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ORIGINAL: tazzygirlLook at what you wrote... vote fraud.

From Factcheck.org

Neither ACORN nor its employees have been found guilty of, or even charged with, casting fraudulent votes. What a McCain-Palin Web ad calls "voter fraud" is actually voter registration fraud. Several ACORN canvassers have been found guilty of faking registration forms and others are being investigated. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn’t do, not to stuff ballot boxes.

There is a difference.

Actually, tazzygirl, it's a distinction, not a difference.  When an organization and it's members sets out to load up the voter registration rolls with fraudulent/non-existent people, they are doing so with the intent of casting fraudulent votes.  Because they haven't been caught stuffing the box yet, doesn't mean they're not doing it, and at a minimum they are creating circumstances where it is possible/easy to do so. In the process, they are undermining the entire election.

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ORIGINAL: Brain

Talk about desperate tactics, well, the law and rules are for everybody and they can’t ram this law through like this. This is not democratic and probably illegal. I like how the guy didn't want any cameras or the media to see what happened.



YouTube - Wisconsin Passes "Voter Suppression Bill"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiYz8HL5Bww&feature=feedu

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

you cant vote if youre not a citizen.

I've often wondered if I tried to vote, if anyone would pick up on my status as a non-citizen. After all, when I first moved to Hawai`i, I was sent a jury summons notice in the mail. It happened again shortly after I moved to a different island. If I'd had the time, I would have gone just to see how far into the system I would have gotten.

Psst...willbeurdaddy...apostrophes are your friends. *nods*

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

well no they shouldnt.

the one to be removed is that supreme court judge that ruled against the very constitution he is sworn to protect on the 4th amendment rights.

Ken is right that there is no voter registration fraud in wisconsin because there is literally no laws on voter registration.

people can go in under any number of names and vote any number of times.

people from california can be bussed in and stay 10 days and vote.

exchange students can vote.

the problem is that the voting system united states wide is a fraud.

the worst case all the sttes use residence which is bullshit.

you need to have a VALIDATED CITIZEN ID to show you are a citizen of the state you intend to vote in so even this bill is bullshit and they yet pulled a fast one on you.

then even talk radio forgets to talk about the electronic voting machines that takes 10 seconds to hack.

they never get to the core of these and other issues and that insures that fraud thrives.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirlLook at what you wrote... vote fraud.

From Factcheck.org

Neither ACORN nor its employees have been found guilty of, or even charged with, casting fraudulent votes. What a McCain-Palin Web ad calls "voter fraud" is actually voter registration fraud. Several ACORN canvassers have been found guilty of faking registration forms and others are being investigated. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn’t do, not to stuff ballot boxes.

There is a difference.

Actually, tazzygirl, it's a distinction, not a difference.  When an organization and it's members sets out to load up the voter registration rolls with fraudulent/non-existent people, they are doing so with the intent of casting fraudulent votes.  Because they haven't been caught stuffing the box yet, doesn't mean they're not doing it, and at a minimum they are creating circumstances where it is possible/easy to do so. In the process, they are undermining the entire election.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: TheCabal

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirlLook at what you wrote... vote fraud.

From Factcheck.org

Neither ACORN nor its employees have been found guilty of, or even charged with, casting fraudulent votes. What a McCain-Palin Web ad calls "voter fraud" is actually voter registration fraud. Several ACORN canvassers have been found guilty of faking registration forms and others are being investigated. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn’t do, not to stuff ballot boxes.

There is a difference.

Actually, tazzygirl, it's a distinction, not a difference.  When an organization and it's members sets out to load up the voter registration rolls with fraudulent/non-existent people, they are doing so with the intent of casting fraudulent votes.  Because they haven't been caught stuffing the box yet, doesn't mean they're not doing it, and at a minimum they are creating circumstances where it is possible/easy to do so. In the process, they are undermining the entire election.

How can nonexistent people vote?

Vote fraud is in the actual casting of the vote.

Now, if you wish to try and extrapolate that these people who filed fraudulent forms to boost their paychecks were going to actually have people turn up to vote... then you are reaching far more than reality allows me to consider.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
No. The evidence is overwhelming that fraudulent voter registration is about getting paid for the registration. People have tried very hard to find a single case where a fraudulent ACORN registration actually voted and none have been found.

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If the voter registration says I.P. Freely, and I.P. Freely doesn't exist, yet someone walks into a polling place and says "I'm I.P. Freely, and I'm here to vote," and the poll worker hands that person a ballot and she goes and votes, then the non-existent person, I.P. Freely, has registered a vote. 

So you're not able to consider the possibility that ACORN has stuffed the voter registration rolls in order to stuff ballot boxes?  That's REALLY beyond your comprehension? 

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Under a secret ballot system, where it is impossible to match up a ballot with an individual voter, it would be very hard to figure out whether or not a fraudulent ACORN registration actually voted, now wouldn't it?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
No. The evidence is overwhelming that fraudulent voter registration is about getting paid for the registration. People have tried very hard to find a single case where a fraudulent ACORN registration actually voted and none have been found.

Under a secret ballot system, where it is impossible to match up a ballot with an individual voter, it would be very hard to figure out whether or not a fraudulent ACORN registration actually voted, now wouldn't it?

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ORIGINAL: joether
Since I turned 18, I've voted in EVERY state and federal election that has come to past. I've even voted for most local elections. The number of times I had to show my ID to vote: Zero. Is it because of my age? Education? Color of Skin? Height? Weight? Religion? Sex? And what is the difference between folks in Wisconsin and myself in Massachusetts? We vote for the same collection of Presidents, two Senators and a handful of Representatives every so often. Why should someone be forced to show their ID?

