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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 6:05:26 PM   
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I think it also has a lot to do in how you carry yourself and the image you project with or without opening your mouth.   Good grooming, posture, poise, how you dress... these are all things that show you take pride in yourself.  Looking people in the eye when you converse, listening and making intelligent reply's makes people take you a lot more seriously and if someone is intimidated by that then they're not worth your time.  On the other hand if you giggle, look at the ground when someone speaks to you, have poor posture... then yes, you're not going to be taken as the sharpest tool in the shed.


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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 6:17:15 PM   
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"I find the quiet ones more interesting than the ones jumping up and down for attention. They often have far better stories to tell."


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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/10/2011 6:42:43 PM   
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Meh... I don't hold by all that Meyers-Briggs mumbo jumbo.

Of course, I'm a typical ENTJ in that regard.


And I'd be INFP.

Edit: So, this also means I'm drawn to women with very opposite (and thus aggressive, extroverted, telling-everyone-what-to-do personalities). And, it's great when some of them turn out to be sexually submissive. It makes sense; it's just kind of backwards!

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/11/2011 6:11:58 AM   
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Mention IQ anywhere but a MENSA convention and you're a conceited elitist,
How relevant is an IQ score anyway, I've heard people say they are useless, but they still test for them, so they must have some purpose.

I've taken two, and got different scores each time. To my mind that makes them suspect.

It tests how well you take that test.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/11/2011 7:13:52 AM   
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Mention IQ anywhere but a MENSA convention and you're a conceited elitist,
How relevant is an IQ score anyway, I've heard people say they are useless, but they still test for them, so they must have some purpose.

I've taken two, and got different scores each time. To my mind that makes them suspect.

It tests how well you take that test.


and how immersed you are in the culture of the people who made the test.


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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/11/2011 7:35:12 AM   
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Does anyone else experience this? Does anyone else feel like people take advantage of the fact that you are there to help?


I experience this. I am quiet in real life too. And I love to serve.

People often make incorrect assumptions about quiet people, no matter what their real personalities are like. They frequently do so about me. :) I'm easygoing and my priorities are what they are so most of the time I just let others think what they want. Sometimes an incorrect assessment or underassessment of you is a very useful thing. I have been living with this sort of situation for a long time and have an extensive "intellectual" track record, so my confidence--at least in the outside world and among ordinary people--is fairly unshakable at this point. I let people think whatever they want about me, unless such thought starts to interfere with a goal I must meet. In the latter case, well, I... just do what it takes to "correct" the situation.

I'm not sure what you mean by people taking advantage of the fact that you are there to help. Are you in an occupation where you get to exercise your brain? I personally find this type of work helps alleviate the feeling that people think your are mentally limited. They may still, if you are quiet and cooperative, not value what you do or they may deeply underestimate what's required upstairs to do it, but you, personally, know exactly what's involved and that helps to make others' feelings on the matter irrelevant, because you understand they are uninformed and ignorant.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/11/2011 1:13:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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Mention IQ anywhere but a MENSA convention and you're a conceited elitist,
How relevant is an IQ score anyway, I've heard people say they are useless, but they still test for them, so they must have some purpose.

I've taken two, and got different scores each time. To my mind that makes them suspect.



Most IQ tests are just this side of meaningless, they are products of a bureaucratic mind to filter people out, ie are you enough like me, that I want you in my school, workforce or whatever.   Intelligence has many components, being gifted in one area often means being an idiot in another.  For example, someone extremely good at math is rarely extremely good at the liberal arts.  The only valid IQ test I have every seen that actually had some validity, was the ASVAB (armed services vocational)  and it isn't even called an IQ test , though that is what it really is.  When you examine intelligence, you have to ask yourself what sort.  I know enough math to know I am not a gifted mathematician,  I stop at calculus and in the math world, that's dumbell status. I will certainly never write the great American novel, I cant spell worth a damn, thank god for word processors and even then I screw up sometimes.  So most likely the higher levels in these fields would define me as being not too bright.  Like most things IQ is relevant to a narrow strip of skills.   Many levels of gray, we each of us operate at some level in that gray zone.  A smart Dom (D/s & M/s) wants subs who help with his weak areas, while I am an OK cook, I will never be a great one, wouldn't offend me at all if a sub is.  Money management is a skill set, again I am ok, but if a sub is better and one of mine was, all to the good.  If one of my subs was a genius at making money, I would be in seventh heaven, that being a skill set that somehow has always alluded me. 



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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/11/2011 2:02:11 PM   
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It tests how well you take that test.

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Most IQ tests are just this side of meaningless,
Then why do they still use them? I'm not talking about the bogus online ones, but the "genuine" ones they use to test kids and stuff. They spend a lot of money giving these tests, which seems a little dumb if they are useless.

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and how immersed you are in the culture of the people who made the test.

I agree with this Lilly, but assuming you are from the culture of the people who made the test, are they then valid?

