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RE: correct grammer - 5/11/2006 9:16:14 PM   
Wulfchyld


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I am sure I don't want to know what label me and the other 54 get for being able to read that.

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RE: correct grammer - 5/11/2006 9:18:33 PM   
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RE: correct grammer - 5/11/2006 9:24:54 PM   
MistressLove999


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Status: offline 		I didn't actually write that little thing dear, it was a copy & paste from a stupid email. I had saved  it in notepad because it was funny and (sadly )I was able to read it clearly. Don't know if it makes me a fruitloop or smart. LOL Oh well, no worries.

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RE: correct grammer - 5/11/2006 10:22:28 PM   
HarryVanWinkle


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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Having a brother who types with a stick attached to a headband, I'm the last person who will disparage someone's grammar or spelling knowing that there may be any number of reasons for improper grammar. I do get my panties twisted when someone storms into the forums proclaiming their brilliance and magna cum laude degrees in English then proceed to make errors of their own or worse, make up words which don't exist! If you are going to attack someone's grammar and/or spelling, better make sure your own are letter perfect or it will get called every time. Better yet, don't attack in the first place. ;)

Celeste


I have to agree with you about the made up words.  They absolutely infurify me.

But seriously, I also agree with the rest of your message.  Grammer and spelling mistakes only really bother me when someone touts how educated and intelligent he is.

Although one that really does bug me is profiles in which a person claims to have years of experience and training as a "Dominate."

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RE: correct grammer - 5/11/2006 10:38:49 PM   
HarryVanWinkle


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ORIGINAL: mylittlesub

As someone who must admit to having this as a pet peeve as well and someone who admires ANY one who is bilingual, I suggest that perhaps, mrpettigrew, you would be better served to begin any posts to others with a disclaimer that you do not write in English very well, and that hopefully the reader will consider this when choosing to reply.  Maybe, just maybe, that will help cull out some of the mean and nasty "ha! you can't spell" retorts that really serve no other purpose than to be hurtful.

That being said, I will certainly remember this the next time I get "u r a bosse bitch", and do my best to be courteous... *laugh*


I second this.  I'd also add, when you're sending e-mails to people here, what your first language is.  I'm guessing from your location, that it's French.  Some of the people you contact may be better in your native tongue than you are in theirs.

<<<<< Non parlez le Frog.

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RE: correct grammer - 5/11/2006 11:28:22 PM   
NeedToUseYou


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Status: offline 		Personally, I just write, and click the ok button. People actually dwell over having perfect grammaticly correct sentences. Hmmm, never even thought anyone would do that. The only time I care about perfectly structured sentences, is when it pertains to grades in school. In regards to silly forums, ahhhh, who cares. It's the content, not the form of the message.
What does typically bother me, is when I can understand exactly what someone says, and another just pokes at the errors, even though the message was obvious. It says more about the intelligence level of the person doing the jabbing, than the person that made the easily decipherable error. Function is always more important than form.

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 2:19:48 AM   
LadiesBladewing


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Status: offline 		I can stumble through almost any post. Some take more work than others, and if I'm not up to putting in the work, I may just skip on to another post. That being said, I have ONE pet peeve regarding language that just gets my goat every time.

Dominate is a VERB. You can dominate a person, but you cannot BE a dominate.

Dominant is the ADJECTIVE. You can be a dominant person.

Dominant is also the NOUN (as in higher person in a social heirarchy). So it is ok to say "I am seeking a dominant", or "I am a dominant".... but you cannot be seeking a "dominate" or say "I am a dominate" and expect to get any credence. What is -really- sad is that I've heard people in public venues make this same mistake verbally.

Oh, and for anyone who cares, unfortunately, submissive is ONLY an adjective. There is no accepted noun regarding social heirarchy, so calling oneself a submissive, even though it is done all the time, isn't correct. *shrugs* It's going to happen, and that one I have no problem living with, but the whole dominate/dominant thing could use some work.

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 3:02:20 AM   
sharainks


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Status: offline 		mrpettigrew, I would think your problem would be solved well enough by simply explaining to any new person you write that English is not your first language.  I knew a couple where the man had grown up in Germany.  His writing online was confusing to say the least.  However, in person he was very bright and very knowledgeable about the lifestyle.

Spell and grammar check is not the total answer.  English is a language that is difficult for many.  Our sentence structure is bass-ackwards of many languages.  That was a major glitch with me in learning French.  Then you have our oddities wind-wind.  The wind is blowing.  I wind my clock. 

Then you get into the lifestyle stuff and people who use phrases like "I'm a Dominate" rather than "I'm a Dominant."  If this language confuses those who use it as their primary language what can we expect from those who don't?

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 4:57:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Wulfchyld

*shakes head*

I am sure I don't want to know what label me and the other 54 get for being able to read that.


For me, the bottom line was that I looked at it, muttered "bullshit" and hit the next key.  It's the same approach I use for really badly written posts.

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 5:04:00 AM   
Wulfchyld


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Status: offline 		LMAO!!!! John, you crack me up!!!

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 5:24:19 AM   
agirl


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Status: offline 		Language is a tool and some are more proficient than others at using it. Some people will never be able to use a chisel or a paintbrush with the same skill that others can....nor have the same interest in doing so; they are content to be able to *get by and do a reasonable job*.

There are people that can use language to great effect; that can stir and move us with their words....It can be a real gift or talent to be able to express succinctly.

It took me a while to understand that an articulate person will not necessarily be able to be so in the written word, because it comes so easily to me. I used to think * Why can't they just write as they speak?*......I still don't know why the connection between expressing verbally and being able to express in the written word is so difficult for some people, but I just accept that it's so.

