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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 7:00:20 AM   
LafayetteLady


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ORIGINAL: Twoshoes


You know, I think this has something to do with being introverted, because it happens to me too. I get underestimated all the time by people who don't know me that well. But new acquaintances invariably decide I'm really smart (probably because I'm male).



I do agree that introverts probably get a raw deal on the intelligence perception. I dated a man for a very long time who was extremely introverted (I am extremely extroverted, interesting combination we were). He was so introverted in high school, he took a "F" in a class rather than have to get up and speak in front of everyone. Knowing how he was, I understood why he did it, but it was something I could not fathom doing, having done public speaking since the age of 13 without any shyness at all. But he was by no means unintelligent.

I think people find introverts a little more difficult to approach. They can often seem a bit aloof. Personally, I like to try to start conversations with the "quiet contemplative" type. I guess I usually think they might just be a bit shy about approaching others and are more comfortable if someone comes up and says "hi" and starts a conversation.

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ORIGINAL: Twoshoes

Anyway, quiet, completative people are significantly rarer and they don't need more than a handful of close relationships each, which means most people haven't experienced us enough to know better. More experienced and more intuitive people generally tend to know what's up.



Here I have to disagree with you. Introverts or the "quiet contemplative" types are not more rare, just less noticable. Extroverts tend to stand out while the introverts sit quietly on the sidelines watching the action, so most are so busy watching the extroverts grab the attention, the introverts don't get noticed.

Being smart, whether you are introverted or extroverted, is always a virtue to others, except for those who lack confindence in their own abilities. What seems to happen on these boards though is that while the d-types speak their mind (intelligent or not) without much concern for their intelligence, many s-types seem to feel a need to regularly announce how smart they are. I'm not talking about the "hey I just learned something really cool, I want to share," or the "in my experience, I have seen..." I'm talking about those who feel a need to regularly do all but mention their IQ, as if they feel a need to announce their intelligence to justify what they say, and these people seem to think they know everything about every subject.

As windchymes mentioned (it was actually Abe Lincoln who is credited for the quote) "It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." I find that when one needs to constantly preface or announce how smart they are, they tend to be much less intelligent than they think.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 7:53:11 AM   
crazyml


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Status: offline 		Hey, LoveSparkie,

From time to time people are going to misunderestimatize you, because from time to time you're going to encounter jackassess. But I get the strong impression that, like Heather, you're plenty smart enough to detect their jackassedness - you'll (both) do fine.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 7:54:51 AM   
xssve


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Status: offline 		We took an informal poll in here once and intuitive types (who tend to be introverted), appeared way overrepresented in here compared to the general population (I''m an INFJ) - at least in the sample who responded to the poll, and it was subs as well as dom's.

Part of it is, Americans don't really respect intelligence, and flaunting it generlaly gets you nowhere - the opposite assumption is often made, if you're intelligent, you're a "wimp", and athletic ability/physical strength/beauty is much more likley to be openly admired and rewarded.

I'm very competitive intellectually, which put's a lot of people off, like Woody Allen said, intellectuals eat their dead - but I try not to go around lording it over others, that would just be anti-social - if you challenge me however, you better bring a lunch, I've done the homework.

Having said that however, admitting ignorance is often an excellent indicator of intelligence, only a fool will continue to argue about something they clearly know nothing about. Intelligence itself isn't so much about what you already know, it's more about having the ability to keep learning - and you can't learn nothin' if you think you know it all already.



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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 8:05:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: myotherself
'I suppose you think you're smarter than me'?


Translation : - "I think you're smarter than me"

Subtext : - "I am so lacking in self-worth, that the fact that I think you're smarter than me makes me feel inadequate"

And as Arpig pointed out... it's evident that you are smarter than this person.


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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 8:06:36 AM   
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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 8:13:36 AM   
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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 8:19:21 AM   
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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 8:38:13 AM   
LafayetteLady


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quote:

ORIGINAL: xssve

We took an informal poll in here once and intuitive types (who tend to be introverted), appeared way overrepresented in here compared to the general population (I''m an INFJ) - at least in the sample who responded to the poll, and it was subs as well as dom's.

Part of it is, Americans don't really respect intelligence, and flaunting it generlaly gets you nowhere - the opposite assumption is often made, if you're intelligent, you're a "wimp", and athletic ability/physical strength/beauty is much more likley to be openly admired and rewarded.

I'm very competitive intellectually, which put's a lot of people off, like Woody Allen said, intellectuals eat their dead - but I try not to go around lording it over others, that would just be anti-social - if you challenge me however, you better bring a lunch, I've done the homework.

Having said that however, admitting ignorance is often an excellent indicator of intelligence, only a fool will continue to argue about something they clearly know nothing about. Intelligence itself isn't so much about what you already know, it's more about having the ability to keep learning - and you can't learn nothin' if you think you know it all already.




And informal poll is just that, informal. It relys on people to state what they think they are, rather than what they likely are.

I would be very interested to know where you get the impression that the introverts are more often "intuitive" than the extroverts. In my experience, I have found that intuitiveness is not more radically obvious in either the introverts or the extroverts.

I also disagree that Americans have no respect for intelligence. Yes, we do tend to be a more visually stimulated type of group, both men and women. Beauty, athleticism is definately noticed, but I don't believe that intelligence goes unrewarded or doesn't get noticed. It's like listening to the news. You rarely hear reports about good things people do, but the news is full of all the horrible things people do to each other.