I'm surprised some of the more....conservative....folks want tighter regulations, rules, and inspectors. Worried that voter fraud is on the rise? Making a rule that someone has to show their ID, to prove they are who they state they are? What ever happened to that 'protection against illegal search and seizure'? I guess for conservatives, only the 2nd and 10th Amendment really matter to them in the Bill of Rights...

If someone accused me of not being who I state I am, who has the burden of evidence to show? Certainly not me, but rather the accuser. Isn't a citizen considered innocent, until proven guilty? Or is it the other way around? And when the idiot shows some mindless bit of information that is completely inaccurate and wrong, THEN, I'll show my ID. That should settle it with the law. Now the question is.....shouldn't I be allowed to hold my accuser to some level of accountibility? And if so, what would be considered fair and reasonable? Otherwise, each person would simply start accusing everyone else with totally blatant crap, slowing down the voting process to a near stand still.

Last I checked, the 4th Amendment trumps state law requiring someone to show their ID. I thought that was a 'platform' ideal of conservatives: less intrusive goverment?

Bullshit... Asking a registered voter for identification does not violate unreasonable search and seizures laws, and maybe Massivetwoshits doesn't care who votes, but I've lived in nine cities in four different states, including Chicago Illinois, and have been asked to provide a picture ID in each and every one of them in order to vote.

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Maybe you just have an aura of distrust and bad karma that hangs over you? And that is the reason people ask for your ID. But I'm not making up the fact that I've never had to show my ID, because I am whom I state I am. If someone disagrees, its up to them to show the burden of evidence. Yes, I could just show my ID, but then, that would be giving in to goverment oppression. Last I checked, your often against the goverment oppressing Americans in....ANY....form.

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Updated May 19, 2011
First-Time Voters
The federal Help America Vote Act mandates that all states require identification from first-time voters who registered to vote by mail and did not provide verification of their identification with their mail-in voter registration.

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Blanket Voter ID
Twenty-eight states have broader voter identification requirements than what HAVA mandates (note, however that the newly passed requirements in Oklahoma and Kansas do not take effect until July 1, 2011 and January 1, 2012, respectively). In these states, all voters are asked to show identification prior to voting. Ten of these states specify that voters must show a photo ID (note that requirements are not yet in effect in two of the ten, however; see the notes below Table 1); the other eighteen states accept additional forms of identification that do not necessarily include a photo (Table 1). In no state is a voter who cannot produce identification turned away from the polls—all states have some sort of recourse for voters without identification to cast a vote. However, in Georgia and Indiana, voters without ID vote a provisional ballot, and must return to election officials within a few days and show a photo ID in order for their ballots to be counted. For specifics on what forms of identification are acceptable and the options available to voters who cannot present identification, see Table 2.

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ORIGINAL: No. While the votes cast are secret every polling place does track who voted, it is a simple check to prevent people from voting multiple times. If a fraudulent ACORN registration had ever voted we'd know about it. Breitbart, O'Keefe and the rest of the right wing scum would trumpet it continuously.

You are welcome to waste your time trying to find any such occurence but I've done the research and there has been no such cases.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
And since you are all knowing, exactly how many states, and include which ones, allow a voter to show up, simply state their name and vote?

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The Ed Show...another fucking liar, on just about every topic. "Voter Suppression" lmao....if you dont have a fucking ID you cant drive, you cant work, you cant have a bank account, you cant get welfare.

If IDs are required you cant vote twice, you cant vote if youre dead, you cant vote if youre not a citizen.

If youve got a problem with IDs for voting, move to a country where the elections are determined ahead of time.

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ORIGINAL: joether
When you demand ID, you are asking that person to surrender their privacy. Why not just go a step further, and record HOW the person voted. We wouldn't want two William H. Brewsters the III, voting for Obama in the next election, right? But, if two people vote for (Insert GOP loser Nomination here), then its 'ok' in your book. Yes, you'll come back and state you'll want things to be fair; but come on subrob1967.....you could be anything but never fair when the subject matter is 'President Obama'.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

The Ed Show...another fucking liar, on just about every topic. "Voter Suppression" lmao....if you dont have a fucking ID you cant drive, you cant work, you cant have a bank account, you cant get welfare.

If IDs are required you cant vote twice, you cant vote if youre dead, you cant vote if youre not a citizen.

If youve got a problem with IDs for voting, move to a country where the elections are determined ahead of time.

I'll second that!

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

Brain,

You do understand that in many states you can be detained and/or arrested for not being able to provide id?  There is no good reason to not have one.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

The Ed Show...another fucking liar, on just about every topic. "Voter Suppression" lmao....if you dont have a fucking ID you cant drive, you cant work, you cant have a bank account, you cant get welfare.

If IDs are required you cant vote twice, you cant vote if youre dead, you cant vote if youre not a citizen.

If youve got a problem with IDs for voting, move to a country where the elections are determined ahead of time.

Can you present any evidence of vote fraud occuring in Wisconsin?

WTF does that have to do with anything? Proper procedures shouldnt be followed to protect against fraud in the future? Not requiring IDs is such an idiotic position that anyone who supports it shouldnt be allowed to vote themselves, ID or not.

I thought you were opposed to increased government regulation? The fact is that Wisconsin's voting procedure have worked quite well for decades. Making voting harder without good reason used to be antithetical to conservatives.