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correct grammer - 5/10/2006 7:53:48 PM   
mrpettigrew


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Status: offline 		 as i can not spell in english good  do not have a spell checker and  problems finding the correct words in english to express serlf to others in a style of great intrest  i am courious as to the  fact people make such a big deal over these things and show less concern about the person involved then the grammer used. I am not refuring to rudness but simple spelling  nothing more . i guress for  all here or the greater part  all who do not write the language to their standards are excluded as  fools or stupid . Comments welcome ,
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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 7:54:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, because this is a text based medium. All we have are your words and how you use them.

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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 7:56:00 PM   
mrpettigrew


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Status: offline 		 that is true but  if one is interested in others would they not try to find about the other not just lay  critisum

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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 7:58:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I try to look at what a person is trying to convey rather than spelling and grammar errors. Doing that can uncover amazing insight and intelligence sometimes if one cares to look past initial appearance.

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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 7:59:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is a text-based medium and as a result, the text on the screen is frequently seen as reflecting the personality/intelligence/typing ability of the person behind the words.

That said, I have never seen someone speak poorly of a person who has English as a second language. Everyone I know is far more patient and forgiving with those who are not fluent in English, because it is such a difficult language to master. Most people who speak out against internet users who "butcher" the language seem to focus on native speakers, who (in their minds) should know better.

If you use Internet Explorer, here is a program that attaches to your browser and spellchecks text input boxes for things like forums and webjournals: http://www.iespell.com/

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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 8:00:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		The purpose of writing is to communicate ideas. If someone communicates an idea and it wasnt hard to read I generally do not care. There have been some posts I have read online that were so poorly written that they failed to communicate the idea they were trying to. I know I make mistakes, and I also know I am very educated, so why would I expect more from others than I do from myself? I think that those who get their panties (or boxers) in a knot over a misspelled word here and there either have OCD, or they suffer from low self esteem which requires them to bring down others to make themselves feel more important/superior.

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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 8:06:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		 you are ture in not seeing generaly  people slaming others whos first language in fact is not inglish but  most often  it is a think not asked or known when the  comments are made just assumed

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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 8:07:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's not simply a matter of making errors.  It's the KIND of errors that people make.  For example, there isn't very much that pisses me off more than when someone misuses or misspells a fancy word.  If you don't know how to use a word, don't use it.  Another thing that amuses me to no end is when people try to write something insulting and include a blatant error in the message.  Just how insulted is one expected to be when the message is written in Dumassese?  Then there are errors that show that the person just doesn't give a fuck.  How seriously do you expect someone to take your message when you obviously don't take it very seriously yourself?

Sure, when there's something insightful behind the errors, I pay attention too.  But, frankly, when something is written poorly, it usually doesn't communicate any brilliant ideas, either.  It just seems to work out that way.

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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 8:09:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

The purpose of writing is to communicate ideas. If someone communicates an idea and it wasnt hard to read I generally do not care. There have been some posts I have read online that were so poorly written that they failed to communicate the idea they were trying to. I know I make mistakes, and I also know I am very educated, so why would I expect more from others than I do from myself? I think that those who get their panties (or boxers) in a knot over a misspelled word here and there either have OCD, or they suffer from low self esteem which requires them to bring down others to make themselves feel more important/superior.



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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 8:15:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		mrpettigrew.....i find spelling a real problem even tho this is my mother toungue....one thing i was taught was to do all my replys in word document that has a spell checker incorporated within its program, then copy and paste the finished spelled correctly reply into the appropiate box....it works for me every time....however sometimes even spell check can get the words wrong.
 
also if someones gonna judge you soley on your spelling then that persons not worth the time of day/night.
 
most people call it typonese ....i speak it and read it very well now thank you LOL.

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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 8:19:35 PM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		I am guessing this is your pet peeve. I do not share it. I have seen errors in term papers that I have proofed for people that would make your eyes water. These same people were very articulate in class and had more than one original thought among them, they just couldnt write. Now I have been told on more than one ocassion by people who supposedly matter that I have a knack for the written word. It comes easily for me (although I have to admit I get lazy on forums). I have no way to judge people that do not share my talent. I cannot do math worth a damn, but I can write a decent paper. Go figure.

Life is full of entirely too much imperfection for me to get hung up about a post I cannot read on the internet. Murders go free, wars start over stupid bullshit, and doctors kill people with their mistakes. I just do not get stressed over a misspelled word, or care much about those who misspell them... call me crazy but I have bigger fish to fry.

edited for grammar...lmaorofl...LOL

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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 8:20:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		 thanlk you all for your comments they are appricated and in leaving i shall shear a thing weith you

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It is so sad we can not  view all with the same joy and beauty that we see
 in a sunrise or sun set
For in that  simple act  the beauty in all would be revealed

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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 8:22:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Having a brother who types with a stick attached to a headband, I'm the last person who will disparage someone's grammar or spelling knowing that there may be any number of reasons for improper grammar. I do get my panties twisted when someone storms into the forums proclaiming their brilliance and magna cum laude degrees in English then proceed to make errors of their own or worse, make up words which don't exist! If you are going to attack someone's grammar and/or spelling, better make sure your own are letter perfect or it will get called every time. Better yet, don't attack in the first place. ;)

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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 8:23:44 PM   
juliaoceania


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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Having a brother who types with a stick attached to a headband, I'm the last person who will disparage someone's grammar or spelling knowing that there may be any number of reasons for improper grammar. I do get my panties twisted when someone storms into the forums proclaiming their brilliance and magna cum laude degrees in English then proceed to make errors of their own or worse, make up words which don't exist! If you are going to attack someone's grammar and/or spelling, better make sure your own are letter perfect or it will get called every time. Better yet, don't attack in the first place. ;)

Celeste


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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 8:46:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dear MrPettigrew, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I am not good with spelling and such either.  However, I do use my computer's word processor to help me express my thoughts.  Not always but a lot.
 
