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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 11:17:04 AM   
FelinePersuasion


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Status: offline 		It makes a person incredible hard to understand when they type. that's why.

I personally don't want to spend 15 minutes trying to decipher what someone is saying. I will simply skip a post of someone's that is so mangled I can't easily figure it out.

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 11:23:02 AM   
FelinePersuasion


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Status: offline 		You know, you don't even try to make an effort. If you looked at your posts before sending them you'd see all the mistakes you make.  ture being one of the easiest ones to spot. Proof reading will cut down on lot of the mistakes.

I make tons of spelling errors, and sometimes I even ch oose to spell incorrectly, like when I say an instead of and, or n instead of the whole word. so I'm not claiming perfection far from it. but a simple proof read helps a lot of mistakes.

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ORIGINAL: mrpettigrew

you are ture in not seeing generaly  people slaming others whos first language in fact is not inglish but  most often  it is a think not asked or known when the  comments are made just assumed


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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 12:27:54 PM   
Magdalene


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5) How did you learn any language at all without learning punctuation.


(Yes, I was trying to be ironic. I know these forums, though. no one will get the joke.)


Perhaps, Sir, you don't give some of us nearly enough credit.  Don't you think????

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 12:37:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		at least spell the word ENGLISH correctly....
i don’t think people are necessarily offended by poor grammar & spelling.  but it does reflect poorly on you....a wise man once said that three things can make a smart person appear stupid: Grammar, Spelling, & Pronunciation

wow that was almost a rant...


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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 12:49:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mrpettigrew

as i can not spell in english good  do not have a spell checker and  problems finding the correct words in english to express serlf to others in a style of great intrest  i am courious as to the  fact people make such a big deal over these things and show less concern about the person involved then the grammer used. I am not refuring to rudness but simple spelling  nothing more . i guress for  all here or the greater part  all who do not write the language to their standards are excluded as  fools or stupid . Comments welcome ,


I have a friend who is involved in another forum with me. English is not her first language. She struggles often with the correct words. She used to be frustrated when posting and make it a point to spell check everything she posted even within chat rooms. It became very akward for her. After awhile of doing this she felt like she was betraying who she was. So now she does not spell check unless writing essay or things of that nature. Sometimes we have to ask what she means or simply try and figure it out.
 
Does it take a little more time. Perhaps, however; I respect the fact that english is not her first language. I respect the fact that she is trying to learn it and understand and still be true to herself in her writing and responses.
 
Recently she made a post in a thread about someone using cocaine and she said cock instead of coke. To her the words sound the same, in the end every including her had a laugh about it. Did we judge her for it? No.
 
In my opinion if english is not your first language put it in your profile or perhaps a tag at the bottom of your posts stating such.
 
 I would also suggest that some will not read your posts because of it or perhaps they wont take from them what you truly wanted to convey. Sad but true.
 
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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 12:50:47 PM   
OnyxGoddess


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Status: offline 		Does the spelling and grammar really matter if the context of the sentence is understood?  We all make typos.  I especially make them when my brain is going faster than my fingers can type.  But if the general message is understood what is the big deal? - just curious

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 12:56:47 PM   
Phoenixandnika


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ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer

I R TEH DOMINATE.  U WILL NEEL 2 ME NOW SLAVBOY.  EVEN IF U R NOT SUBMISIVE.  U WILL WORSHIP M/me & SEND ME ALL UR MONEYS IN TRIBUTE. B4 WE MEET.  OTHER WISE U R NOT A REEL SLAVE.  U WILL BE KEPT NEKKID & IN CHANES 25 HRS A DAY & FLOGGID EVRY DAY.  REELY HARD.  SLAVBOYS R NOT ALLOWD 2 OWN PROPURTY SO U WILL SINE OVER UR HOUSE & CAR 2 ME.  & U WILL B COLLARED N BRANDED W A RED HOT IRON.  ON O/our 1ST MEETING.  ON YOUR FORE HEAD.  ALL OF YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US.



See my problem with this is not the grammer per say it is the use of shortcuts like R instead of are, or N instead of and,  2 instead of to, B instead of be.  To me these are simply someone being lazy and not caring.
 
I don't care what your first language is there is only 24 hours in every day though some may wish for more. That in my opinion is someone simply not looking over their profile at what they posted or simply caring what they wrote.
 
Big difference to me than simple grammar or spelling errors.
 
Blessed Be,
Nika

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 12:59:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I saw the quote and happily thought it was LROD's. But it isn't. 

Oh well,

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 1:22:37 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		Then by your argument, "dominate" (as an adjective) is also a word because people use it that way.  Really, you can't have your cake and eat it too.  You have to stick to ONE standard if you're going to dictate what's acceptable and what isn't.

Look, I cringe when people say things like "I am a dominate," but it seems a little silly to insist that you MUST say "I am a dominant."  Outside the BDSM world, people don't use "dominant" as a noun--and that brings me to the next message...

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ORIGINAL: HarryVanWinkle

This reminds me of the people who insist that the word "ain't" ain't a word.  Of course "ain't" is a word.  It's been in use for centuries and everybody knows what it means.  If that doesn't define a word, what does?

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 1:31:40 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		Not exactly.  It means that the usage is disputed.  Some people think it's OK; some people don't.  That's kinda how language works, after all.  And that's what's going on with "dominant" vs. "dominate," too.  Some people obviously think "dominate" is OK (because they say it all the time); some people don't think it's OK.  I fail to see the authority by which someone can declare that "dominant" is a noun but "dominate" isn't.  We make nouns with the "-ate" suffix all the time (e.g. "consulate," "postulate," and so on).

