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BonesFromAsh -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/3/2011 4:22:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Focus50



But bein' as how the CM site's main theme isn't anything to do with Politics or Religion, I'll stand by my comment on the 'Ask a Mistress' Forum in general.

Focus.



Taken from the Forum Guidelines ...

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The primary intention of this board is to provide a forum for discussion and the exchange of ideas. Considering the natural diversity of opinion and expression, it is expected that disagreements will often occur. While debate is fine, postings of the sort generally known as "flames" is not. Participants are not expected to coddle one another, but they are expected to keep things within the realm of maturity.


As I'm given to understand the above quote, "discussion and the exchange of ideas" isn't limited to only topics related to bdsm. If that were the case, why include forums like P&R, Off Topic and others that may or may not directly relate to bdsm?

ETA....I guess my point being, you see what you want to see and you read what you want to read.




Focus50 -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/3/2011 4:22:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Oh yes, we hail your bravery, have your medal to come here and ask women a question but then reject all the answers they give you because they don't fit into your agenda. We definitely need a man to tell us how we feel about things... Feel better now? Oh yes we are so abrasive, why don't we just bow down to your superior knowledge of what feels how to us... Not that we could decide for ourselves...


Yep; figured that first choice was beyond you....

For the record, I didn't reject *any* of the answers I was given - beyond that so few of you were secure enough in yourselves to answer what I asked. Mostly, the rest left me feeling like a lone Indian on a hill, watching all of you circle your wagons. Twas rather amusing to behold....

All those "we's"; are you sure you're the recognised spokesperson for all the women in here? 'Cause I find that very hard to believe!

Focus.




Focus50 -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/3/2011 4:31:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BonesFromAsh

quote:


The primary intention of this board is to provide a forum for discussion and the exchange of ideas. Considering the natural diversity of opinion and expression, it is expected that disagreements will often occur. While debate is fine, postings of the sort generally known as "flames" is not. Participants are not expected to coddle one another, but they are expected to keep things within the realm of maturity.


As I'm given to understand the above quote, "discussion and the exchange of ideas" isn't limited to only topics related to bdsm. If that were the case, why include forums like P&R, Off Topic and others that may or may not directly relate to bdsm?

ETA....I guess my point being, you see what you want to see and you read what you want to read.


As one who's never given any credence to a "glass is 1/10 empty" perspective, we'll just have to disagree as to why we think the vast majority of people access CM.

Focus.




LadyPact -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/3/2011 5:01:26 AM)

So, now because some of the women here prefer to keep certain intimate details of their sex life private, rather than posting them on a public forum, it's due to a lack of security?  Puhlease!  The juvenile crap of calling people chicken for not wanting to give you a play by play on how we have sex is just beyond silly.  I'm almost waiting for your next reply to be some version of 'double dog dare you' or another ridiculous tactic.

Maybe, just maybe, not every woman is going to respond to this type of question because they don't see the point in replying to a question of such an intimate nature when asked by someone they have no connection with.  I wouldn't answer this question from a casual acquaintance in real life, so I'm not terribly inclined to answer it here.




MissAsylum -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/3/2011 9:39:44 AM)

YOU ARE KIDDING ME.

I openly admitted to what I did and how i did it. The fact that i'm (or any of the other ladies) aren't going to go into gory details, such as throat fucking your submissive, doesn't mean your question wasn't answered.

in short plain English without any stipulations: No, we ("we" being the women who have posted on this thread) ladies DO NOT feel we are compromising our dominance by being in the bent over doggy style position.

Are you happy now?

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ORIGINAL: Focus50


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Oh yes, we hail your bravery, have your medal to come here and ask women a question but then reject all the answers they give you because they don't fit into your agenda. We definitely need a man to tell us how we feel about things... Feel better now? Oh yes we are so abrasive, why don't we just bow down to your superior knowledge of what feels how to us... Not that we could decide for ourselves...


Yep; figured that first choice was beyond you....

For the record, I didn't reject *any* of the answers I was given - beyond that so few of you were secure enough in yourselves to answer what I asked. Mostly, the rest left me feeling like a lone Indian on a hill, watching all of you circle your wagons. Twas rather amusing to behold....

All those "we's"; are you sure you're the recognised spokesperson for all the women in here? 'Cause I find that very hard to believe!

Focus.






VaguelyCurious -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/3/2011 3:11:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Focus50

If you wanna "keep certain intimate details" private and especially not "post them on a public forum", then DON'T. [/font][/size][/color]

If that's truly what you think then you don't get to call people 'insecure' for choosing to do just that.

Consistency, Focus. Try and have some.




cloudboy -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/3/2011 9:29:06 PM)


This seems like the flip side of the old question, "Can maledoms go down on a woman."

If anyone here is watching Game of Thrones on HBO, its a pivotal moment in the plot when Daenerys gets Khal Drogo out of the doggie style mindset.




BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/4/2011 6:03:37 AM)

Lets face it,women are women all over the world .both dom nd sub women like their sex however it brings pleasure to them,I have been married to 2 dommes and both loved doggie style when love making,its what ever triggers their switch.just the views of this ol' master..Bounty




DianeB269 -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/4/2011 6:31:24 AM)

@Focus50

I love doggie style giving and receiving....