I realize English may not be your first language--However, have you considered using "Translation" programs on the web/Internet?   For example German to English; English to German.  Most times the programs translate as well as properly spell for you in the text, then all you do is copy and paste onto the text or box here.
 
In addition, I have a friend who has Dyslexia.  He is extremely intelligent but he is unable to spell and use proper grammar.  His mind is unable to translate his thoughts to words very well.  He is a SIR and is often frustrated in his search for a boy/slave-- So, many times I go over his emails before he sends them to correct them, so he has better success.
 
Respectfully submitted,
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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 8:53:05 PM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		My uncle has dyslexia also. Thanks for sharing that. I had a friend that was deaf and when he tried to talk people thought he was retarded. People are often brutal without knowing what is going on.

Last I checked there was not some IQ requirement to be involved in BDSM or to talk about it on the internet. Some are more intelligent than others, but for a lifestyle that is supposed to be built on tolerance of others.

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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 8:54:14 PM   
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Aha! Someone found a pet peeve of mine. Lordandmaster and Smythe both expressed it well. I will add that I see it as a sign of laziness. There are several methods of checking spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc. Let's begin with what's available here.

The forum response box has a spell checker. It works through the browser, down loadable from here. One could always open up a separate browser window and use a dictionary site like Webster's. (See below for link.) There's also using an email program's spell checker. Certain Windows programs work for this as well.

What really burns my bootycakes is someone hashing the language to shreds with chatese. Nothing is as distasteful as stumbling through several paragraphs that appear to have been written by an illiterate pubescent. Rambling, incoherent, disjointed thought patterns poorly expressed make my teeth grind.

http://www.m-w.com/

Okay, my rant is done. Next....!


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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 9:01:49 PM   
LadyHugs


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Status: offline 		Dear MrPettigrew, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
May I submit for consideration, that you write your spellings of most frequently used words and perhaps have a computer correct them and then use the Thesaurus in the "Tools" section of the computer, to make sure that is the meaning to the word you're saying.  Then print it out and have it taped to the wall near your computer--so all you have to do is look at it for a quick spell check.
 
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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 9:09:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		My mother speaks English as her second language AND has dyslexia.  She's screwed.  LOL.  She typically has my Dad proof read her letters before sending them, because she knows they are full of errors.  To her credit, she also went back to school to take English courses and get her high school diploma while in her 50s (she grew up before, during and after the Spanish Civil War ) in a very large family that lost everything. So, the kids went to work at an early age.

I credit anyone who speaks more than one language and who makes every effort to communicate, rather than shy away from it. I remember as a child, my mother being frowned upon and smirked at for her very thick accent, and her response was always, "I'm sorry, how many languages do you speak?"

While ESL grammar and spelling may be difficul to understand, I would no more complain about the author's errors than I would if speaking to someone with a thick accent or a speech impediment.

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RE: correct grammer - 5/10/2006 9:29:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mrpettigrew
you are ture in not seeing generaly  people slaming others whos first language in fact is not inglish but  most often  it is a think not asked or known when the  comments are made just assumed


I'm going to be politically incorrect here--there are ESL challenges and I have immense respect for anyone who is learning English as a second (or third or fourth) language.  That old joke: What do you call someone who speaks three languages? Tri-lingual.  What do you call someone who speaks two languages? Bi-lingual.  Who do you call someone who speaks one language?  American.  Unfortunately, it applies to me.  I am dreadful at other languages.

But there is also sloppiness.  I have a great difficulty believing that you don't know that "English" is spelled with an "E" and that we capitalize languages or how to use punctuation.  When I couldn't understand "You are ture" (tour? tore?) I want to give you the benefit of the doubt.  But when we get to "inglish" I begin to think you haven't put much time into your post and just want me to accept your first draft as a final draft.   I'm sorry, but that just looks sloppy to me.  In the message boards, it is a little more casual, but I still get much less interested in the poster or willing to make the effort to understand what you are trying to say. 

I know my posts aren't perfect, but before I post, I cut and paste into word to check for spelling and then I proofread.  I think that if someone is going to take the time to read what I'm saying, the least I can do is a minimal level of polishing.  (I know this isn't enough to catch all mistakes.  For stuff in real life, I print out on paper, I proofread out loud, I've been known to change font style to trick my eyes to see mistakes, and I always get a second set of eyes.)  Mistakes happen.  Good writers re-write and no one is born writing like Tolkien or Chomsky.  But taking the time to proof is an important step in the writing process.

When someone is making an effort, I will cut them a heck of a lot of slack.  I speak with a British accent with French friends because they can understand me better when I pop my Ts and don't link any words.  (It doesn't hurt that I slow down when I do Brit).  But when people try to use "ESL" as an excuse for not being careful, I get really frustrated really quickly (much more in a professional setting than here; I often encounter it in my bizarre professional life).

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