Not really sure what you mean by being competitive intellectually. Appearing on Jeopardy maybe? Or always looking to get into discussions with people where you can show your intelligence. However, kind of seems like being "competitive intellectually" is actually looking for opportunities to "lord it over others." Whatever floats your boat.

As for fools who will continue to argue even when they are wrong and proven to be so....have you looked around these boards? Seems to happen quite often. I find the first thing I do is look to see if English is not the person's first language, as that will sometimes mix up what they say. However, there are some here who profess to be expertly knowledgeable about so many things, I find it entertaining.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 9:28:41 AM   
Charnegui


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I think most Masters (in the M/s or D/s sense) want their property to be everything they can be.  I cant be threatened because a slave of mine is more successful than me, I cant be threatened because a slave can write better, spell better, cook better, earn more money or certainly get more attention than me.  After all she is mine and all she is, is a part of me.  We are a team dealing with the world.  I am the control, the chooser of our path, her focus.  


Thank you for pointing it out.... I hope someone reads this.....
Because it is what I believe.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 12:38:16 PM   
xssve


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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 12:54:43 PM   
xssve


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I also disagree that Americans have no respect for intelligence. Yes, we do tend to be a more visually stimulated type of group, both men and women. Beauty, athleticism is definately noticed, but I don't believe that intelligence goes unrewarded or doesn't get noticed. It's like listening to the news. You rarely hear reports about good things people do, but the news is full of all the horrible things people do to each other.
I'm well aware of primacy effect, and it depends much on who you talk to, but the average American is much more likely to know who won the Superbowl or the NBA playoffs than who won the Nobel Prize.

Mention IQ anywhere but a MENSA convention and you're a conceited elitist,  but it's OK to talk about how much you can bench press or what kind of car you drive, just sayin'.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 1:16:38 PM   
xssve


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Status: offline 		If you need proof, how is it all the "smart" people managed to crash the global economy?

One can only assume they aren't as smart as they - or we - think they are, ergo they must have gotten where they are due to something besides intelligence.

If not, what are we talking about here? General intelligence? Social intelligence?

"Wisdom" has to be in there somewhere too, it can be a sign of intelligence, but not synonymous with it, that appears indisputable.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 1:22:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LoveSparkie

I love to serve, it is what makes me happy. Seeing other people smile and say "Good Job" is what makes my little heart flutter.

BUT I hate when people treat me like my mental abilities are limited. I am naturally quiet and I'm not sure if its the fact that I normally don't speak to be why certain people think all I can do is simple tasks that make other's lives easier.

I am a QUICK student. Since I was child, ANYTHING I put my mind too I could learn and do. It may sound far fetched, but it is indeed true. I LOVE to be educated, I LOVE to learn anything I possibly can and I learn fast.

I am submissive and I love serving others, but I HATE when people assume my MENTAL abilities are limited to simply serving others. I serve because I CHOOSE to serve, NOT because that's all I can do.

Does anyone else experience this? Does anyone else feel like people take advantage of the fact that you are there to help?


Not really. As soon as I open my mouth it's clear that I'm not hugely deficient :)

I'm not sure what you mean about *being there to help*.  If you don't speak,  then people will draw their own conclusions. There's not going to be a lot else to go on, is there?

I'm a quiet, introverted person and also quite significantly shy in new circumstances but no-one has ever assumed that I'm thick. To be frank the most usual reaction is that people try to draw me out........maybe I just look pale and interesting...LOL

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 2:55:57 PM   
crazyml


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Status: offline 		Meh... I don't hold by all that Meyers-Briggs mumbo jumbo.

Of course, I'm a typical ENTJ in that regard.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 2:58:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig
The CM Word of the day for June 10 is: jackassedness


No no. The word of the day is always Legs.
Spread the word.


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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 3:01:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		i had a switchy friend who would make comments about subs/slaves needing "someone to take care of them." it always irritated me. being submissive or a slave isn't about having no drive for independence or lacking self-sufficiency. people do tend to treat it like you're silly or unable to live on your own. granted, i have met some pretty off the wall fsubs who probably CAN'T really get by on their own, but they've been in the minority. most of the s-types i know are strong, well-adjusted, intelligent people. 

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 3:49:41 PM   
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Mention IQ anywhere but a MENSA convention and you're a conceited elitist,
How relevant is an IQ score anyway, I've heard people say they are useless, but they still test for them, so they must have some purpose.

I've taken two, and got different scores each time. To my mind that makes them suspect.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 4:57:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		You choose whom you will serve. If people disrespect you online, do your best to dismiss them, because they shouldn't matter in your life.

Simply choose men who know these facts, and don't treat you as if your mental faculties are faulty.
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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 5:22:38 PM   
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I think people find introverts a little more difficult to approach. They can often seem a bit aloof. Personally, I like to try to start conversations with the "quiet contemplative" type. I guess I usually think they might just be a bit shy about approaching others and are more comfortable if someone comes up and says "hi" and starts a conversation.


This reminds me of my favourite quote...

"I find the quiet ones more interesting than the ones jumping up and down for attention. They often have far better stories to tell."


To the OP... Depending on the situation, I can be painfully shy and quiet, or assertive and opionated, and everything in between. I've had people dismiss me in both extreme modes, which I usually just shrug off. If they don't want to bother to spend the time to get to know the complexities that are me, then that's their loss.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 5:55:49 PM   
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"I find the quiet ones more interesting than the ones jumping up and down for attention. They often have far better stories to tell."


Somebody hasn't met me.  Just saying.


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