As for spelling and grammar,  I freely admit that I'm anal about it. NOT other people's spelling and grammar but my own. It's important to me that I use words clearly and am able to express what I intend to say clearly. It's MUCH more difficult to do so when you only have text; no body language, no facial expression and often , no knowledge of how your words will be received.

It's obviously different when the person you're typing to knows you personally......... they have a history with you that will help them determine what you're expressing.

In a public forum, I'm always aware that HOW things are expressed and written will make an impression that I may not have bargained for.

Overall, the content, in this arena, not spelling and grammar is the over-riding issue.

(Note to self ..LOL)


Regards, agirl

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 6:31:42 AM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		Look up "dominant" in a dictionary.  You'll find that it's not a noun after all (except as a musical term, which isn't what we're talking about).  The BDSM world has invented the word "dominant" as a noun.

Granted, it sounds a lot better than using "dominate" as a noun, but it doesn't make too much sense to castigate people who use "dominate" as a noun when "dominant" isn't recognized as a noun outside the BDSM world either.  (Compare your own statement: "Oh, and for anyone who cares, unfortunately, submissive is ONLY an adjective. There is no accepted noun regarding social heirarchy, so calling oneself a submissive, even though it is done all the time, isn't correct."  If what you're saying is true of "submissive," it's true of "dominant" as well.)

Also, it's spelled "hierarchy," not "heirarchy."

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ORIGINAL: LadiesBladewing

Dominant is also the NOUN (as in higher person in a social heirarchy). So it is ok to say "I am seeking a dominant", or "I am a dominant".... but you cannot be seeking a "dominate" or say "I am a dominate" and expect to get any credence. What is -really- sad is that I've heard people in public venues make this same mistake verbally.


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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 7:54:32 AM   
LadiesBladewing


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Status: offline 		Actually, Lordandmaster, I'll have to correct you on this one, -with- the reference:

Main Entry: 2 dominant
Function: noun
1 : a dominant genetic character or factor
2 : a dominant individual in a social hierarchy


Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

That said, I will apologize for my spelling error. I'm afraid that, being mildly dyslexic and it being such an unearthly hour of the morning contributed to my slipping the "e" before the "i".

Lady Zephyr

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Look up "dominant" in a dictionary.  You'll find that it's not a noun after all (except as a musical term, which isn't what we're talking about).  The BDSM world has invented the word "dominant" as a noun.



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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 8:02:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just looked it up too and, yes, it does show a noun.  I believe the word "dominant" is one of those that has evolved into whatever it is now because of common usage.  Like one of my most hated words, "Utilize".  The word is use, not utilitze.  Or the word "network" that is now a verb.  I simply refuse to accept that.  To me, if dominant is a noun, based on common usage, then so is submissive.

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 8:15:38 AM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		The definition "a dominant individual in a social hierarchy" isn't in OED.

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 9:22:36 AM   
HarryVanWinkle


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

The definition "a dominant individual in a social hierarchy" isn't in OED.


The OED isn't the only dictionary in the English speaking world.  Furthermore, the OED, and all other dictionaries are constantly playing "catch-up" in an attempt to keep up with the neoligisms and constant changes in usage which are the hallmarks of a vibrant, living language.  And no language on earth is more vibrant and alive than ours.

Add to this the fact that there is a lively sub-culture throughout the world (that would be us, folks) for whom the word "Dominant" is, in fact, a noun, and what you have is a new noun.

This reminds me of the people who insist that the word "ain't" ain't a word.  Of course "ain't" is a word.  It's been in use for centuries and everybody knows what it means.  If that doesn't define a word, what does?

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 9:28:22 AM   
RiotGirl


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AAAAAHHHHHHHHH the grammer nazis are out.. hopefully the thread she created did not instigate this unfortunate occurance

oooooooo miss spelling of instigate and occurance prolly.  Laziness sucks doesnt it especially since she is forcing you all into her kink of butchering the english.. <sigh>


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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 10:42:10 AM   
LadiesBladewing


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

The definition "a dominant individual in a social hierarchy" isn't in OED.


This is true, Lordandmaster. Most dictionaries do not yet recognize "dominant" as a noun, except when referring to a dominant allele, in which case it may be referred to as "the dominant", paired with "the recessive".

That being said, the fact that one dictionary -does- recognize it (and it happens to be Mirriam-Webster, which is one of the most commonly used dictionaries) means that the application must be considered valid to at least some measure.

I don't use it myself, preferring other terminology, but using dominant as a noun is not completely off kilter (while using "submissive" as a noun has, as far as I've been able to research, -no- validation in grammatical circles.)

LZ

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 10:44:54 AM   
Stunning


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Status: offline 		1) It's grammar.

2) It shows that you care enough to educate yourself. I could never be with an uneducated woman. Self-education is wonderful; she doesn't need a degree. I have 4 of my own.

3) www.webster.com

4) As someone previously posted, write your posts in Word first. From the few posts of yours I read, a lot of what you say is undecipherable. People won't know what the hell you want them to understand.

5) How did you learn any language at all without learning punctuation.


(Yes, I was trying to be ironic. I know these forums, though. no one will get the joke.)

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RE: correct grammer - 5/12/2006 10:54:23 AM   
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I can stumble through almost any post. Some take more work than others, and if I'm not up to putting in the work, I may just skip on to another post.


I have to agree with you here. I, too, can stumble through most posts but only do so to a point. Time is a finite commodity and having to struggle to read the thoughts and ideas of someone means that I'm wasting time which could be put to better uses.  I've also grown quite fond of my block button. If the first several ::or even few posts:: of someone are nasty, vicious or just cruel I know I don't want to waste any further time reading them. I'm here to have some fun, not to read the words of someone who spews forth venom at someone else's expense. It's not worth wading through a cesspool looking for the extraordinarily rare gem that may fall out of their keyboard.

Yup, it's all about time management. ;)

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