8 pages of crap WTF!!!! LOL!!![sm=popcorn.gif][sm=popcorn.gif] Get a life...




ElanSubdued -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/4/2011 2:11:01 PM)

Peon,

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PeonForHer to LadyConstanze:
I don't think I could go for that *entirely*, Lady C.  As I said earlier, I'm struggling to see how, for instance, my mounting a woman's face and jizzing on it could still allow her to feel it to be a dominant act on her part and a submissive one on mine.  But, hey, I guess anything's possible deep in there in the psyche.


Has nothing to do with "deep in there in the psyche".  I've had domme partners who wanted to be used hard - face fucking, biting, mounting various body parts and (as you noted) "jizzing" on them, (fill in requisite "rider her like a Bitch in heat" euphemism here).  The point is... they asked for and got what they wanted because that's what felt good to them.  It's as simple as that.

Elan.




PeonForHer -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/4/2011 2:59:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued

Peon,

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PeonForHer to LadyConstanze:
I don't think I could go for that *entirely*, Lady C.  As I said earlier, I'm struggling to see how, for instance, my mounting a woman's face and jizzing on it could still allow her to feel it to be a dominant act on her part and a submissive one on mine.  But, hey, I guess anything's possible deep in there in the psyche.


Has nothing to do with "deep in there in the psyche".  I've had domme partners who wanted to be used hard - face fucking, biting, mounting various body parts and (as you noted) "jizzing" on them, (fill in requisite "rider her like a Bitch in heat" euphemism here).  The point is... they asked for and got what they wanted because that's what felt good to them.  It's as simple as that.

Elan.



No worries, Elan whenever I come up with a point like this, LadyNTrainer generally puts me straight if no-one else does. [;)]




ElanSubdued -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/4/2011 3:50:14 PM)

Focus50,

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Focus50 to HeatherMcLeather:
The only contradiction (if any) is a matter of Dom vs Domme control perspective.  As that Domme said, she controls through the knowledge she can stop anytime she chooses.  But the same sex act in my D/s (and probably every male Dom's D/s), the fem/sub doesn't get to choose.


Your submissive is continuously choosing.  She chooses to be with you.  She chooses to allow you to do the things you do to her.  She presumably appreciates who you are and trusts your personage.  These choices are ongoing and not, as some BDSM psychology purports, one-time choices.

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Focus50 to LadyConstanze:
I mean, the male sub servicing his Domme doggy-style has exactly the same choice to quit prematurely.  And, I've yet to meet a sub who was content making choices.


I'm a male submissive and I make choices all the time.  This is part of what I bring to myself and to my partner.  In the context of D/s, even during play, I make many choices dynamically and organically.  Just to be topical, I especially appreciate the view and variety of mutual pleasure options from the "doggie-style" position so I might do things to entice my domme's desire this way - that is... given that I know she enjoys this.  Is she aware I'm flirting to push her "yes, I need that NOW" buttons?  Maybe.  Maybe not.  I don't really care whether she's cognisant or not, though it's likely, if we know each other well, that we each know what pushes specific sexual buttons in the other.  What I'm mostly focused on is supporting my partner's dominance and on helping us enjoy each other.  To do this, I frequently make choices in reaction to my domme and to initiate discussions/activities with my domme.

Let's bring this back to you and the partner you described.  She "likes it rough" and, by the sounds of what you described, also likes being objectified.  You sometimes like using your partner sexually as "available meat", with no eye contact and no verbal softness - just bend her over doggie-style, stick it in, and go.  On the surface, it may appear this is a one-sided transaction.  But anyone experienced with D/s (which I know you are) knows this is a complex interaction in which both partners are communicating, meeting each other's needs, and getting their own needs met.

In my own version of this, my headspace is likely different than yours and my domme's headspace may be different than yours too.  But, the result is the same.  My domme and I are communicating, meeting each other's needs, and getting our own needs met.  So yes, with a domme who enjoys it, doggie-style is most definitely on the menu and my partner usually makes sure I know this because she is, after all, dominant. :-)

Elan.




ElanSubdued -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/4/2011 4:28:15 PM)

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PeonForHer:
No worries, Elan whenever I come up with a point like this, LadyNTrainer generally puts me straight if no-one else does. [;)]


*tag teams with LadyNTrainer*

'Cause I'm helpful like that. :-)




Focus50 -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/4/2011 4:51:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued

Your submissive is continuously choosing.  She chooses to be with you.  She chooses to allow you to do the things you do to her.  She presumably appreciates who you are and trusts your personage.  These choices are ongoing and not, as some BDSM psychology purports, one-time choices.


Well yeah, but I'm not going to get bogged down with what I called "newbie dynamics" in response to LadyConstanze, when she virtually tried to reinvent the D/s wheel on "choices". Me, if I'm having sex with my sub, we're in a committed relationship rather than being some Dom and sub who just met. That means we've worked through most of the basic personal and D/s relationship framework about limits, likes and dislikes etc.

