer As Folk, Dr Who)
•Derren Brown (magician, illusionist)
•Lance Bass (N Sync)
•Ricky Martin (musician)
•Duncan James [bisexual] (Blue)
•Sean Hayes (Will & Grace; Jack)
•Luke Macfarlane (Brothers & Sisters; Scotty)
•Adam Lambert (singer)
•Russell Tovey (actor; Being Human, History Boys)
•and specifically some more non-caucasians...
•Kele Okereke (Bloc Party) (one of the few British black, gay-and-out celebs)
•George Hosato Takei (StarTrek; Sulu) (Asian)
•Wanda Sykes (American writer, actress, comedian) (black)
•Darryl Stephens (Noah's Arc; Noah Nicholson) (black)

Lest we forget, phillosophers, Artists, Politicians who were great/mixed well, worldwide.
Increased racial harmony, with noted hair on fire behavior by people who hate that (fun to watch). M

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RE: The changing face of America - 3/27/2011 3:32:56 AM   
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Your conclusion is off.

What we need to do is assimilate, to celebrate our commonality, not our differences. Multiculturalism is a recipe for chaos and disunity; even the euros are starting to see this (Germany, UK, Sweden)....

It's e pluribus unum, not e pluribus multi pluribus.

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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
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