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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 7:27:13 AM

SaharahEve

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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009

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I don't know the measure of hotness being used here, but I wanted to say, I've been with a slave who paid for everything when/while we were together, including lots of shopping. I didn't demand money from him. Since him, my other potentials have simply been gentlemen who paid when we were out on dates.

And that's fine. In fact, I think it's rather typical (though I don't have enough data to support that assertion). I assume that many (most?) male subs/slave probably buy things for their Domme, pay for dates, etc. I know that I certainly do. Frankly, I'm a bit old-fashioned, and I just consider that to be chivalry.

But that's not the behavior that I was referring to. You specifically said that you didn't demand money. So you're not the type of Domme that I was referring to. What I meant was a Domme who DEMANDS that you pay a few of her bills as a condition for servitude. For example, she might say "If you want to be my slave, you have to pay my car note ($450/month) and my cell phone bill ($120/month)". If those financial conditions are not accepted, the sub/slave is rejected.

Those are the type of examples that I was referring to. For these Dommes, financial support is a stipulation for service. Yet, they don't consider themselves to be financial Dommes. It's purely supply and demand. The women I'm referring to are unbelievably hot, so they have enough suitors that they can always get someone to accept their conditions. Men are just predictable like that. A hot woman will ALWAYS be able to get men to spend lots of money on her. And frankly, she doesn't even have to put out to get the cash. So I disagree with those who immediately call those women "prostitutes". They're not prostitutes. But life has taught them that extraordinarily good looks hold a certain level of sway over most men.

In short, it pays to be hot. Literally.

Hush, now Rochsub. Your wise words are going to stir up trouble among the not-so-lovely step sisters who had once ruined the ever-so-lovely Cinderlla's dress because of their raging jealousy. Beauty also has the power to make certain people behave in very ugly ways, you know.

As always, your posts are spot on.

:-)

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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 7:56:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: SaharahEve

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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009

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ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW
I don't know the measure of hotness being used here, but I wanted to say, I've been with a slave who paid for everything when/while we were together, including lots of shopping. I didn't demand money from him. Since him, my other potentials have simply been gentlemen who paid when we were out on dates.

And that's fine. In fact, I think it's rather typical (though I don't have enough data to support that assertion). I assume that many (most?) male subs/slave probably buy things for their Domme, pay for dates, etc. I know that I certainly do. Frankly, I'm a bit old-fashioned, and I just consider that to be chivalry.

But that's not the behavior that I was referring to. You specifically said that you didn't demand money. So you're not the type of Domme that I was referring to. What I meant was a Domme who DEMANDS that you pay a few of her bills as a condition for servitude. For example, she might say "If you want to be my slave, you have to pay my car note ($450/month) and my cell phone bill ($120/month)". If those financial conditions are not accepted, the sub/slave is rejected.

Those are the type of examples that I was referring to. For these Dommes, financial support is a stipulation for service. Yet, they don't consider themselves to be financial Dommes. It's purely supply and demand. The women I'm referring to are unbelievably hot, so they have enough suitors that they can always get someone to accept their conditions. Men are just predictable like that. A hot woman will ALWAYS be able to get men to spend lots of money on her. And frankly, she doesn't even have to put out to get the cash. So I disagree with those who immediately call those women "prostitutes". They're not prostitutes. But life has taught them that extraordinarily good looks hold a certain level of sway over most men.

In short, it pays to be hot. Literally.

Hush, now Rochsub. Your wise words are going to stir up trouble among the not-so-lovely step sisters who had once ruined the ever-so-lovely Cinderlla's dress because of their raging jealousy. Beauty also has the power to make certain people behave in very ugly ways, you know.

As always, your posts are spot on.

:-)

Actually, any woman past high school age (sometimes younger) knows this to be true. Society tells this to young girls from an early age...looks count, the beautiful princess...albeit covered in ashes or mute due to the loss of her tail...will always win the heart of the prince (and every stable hand in the kingdom) and the "ugly" step sisters will be left to fend for themselves.