So she really only has a choice to leave; to end the relationship. There are many other things she won't be in a position of having to choose because I won't put her there - because we've taken the time to build a mutually fulfilling relationship.

So no, she doesn't make ongoing choices per se'; that if I wanna bend her over for doggie sex, for example, her "permission" is always implied virtue of her choosing to be in a greater D/s relationship with me. I'm no bush lawyer; I don't try and trap her with her own words. If she or we are having problems, we default to equal adults and work it out.



quote:

Just to be topical, I especially appreciate the view and variety of mutual pleasure options from the "doggie-style" position so I might do things to entice my domme's desire this way - that is... given that I know she enjoys this.  Is she aware I'm flirting to push her "yes, I need that NOW" buttons?  Maybe.  Maybe not.  I don't really care whether she's cognisant or not, though it's likely, if we know each other well, that we each know what pushes specific sexual buttons in the other.  What I'm mostly focused on is supporting my partner's dominance and on helping us enjoy each other.  To do this, I frequently make choices in reaction to my domme and to initiate discussions/activities with my domme.

You're a brave man in responding to *this* topic. All the detractors wanna believe I'm only asking about troll-feeding doggie-sex when I'm more interested in the power dynamics of a particularly primal sexual act.

Celeste (DesFip) gave her fem/sub's perspective, which was pretty much complementing of my own male/dom experience and that the male is in the physically dominant position over the female anyway, regardless of D/s lifestyle dynamics. All I ever wanted to know was how Dommes overcame that physically disadvantaged position. LadynTrainer was particularly insightful and (given what's ultimately unfolded) while I can understand how the average male/sub has been reluctant to post what would be a similar perspective, it is interesting that you don't see a (physical) power position at all and focus on what pleases your overall dominant partner.



quote:

In my own version of this, my headspace is likely different than yours and my domme's headspace may be different than yours too.  But, the result is the same.  My domme and I are communicating, meeting each other's needs, and getting our own needs met. 

If you recognise that in a primal and physical sense, the male is in a dominant position, then yes, your male/sub and complementing Domme's headspace would be very different to mine and that of my fem/sub's. I think the result is the same sexually but not the power dynamics that controlled the act.

Thankyou,

Focus.




Arpig -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/4/2011 5:07:58 PM)

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I'm wondering if you get from a male perspective that being above and behind; of gripping the female etc is powerful and (non-lifestyle) dominant in its own right...? It's primal and animal etc
Bullshit! I am getting so damned tired of these antipodal neandertals claiming to speak for all men. There is NOTHING powerful or dominant about doggy style in and of itself from any perspective. It is for YOU. There is no such thing as a "male perspective". There are various perspectives held by various males, but that's all there is. Stop posting this crap as if it was a universal.

So doggy is your favourite position, it makes you feel all big and strong and manly and domly. Good for you. It doesn't for me. Don't get me wrong, doggy is fun and all, but I'd prefer to lay on my back and have her do all the work. That's it...lay back and relax while she's bouncing her ass on my cock...Hell Yeah! That's the position that makes me feel domly and powerful. Why? Because it has nothing to do with physical strength, it has everything to do with getting inside her head...her doing what I want because she wants to please me, not because I can throw her down and take her. Dominating through physical strength is to my mind a sure sign of a lack of imagination.

See how its different for everybody?




Arpig -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/4/2011 5:16:57 PM)

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If you recognise that in a primal and physical sense, the male is in a dominant position,
Crap, crap, crap, crap and more utter unadulterated crap.

Why is it that you simply cannot grasp the simplest of concepts...it's all in YOUR head. The dominant position to you may be the submissive position to another.

I am so fed up with the idea that there are dominant or submissive acts. There isn't. If we're doing it because I want to...it's dominant for me and submissive for her. If we're doing it because she wants to, it's submissive for me and dominant for her. It's that damned simple.




LadyNTrainer -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/4/2011 5:33:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued
Has nothing to do with "deep in there in the psyche".  I've had domme partners who wanted to be used hard - face fucking, biting, mounting various body parts and (as you noted) "jizzing" on them, (fill in requisite "rider her like a Bitch in heat" euphemism here).  The point is... they asked for and got what they wanted because that's what felt good to them.  It's as simple as that.


I like vigorous stud service, but it doesn't feel like being "used" to me.  It feels like I am taking a pleasure or enjoying a service that I have ordered or demanded of him.  It is proof of how excited I make him and how much he wants me.  I'm using him, not the other way around.

Sure, he can be pretty vigorous and studly, and he might do a lot of hard banging.  So does a jackhammer, if that's the tool I decide to pick up and use.  Regardless, there is never any question about who's doing the using and who is the tool being used. 




Politesub53 -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/4/2011 5:46:26 PM)

I just think all you lovely ladies should get on all fours, and take it like a man......... err so to speak. [8D]




SorceressJ -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/4/2011 5:48:17 PM)

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Politesub53 -> RE: Dommes and Doggy-style. (6/4/2011 5:51:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SorceressJ

[8|]


English humour....... and its all free.... It was a play on words and all that. [;)]




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