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Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It!


Let Everyone stay, enforce immigration laws going forward.
  4% (3)
Pass The Dream Act, they can petition for siblings like everyone else
  6% (4)
Pay for any services used, no crime hx, stay.
  6% (4)
Let anyone here for 5+ years, who passes basic English test stay.
  8% (5)
For a fee, everyone >2 yrs in the US, W/out, Crime record, stays.
  9% (6)
Send anyone here illegally back, to wherever they came from.
  39% (24)
Send anyone without basic English skills, <70yo back.
  6% (4)
If they can speak basic English, pay a modest fee, stay.
  3% (2)
Pay what they've collected from welfare, while illegal, stay.
  3% (2)
Fine employers of Illegals, Use money to deport illegals
  11% (7)


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(last vote on : 6/7/2011 3:29:35 AM)
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Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/10/2011 9:57:24 PM   
SexyBossyBBW


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Status: offline 		I don't know what the answer is, to immigration Reform. I have mixed feelings about it myself. What to do? I understand the Republican, and the Democratic sides of the argument, when they come genuine, without hints of racism.

What say you? What would be your solution, to the immigration reform, and illegal immigrants already in the US.
I do think that anyone born, or raised in the US before the age of 10, ought to be given the chance to pay certain fees (living and attending school, without paying taxes, or being a citizen ), and stay.

I have a feeling that, the president doesn't speak openly on this subject, because he really is, ambivalent about any single answer to this question. Humane people wish for all to have the opportunity, for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The practical man, probably knows, that the things have never been the same, and will probably not be in his lifetime.

Especially given that socialism, is a four letter word in this country. One of my cousins, visiting from Switzrland, sayd, that the country expulses a family, for 5 years, if an offspring does something criminal, while the couple are visiting, or working in the country. I thought it was an interesting idea... Problematic for the family, but it made me wonder. M

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/10/2011 10:12:49 PM   
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Let everyone who can pass a basic skills test stay, they pay a modest fee, provided they have no criminal record here or in their home country.

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/10/2011 10:25:59 PM   
SexyBossyBBW


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Status: offline 		I tried for #5 option to cover it.

I'm sure, I cannot come up with all of the options desired. M

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/10/2011 10:26:58 PM   
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I think most are of the same opinion I am.

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/10/2011 10:59:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd like to see, because I'm a conservative democrat, which I'm told, doesn't make sense. M

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/10/2011 11:03:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW

I'd like to see, because I'm a conservative democrat, which I'm told, doesn't make sense. M

Who told you that?

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/10/2011 11:16:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some coworkers. Apparently having average smarts, and having a heart/conscience, are mutually exclusive. M

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/10/2011 11:39:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I like that... a conservative democrat.

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/11/2011 3:45:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl



I think most are of the same opinion I am.


Obviously not.
Send anyone here illegally back, to wherever they came from.   100% (5)

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/11/2011 4:18:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW

I'd like to see, because I'm a conservative democrat, which I'm told, doesn't make sense. M

The middle makes more sense than any other end of the spectrum.


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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/11/2011 3:48:24 PM   
SexyBossyBBW


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Status: offline 		Thank you SilverMark.

I suppose I was being too optimistic, or naive, to think most people would be brave enough to touch this very sensitive subject. M

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/11/2011 3:50:21 PM   
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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/11/2011 7:21:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bottom line, they broke the law.  Send them back or come up with some realllllllllly stiff penalties and ship them off to the Aleutian Islands - No guards needed to live until their sentence is up.

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/11/2011 7:25:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW

Thank you SilverMark.

I suppose I was being too optimistic, or naive, to think most people would be brave enough to touch this very sensitive subject. M



Hello M, nice poll.
I think you might not have been posting when I started several immigration related threads.

You are correct that this is a "sensitive subject", that is why you don't have that many responses.

On Collarme, if you state that you have "concerns" or have any opinion that does not support illegal immigration, and gosh forbid might not protect or promote illegal immigration, illegal immigrants, the number of illegal immigrants in this country, any real crack down on growing illegal immigration, protecting our borders, or anything similar, you are often called: a racist, bigot, anti-hispanic, mean-spirited, and even a gosh forbid a REPUBLICAN !!!

I have learned to say as little as possible on the subject of "illegal immigration" on collarme, it's just not worth it for me.
Any meaningful conversation gets lost in the sea of name-calling and cheap shots at most that dare to have a different opinion on the "situation".
Take care, M.


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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/11/2011 7:28:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SexyBossyBBW

I'd like to see, because I'm a conservative democrat, which I'm told, doesn't make sense. M


Conservative democrat are ya? I am a Liberal Moderate, so everyone doesn't fit into a neat little box.

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/11/2011 8:55:48 PM   
tazzygirl


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You know I will post on just about anything... especially if its controversial. Say all you want and screw those who dont like it.

Freedom of speech. I may not like your ideas, but I do support your right to voice them.

Then again, I find little we dont agree upon

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/11/2011 9:03:21 PM   
Marini


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Now Marini

You know I will post on just about anything... especially if its controversial. Say all you want and screw those who dont like it.

Freedom of speech. I may not like your ideas, but I do support your right to voice them.

Then again, I find little we dont agree upon


lol, tazzy

YOU are not part of the "herd" I was talking about!!
Many around here rather insult and name-call, than actually consider solutions, find common ground and/or debate, and you know that!


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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/11/2011 9:18:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Yeah. Everyone's scared. That's it.
Speak up, if you've got something to say. I'll try and pretend to care, okay?!

quote:

Marini
Hello M, nice poll.
I think you might not have been posting when I started several immigration related threads.

You are correct that this is a "sensitive subject", that is why you don't have that many responses.
Thank you Marini, for expressing concerns. I don't recall reading that thread of yours. As you know, I step away, when life needs, and stay away from P&R when I start to care enough to be annoyed.

I asked because I don't even pretend to know the right answer to this dilema.
I have an "we are the world" side, and an "we are the USA," side, and should care about us first.

Thanks KenDckey, subrob1967 for contributing, and Tazzy for being you, and speaking up as you feel. M

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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/11/2011 9:26:28 PM   
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YOU are not part of the "herd" I was talking about!!
Many around here rather insult and name-call, than actually consider solutions, find common ground and/or debate, and you know that!


Whew. Hate to think how annoying I would be to the man if I had to work on my cattle noises.

But, yeah, I do know what you mean. I learned how to mix it up with most of them. Some I respect too much to do that with. Others... eh... they dont register on my radar enough to slip into the mud with.

Wanna pudding wrestle?


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RE: Immigration Reform! Let's Poll It! - 5/11/2011 9:29:21 PM   
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asked because I don't even pretend to know the right answer to this dilema.
I have an "we are the world" side, and an "we are the USA," side, and should care about us first.


Sexy, im in the same boat. While illegal immigration is just that in my eyes, I cant help but feel for some who have been here illegally for years, yet never once been in any trouble, have probably been the victims of crimes themselves, have worked hard and paid the taxes they were supposed too.... and we are just supposed to turn our backs on them while our own citizens dont even do that much?

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Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
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If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

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