Any woman worth her salt also knows that men, while visual creatures, can be swayed to also see beauty below the surface and, depending on their ego, able to appreciate the Goddess within...regardless if she be Venus or Athena. Personal preferences, don't cha know and all that jazz

I would have to agree, though, with the statement "Beauty also has the power to make certain people behave in very ugly ways", but I wonder if we're viewing that quote from the same angle.

It's a pleasure to have both you, SaharaEve, and Roachsub posting again.

Bones...who was CarrieO

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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 8:21:48 AM

Rochsub2009

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ORIGINAL: SaharahEve
As always, your posts are spot on.

Thank You, Miss Eve. i appreciate the compliment.

(Side note: i sent You a private message a couple weeks ago about a concern that i had. Did You receive it, and was my concern justified? Please respond via PM. Thanks.)

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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 8:24:57 AM

Rochsub2009

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ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh
It's a pleasure to have both you, SaharaEve, and Rochsub posting again.

Bones...who was CarrieO

Thanks. It's good to be back.

BTW, I didn't realize that you used to be CarrieO. Thanks for mentioning that. I thought you were a newcomer.

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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 8:45:33 AM

SaharahEve

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ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh
It's a pleasure to have both you, SaharaEve, and Roachsub posting again.

Bones...who was CarrieO

Thank you for the kind note, (formerly) CarrieO.

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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 8:47:19 AM

SaharahEve

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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009

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ORIGINAL: SaharahEve
As always, your posts are spot on.

Thank You, Miss Eve. i appreciate the compliment.

(Side note: i sent You a private message a couple weeks ago about a concern that i had. Did You receive it, and was my concern justified? Please respond via PM. Thanks.)

Hmmm, not certain if I recall that. Will PM you, however.

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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 8:55:52 AM

SaharahEve

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And, btw, it's always refreshing to read your posts as well. :)

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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 9:14:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh

Any woman worth her salt also knows that men, while visual creatures, can be swayed to also see beauty below the surface and, depending on their ego, able to appreciate the Goddess within...regardless if she be Venus or Athena. Personal preferences, don't cha know and all that jazz

On the other hand, many women have become far too dependent on that philosophy to the degree they resent any man that cannot look beyond the physical when making a selection. i find the ideology is rather rampant on the Internet and often demeans anyone that values aesthetics in the mating process. An ability to view the Goddess within isn't dependent on ignoring the external. The compilation will merely be different depending on ones makeup and preferences.

Namaste,

~porcelaine

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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 9:45:15 AM

BonesFromAsh

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ORIGINAL: porcelaine
An ability to view the Goddess within isn't dependent on ignoring the external. The compilation will merely be different depending on ones makeup and preferences.

Agreed. There's a lot to be said for having a healthy ego/self-esteem before heading out into the wide world of dating/mating. Funny how it all comes back to personal preferences, no matter how much we try to pick it apart.

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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 9:46:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: SaharahEve

And, btw, it's always refreshing to read your posts as well. :)

Thank you

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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 9:59:03 AM

porcelaine

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Agreed. There's a lot to be said for having a healthy ego/self-esteem before heading out into the wide world of dating/mating. Funny how it all comes back to personal preferences, no matter how much we try to pick it apart.

i agree. It's the negative backlash that i cannot stomach. i've yet to encounter anyone that didn't have a preference or ten, but it would appear that some are more 'politically correct' than others to verbalize.

Namaste,

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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 12:36:03 PM

LaTigresse

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I look at it this way. I've got to be me. Demanding money from random guys just isn't ME. Kudos to those that do it, can do it, and make it good for for all involved.

I adore getting gifts and I adore people doing things for me. However, I like to have a personal relationship with the people buying and doing. Given that I am damned picky about the people I am in relationships with, that tends to limit the buying and doing.