The reason I'm asking is because while I think I'm smarter than your average bear, according to the IQ tests I took a few years back I'm supposed to be really, REALLY seriously smart, but I question that. So basically I'm wondering; if they are irrelevant, no big deal, but if they are relevant, then did I fluke out when I took them, or am I just not making full use of my potential.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/11/2011 2:15:12 PM   
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I kind of wonder what the people at Mensa do all day. Is it like I imagine where they play games of invisible chess and come up with number sequences other than 1, 2, 3, 4 ,5...

Have Mensa cured cancer yet? Get a move on I say. Us thickos want to lay in the sun all day without consequence.


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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/11/2011 2:18:11 PM   
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I don't think being quiet and contemplative is the reason - I am generally NOT quiet and I still get it sometimes. I think it's something many domly-types like to think, and the only thing that feeds that position is the matter between their ears.  They want to be stronger, smarter, etc., as part of their authoritarian position.

Some of them understand the fallacy in that thinking.  Those who don't, might treat submissives as "less smart" because it's what they want to believe.

In my admittedly limited participation in "the community", my feeling is that an awful lot of unrelated and stray concepts seem to get connected to the concept "dominant" or "submissive". I've heard pretty much everything. In my mind, dominant means dominant. Submissive means submissive. They don't mean other things. Dominant does not equal selfish. Submissive does not equal selfless. Dominant does not equal strong. Submissive does not equal weak.

My general assessment is that things work best when folks with like-minded views hook up.


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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/11/2011 2:20:06 PM   
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I kind of wonder what the people at Mensa do all day. Is it like I imagine where they play games of invisible chess and come up with number sequences other than 1, 2, 3, 4 ,5...

In my experience, they held slave auctions and wild parties. They staked each other naked in their back yards. They held sex toy parties. And yes, there was the occasional game of chess.


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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/11/2011 2:33:09 PM   
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When visiting community centres it's always important to walk through the right door.

This is what they tell me.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/11/2011 2:59:12 PM   
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When visiting community centres it's always important to walk through the right door.

*shrugs* You asked a question and I tried to answer factually.

It's certainly true that I didn't attend a whole lot of gatherings and not all were equally sexual but not a one of them was even remotely "a bunch of eggheads doing egghead things". I suppose those must also exist somewhere but I didn't run into them.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/11/2011 5:49:19 PM   
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The girlfriend gets this often, because she's young and pretty and female. It makes me want to stab people.
THIS!!! right in the fucking eye!

its a widespread perception, sub=stupid. i used to get it all the time when i was a full time sub. i'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, i just barely made it through high school, but they still underestimated my intelligence.

and with heather?? fuck me twice! when the people talking down to her are so obviously not even in the same sport let alone the same league as her it pisses me right the fuck off. its all i can do not to strangle the fuckheads.

when we first got together i knew she was smarter than me, and every day it gets more and more clear to me just how fucking much smarter she is. i think its fucking wonderful. if i don't understand something, i just tell her to read up on it and voifuckingla, i get it explained to me. its fun as fuck talking with her, she gets insights and flashes that open up whole vistas to my mind. she sees things and understands things i never would in a million years, and because she's mine, its like having this really powerful extra brain.

i'm a fucking convert. the brainier the sub the better.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/11/2011 5:52:12 PM   
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I kind of wonder what the people at Mensa do all day.
its a social club where they can get together and talk without having to stop and explain shit to normies like you and i.

hannah lynn

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/11/2011 5:54:37 PM   
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when we first got together i knew she was smarter than me, and every day it gets more and more clear to me just how fucking much smarter she is. i think its fucking wonderful. if i don't understand something, i just tell her to read up on it and voifuckingla, i get it explained to me. its fun as fuck talking with her, she gets insights and flashes that open up whole vistas to my mind. she sees things and understands things i never would in a million years, and because she's mine, its like having this really powerful extra brain.


As a submissive I can tell you how wonderful it is when I am treated like this, appreciated for what I offer and what I add to the mix... heather is as lucky as you are, you are lucky to have someone who makes your life easier by doing the leg work, and she is lucky to have someone who appreciate her abilities.

She is very articulate, and even when I do not agree with her, it isn't like she formed her opinions from some other planet, they are always based upon a reasoning mind....

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/11/2011 7:43:22 PM   
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The reason I'm asking is because while I think I'm smarter than your average bear, according to the IQ tests I took a few years back I'm supposed to be really, REALLY seriously smart, but I question that. So basically I'm wondering; if they are irrelevant, no big deal, but if they are relevant, then did I fluke out when I took them, or am I just not making full use of my potential.


Reasonably, you are still young, so your potential has not been reached. Are you not making use of it? This is where the real intelligence comes into play....

You took a test that says you are really really smart. Are you happy with where you are in the world at the moment? Happy with what you are doing with your life, planning where you are going? Because if you answer yes to those questions, then you are also making use of your potential.