The definition you found, "a dominant individual in a social hierarchy," has a lot of problems, wouldn't you say?  I would have liked to see some examples just to get an idea of what they have in mind.  Have you ever heard it used?  I haven't.  We don't say things like "Vlad was the dominant of Transylvania" or "Dick Cheney has insinuated himself as the dominant of the U.S.A."  (I suspect they're thinking of dominant wolves or dominant chimpanzees.  Perhaps you could say something like "Boogieboy is the dominant in that group," where Boogieboy is an alpha wolf.)  Second, that definition still does not capture what we in the BDSM world mean by "dominant."  A dom isn't necessarily dominant in a SOCIAL hierarchy.  Most doms can't be, because there are, by the nature of hierarchy, not very many dominant individuals in a social hierarchy.

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ORIGINAL: LadiesBladewing

That being said, the fact that one dictionary -does- recognize it (and it happens to be Mirriam-Webster, which is one of the most commonly used dictionaries) means that the application must be considered valid to at least some measure.


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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 1:40:43 PM   
mnottertail


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dictionary definitions have some problems in and of themselves, as does the inferred and generally agreed meaning of words when you talk about the craft, here.

not the endless discussions of dominate dominatrix domme master sub slave pussy whipped knife play breath play..........et al.  nice once meant simpleminded......some of the words are undergoing (at least in the limited sense of specialization of the kinksters) a motile and nebulous definition.

a drill to a farmer puts grain in the ground.
a drill to an electrician bores a hole in building material.
a drill to a DI is a rote learned method of movement.
and so on..................

but this is easily fixed, this here correct grammar argument.

give me an unarguable and universally accepted definition of the color green, from any dictionary, or do it acappella if you want.

Ron     

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 3:22:52 PM   
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give me an unarguable and universally accepted definition of the color green, from any dictionary, or do it acappella if you want.


Green: The color you feel and are emotionally expressing when everyone else at the party has a hot date and you arrrive alone.

(Sorry Ron - I couldn't resist. You should have picked a different color.)

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 5:48:40 PM   
Phoenixandnika


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Status: offline 		give me an unarguable and universally accepted definition of the color green, from any dictionary, or do it acappella if you want
 
green: the color you find in a new born babies diaper
 
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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 6:51:30 PM   
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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 8:22:33 PM   
RiotGirl


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green: the color you find in a new born babies diaper


actually thats about a murkey green.. then it changes to yellow poka dot cream!

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 9:58:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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I can stumble through almost any post. Some take more work than others, and if I'm not up to putting in the work, I may just skip on to another post.


I have to agree with you here. I, too, can stumble through most posts but only do so to a point. Time is a finite commodity and having to struggle to read the thoughts and ideas of someone means that I'm wasting time which could be put to better uses.  I've also grown quite fond of my block button. If the first several ::or even few posts:: of someone are nasty, vicious or just cruel I know I don't want to waste any further time reading them. I'm here to have some fun, not to read the words of someone who spews forth venom at someone else's expense. It's not worth wading through a cesspool looking for the extraordinarily rare gem that may fall out of their keyboard.

Yup, it's all about time management. ;)

Celeste


I didn't even realise there was a block button.  Thanks Celeste.

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 10:13:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		What i said was the following:

"as i can not spell in english good  do not have a spell checker and  problems finding the correct words in english to express serlf to others in a style of great intrest  i am courious as to the  fact people make such a big deal over these things and show less concern about the person involved then the grammer used. I am not refuring to rudness but simple spelling  nothing more . i guress for  all here or the greater part  all who do not write the language to their standards are excluded as  fools or stupid . Comments welcome ",

in that i never said english was not my first language or that  i had mental problems. I am gratefull that the aspect of disabiliets in this area was brought up as it is  a fact for many   .still and all i can not spell in english good and have problems finding the correct words to express myself . This is obviousley true as  the misconceptions the original post  gave many

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 10:16:39 PM   
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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 10:21:09 PM   
HarryVanWinkle


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Then by your argument, "dominate" (as an adjective) is also a word because people use it that way.  Really, you can't have your cake and eat it too.  You have to stick to ONE standard if you're going to dictate what's acceptable and what isn't.

Look, I cringe when people say things like "I am a dominate," but it seems a little silly to insist that you MUST say "I am a dominant."  Outside the BDSM world, people don't use "dominant" as a noun--and that brings me to the next message...



I have to stick to one standard?  Why is that?  We're talking about a living language in which the standards change as fast as the fashions do on a runway.  And I never have tried to "dictate what's acceptable."

I too cringe when somebody says, "I'm a dominate."  To me, it's a sign of ignorance.  But I have never made a post or sent an email calling somebody who says that an ignorant lout.  People may say, "I'm a dominant man," or "I'm a dominant woman," simply "I'm a dominant," or "I'm Mumbo Jumbo, God of the Congo" for all I care.

Yes, maybe I do have a double standard here.  So what?  Show me a person who claims to be 100% consistant about everything and I'll show you a liar.  It bothers me not at all when somebody uses the adjective, "Dominant" or "Submissive" as a noun.  To me, worrying about that is splitting hairs.  But, when somebody claims lots of experience in this lifestyle and refers to himself as "a dominate," let me just say, that I view whatever they say with very little, umm, credulity.

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 10:33:53 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		And what's the difference?  I don't follow.  More people say "dominant."  A sizable minority says "dominate."  That's about all there is to say.

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ORIGINAL: HarryVanWinkle

It bothers me not at all when somebody uses the adjective, "Dominant" or "Submissive" as a noun.  To me, worrying about that is splitting hairs.  But, when somebody claims lots of experience in this lifestyle and refers to himself as "a dominate," let me just say, that I view whatever they say with very little, umm, credulity.

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