I am okay with that.

Then again.........I have NEVER received an email from a random stranger, serious about wanting to spend money on me either...

I am sure it would be quite a high. If they were willing, and begging.......I honestly doubt I would turn it down. I like good free stuff!

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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 3:44:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: SaharahEve
Hush, now Rochsub. Your wise words are going to stir up trouble among the not-so-lovely step sisters who had once ruined the ever-so-lovely Cinderlla's dress because of their raging jealousy. Beauty also has the power to make certain people behave in very ugly ways, you know.

His words aren't stirring up trouble at all IMO. A conversation is just that. I don't see why having dissimilar, or alternative views would be taken problematic, or showing jealousy. Cinderella is problematic to the beautiful women of the world at large. I hope we aren't all showing self hate, by trying to ruin her dress. M

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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 4:50:36 PM

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I don't think it's a great secret that looks tend to help a lot, but I think it's a bit unfair to label every woman who looks halfway decent as greedy. At the end of the day if both parties are happy with the arrangement, it doesn't really matter if there is money involved or not.

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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 4:52:45 PM

SaharahEve

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ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW

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ORIGINAL: SaharahEve
Hush, now Rochsub. Your wise words are going to stir up trouble among the not-so-lovely step sisters who had once ruined the ever-so-lovely Cinderlla's dress because of their raging jealousy. Beauty also has the power to make certain people behave in very ugly ways, you know.

His words aren't stirring up trouble at all IMO. A conversation is just that. I don't see why having dissimilar, or alternative views would be taken problematic, or showing jealousy. Cinderella is problematic to the beautiful women of the world at large. I hope we aren't all showing self hate, by trying to ruin her dress. M

I wasn't supporting the Cinderella Complex in Women; I was borrowing from a scene most are familiar with from childhood, which clearly portrayed the destructiveness of open jealousy about beauty. You know...a conversation is just that, and all that stuff.

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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 5:11:48 PM

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His words aren't stirring up trouble at all IMO. A conversation is just that. I don't see why having dissimilar, or alternative views would be taken problematic, or showing jealousy. Cinderella is problematic to the beautiful women of the world at large. I hope we aren't all showing self hate, by trying to ruin her dress.

Sorry, i agree with her. If that comment had been uttered on a fat thread it would be ripped to shreds. It's the same truth but in that context it would be viewed as judgmental, narrow-minded, or my all time favorite 'shallow'. Mainly because some people have a very hard time with the differences you're alluding to. Beauty is and always will give a benefit to those in possession of it. And as much as people want to denounce and spin that reality a million times around, the results remain the same.

So instead of agreement you'd have a mob like mentality that is always entertaining to read. Followed by the requisite bashing of physical beauty and a lack of appreciation for the 'things that matter'. Ending with a little back patting and reassurances of select members attractiveness. And a giant dose of hugglefucking for the road. This is totally acceptable and de rigueur for most venues.

People emphasize their assets all the time and that's perfectly okay. But some individuals are blessed with the ability to promote the one that the opposite sex has come to value. And that's when problems arise. i'm of the mindset that one shouldn't hate the pretty. And i'm not oblivious to the ugliness that the possessor may carry in spite of the external allure she wields. However, we all have this and arguing from that angle to silence the truth only leaves one looking like Cindy's siblings.

It isn't the fact that she's beautiful that's really the problem. It's the lengths that some men will undertake to possess her that causes ire. So the helpful types remind him of her imperfections with the hope that he'll see her through their eyes. He isn't ignorant of these things. They're merely of no consideration in relation to his quest. And of course she's aware of this and uses it to her advantage. i don't know many that wouldn't if they could. Though the chorus would lead you to believe otherwise.

Namaste,

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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 6:05:00 PM

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Exactamundo!

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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 6:31:27 PM

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Hello A/all,

I confess that there is something about the exchange between Porcelaine and the poster formerly know as CarrieO (sorry BonesFromAshes some times my fingers get the best of me) that leaves me a bit disconcerted.