Look around at some of the people here who need to constantly mention how smart they have "tested," or how much they know. I don't mean the people who offer their opinions based on experience and how things have worked for them, that is a totally different issue. I'm talking about those posters who have an almost neurotic need to mention somewhere in their post how they are so smart and have such high IQs. Do you take them more seriously? Or do you kind of chuckle because they tend to be blowhards who seem to enjoy looking at their own words in type?

But back to the tests....there are very smart people who just will never do well on standardized testing. Doesn't matter how hard they study, doesn't matter how much they know about the subject. Something in their head tells them it's a test and they freeze. Other people, don't need to study at all, might not even know a damn thing about the subject matter, but they know how to rationalize the answers and do well on tests. Who is actually smarter? More importantly does it matter?

Most standardized tests are multiple choice. Logically, you have a one in four or five chance of getting the right answer. That fifth answer is usually "none of the above" or "all of the above." People who don't over stress on the test look at the other four and if they see one answer that could be correct, they know "none of the above" won't fit or "all of the above" might. Likewise when there is only four answers, usually one is so far off that it can be immediately crossed off as a non option. You just improved your odds to one in three. Most people who are good test takers can make these rational deductions to either the right answer or a 50/50 shot at the right one.

Does that mean I am saying that maybe you aren't as smart as you tested or as smart as you think you are? I've conversed on the other side with you and Hannah and I know you are a smart cookie (and Hannah is smarter than she thinks too). But I bet one of you stresses over tests more than the other, and obviously based on Hannah's reply, you just absorb information at a different rate than Hannah and explain it in ways that are easier for her to understand. So what does that mean? First, you are well suited to each other, which you both already know. Second, you each have intelligence but process information differently. Not that one is better than the other, just different. It makes for a complementary, and successful relationship (but you guys figured that out already, right?).

Essentially, intelligence is meaningless without happiness. Self esteem is often connected with intellligence, but wrongly so. When one needs to regularly "announce" their intelligence, self esteem is obviously lacking. When one has the confidence to state their opinion (even when it may be unpopular or unconventional), and not worry what everyone is going think, that is self esteem. Now obviously, we also have those around here who are either dumb as a stump and still state their opinion as though it is gospel, and others who are just so woefully misinformed or live under a rock. But the smartest people around here seem to be the people who speak from experience and from their heart, and who are also never afraid to admit that they are unfamiliar with a particular subject.

So in the end, what does that tell YOU about these tests you have taken? I'm guessing you already know what I think it says about the tests you took.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 12:00:49 AM   
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Good grooming, posture, poise, how you dress... these are all things that show you take pride in yourself. 
oh for fuck's sake, you sound like my fucking mother. not one of those things has a damned thing to do with how intelligent you are or how intelligent people think you are. what the fuck babe? some of the stupidest people i know take inordinate amounts of pride in themselves. i know a whole shitload of well dressed, impeccably groomed idiots. if what you say was true, then why don't people assume fashion models are brilliant?


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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 1:38:17 AM   
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Good grooming, posture, poise, how you dress... these are all things that show you take pride in yourself. 
oh for fuck's sake, you sound like my fucking mother. not one of those things has a damned thing to do with how intelligent you are or how intelligent people think you are. what the fuck babe? some of the stupidest people i know take inordinate amounts of pride in themselves. i know a whole shitload of well dressed, impeccably groomed idiots. if what you say was true, then why don't people assume fashion models are brilliant?


hannah lynn


First off... my mother is one of the women I respect and admire most in this world and I will always take her advice gladly.  Perhaps if you listened to yours you would have the ability to address people in a more civil manner rather than attacking.

I imagine that there are many fashion models who are quite intelligent but that would show more in how they handle themselves when not in front of a camera or with makeup artists and designers... those looks are the image someone else has of them and nothing to do with how they choose to represent themselves.  A woman who dresses with class and elegance is going to be perceived as more intelligent then a woman who wears sequin boobtubes and miniskirts.  I'm not saying she will be, but she will be perceived that way... and isn't that what this thread is about?





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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 3:16:32 AM   
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When I became officially anointed a Dom by an online site, for a small fee I was mailed a flogger and the standard mail-in coupon for another 50 IQ points that I immediately redeemed. Submissives around me recognized my newly found brilliance and began to hang on my words explaining domination and submission in a scintillating way they had never considered. Sudoko became easy. My spell checker never found errors. I also became a financial expert because I was able to see patterns in the stock market with technical analysis and relate it to leadership in M/s. The flock would follow the leader I knew. I demanded my submissives give me their money to manage because I was so better equipped to invest for them. In chat rooms, I answered everything with a metaphor or fable. If two people ride on a horse, one must ride behind explained relationships. When a submissive said she hurt when I beat her, I explained to her why she really didn’t. I grade the papers I make them write on why they are submissive with a red marker that I explained is the Staff of Knowledge and a phallic symbol. I’m growing a beard, streaked with gray, to emphasize my intellectual superiority..

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