My point of view may be a bit skewed here. I was blind in one eye for much of my teen and early adult years (isn't modern surgery wonderful?). Consequently, I may not be as much one of those "visual creatures" as the next guy.

My first observation is that beautiful women can be intimidating to be around. I've been in the presence of more than a few. More often than not, one of my brilliant observations on the passing scene has escaped my lips sounding like "HOOPDEE-WHOOPDEE-HOODELDEE-BOOP!" I think that that is the origin of the expression, "My tongue got hard." Intimidating or not, I have observed a "She's too hot for me." phenomenon in a lot of guys. My point here is that I think that most guys have a comfort range (for lack of a better term) when it come to the attractiveness of women.

My next observation may be exclusive to me but I doubt it. External beauty may get a woman a measure of ATTENTION; but, it takes more than that to hold a man's INTEREST. I think that is a valid distinction here.

My next observation requires a personal anecdote. I was contacted by a woman who said that she sought a man, Who wasn't shallow." Feeling that I have a tad more depth than a wading pool; I responded to her query and we went out for a few weeks. She was really REALLY big but at first I liked her. However, I made one innocent (at least to me) mis-step and found myself down range of more venom than all of the cobras in Africa and Southern Asia combined. I managed to make amends and smooth things over. Then... Well, let's just say that it always seems to take me twice to learn an important lesson. The statement that BonesFromAshes makes about the power of beauty is certainly valid. That power is not exclusive to beauty.

Externals not with standing, there are plenty of people who would gleefully ruin SaharahEve's (OOPPPS I mean)Cinderella's) dress.

I was reluctant to post this because I'd already dispensed "the most useful advice that you will ever receive on any subject, any where, any time." (The more I think about it that statement wasn't over the top at all.) This thread has been fun to follow. By the way I think that I'll trade those chocolate mixed creams in for some "Mist Mints."

Welcome Home Saharah Eve! It's nice to see you again.

Respectfully,
Mike
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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 6:37:13 PM

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There is a difference between recognizing a reality and being bitter about it.

Carry on.

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RE: Domms demanding money / tribute, and how to tell th... - 4/18/2011 6:50:44 PM

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It's funny how so many are intimidated by beauty. I have seen it a lot. I've discussed a bit in the past, a woman I was in a relationship with. A very beautiful woman.

This woman was taller than I. This woman was stunningly beautiful. So beautiful that while she was born with no need for money, she made a small fortune with her looks. A photo model, bit actress, and runway work. She was outwardly very self confident. Her whole life from a very young age, she was treated differently because of her looks. Oh poor baby many would say, but bullshit, I saw the cruelty. Born with a silver spoon and beautiful, and bright. Very very intelligent. Six or seven languages fluently. She learned how to use her looks and how to hide the pain from the nastiness.

I was lucky. Very very lucky to have this woman in my life. She left my life too soon. She left her life too soon. Her beauty didn't give her eternal life but while she was around it did give her advantages. Unfortunately, because of the insecurities of others, and her own insecurities.......it cut her life short.

I honestly do not understand the nastiness. As different as Saharah Eve and I are, I admire her. Given the opportunity I sincerely believe I would enjoy meeting her and visiting with her. For all of her beauty I always get the sense of an intelligent and complex woman. A woman with a sense of humour.

There are also submissive women on here, like Porcelaine and others, that I feel similarly about.

We do not have to be the SAME. We do not have to share exactly the same interests and goals in life. Quite honestly, I enjoy spending time with women that are comfortable in who they are, what they want, do not feel any need to apologise. Women that do not feel the need to tear other women down to feel good about themselves, but instead, celebrate one another's unique life paths, one another's accomplishments.

The catty competitive shit annoys me and causes me to lose respect for a woman. I don't have to be like another woman, share the same goals, to appreciate her and her goals.

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