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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 3:25:49 AM   
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If two people ride on a horse, one must ride behind explained relationships.

Unless they are conjoined twins.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 3:38:31 AM   
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If two people ride on a horse, one must ride behind explained relationships.

Unless they are conjoined twins.


Heh, but having two women together with you is not unusual for a Dom.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 6:41:20 AM   
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Good grooming, posture, poise, how you dress... these are all things that show you take pride in yourself. 
oh for fuck's sake, you sound like my fucking mother. not one of those things has a damned thing to do with how intelligent you are or how intelligent people think you are. what the fuck babe? some of the stupidest people i know take inordinate amounts of pride in themselves. i know a whole shitload of well dressed, impeccably groomed idiots. if what you say was true, then why don't people assume fashion models are brilliant?


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Ah, see now that comes under the heading, "social intelligence", meaning how much time and energy you devote to impressing other people - and yes, it tends to come higher on most peoples list of attributes than (G) general intelligence - which is what the IQ test tests for HL.

This ethic become widespread in the Eighties, coinciding with the popularity of moral relativism and conspicuous consumption, ("it's not who you are, it's what you wear", "U got the look", etc. - including) and it's a bit of a step back, i.e., the reptilian complex responds to visual cues, displays, and ritualized behavior patterns, as do insects, it's a very very basic set of traits that even ants comprehend.

In fact the subject first emerged when a car rental agency, I think it was, fired a desk clerk because she didn't conform to their standards of young and thin (she was a MILF, but MILF's weren't hot yet), there was a lawsuit, and it was a problem in numerous industries - Hooters, I think is an example of this ethic taken to it's logical conclusion, it' s been very good to the diet and plastic surgery industries.

It's always been there, it's basically a Puritan value (cleanliness is next to godliness), but often qualifies as a neurosis taken to the usual extremes - it's a common element of Narcissism ("out, damned spot!", i.e., Lady MacBeths compulsive handwashing), in which inner, or self esteem is overridden by external judgements. It is a feature of human culture, particularly European, which probably reflects steady contamination of the water supply - they drank wine, and didn't wash for that reason, but attributed disease to the odor of ordure (miasma) - until some smart guy came along and looked for bugs in the water itself.

Personally, my theory is that nowadays, it's largely the result of pervasive media influence, i.e., there are very few average looking people on TV, they're almost uniformly clean, good looking and well dressed, reflecting the corporate value systems of the advertisers.

So no, it's not a really a sign of intelligence, in fact if you are intelligent, it simply means you're devoting more of your available memory registers to tracking and conforming to social expectations and compromising your objectivity - but you look good doing it, and that probably counts more than intelligence.

Excessive cleanliness can actually be dangerous, living under antiseptic conditions means you immune system is not keeping up, and developing new antibodies - the mortality rate in the 1917 influenza epidemic was highest in rural areas, where the inhabitants were not exposed to as wide a range of pathogens - the recent-killer-flu-that-wasn't might not have been because the same vectors that allow it to spread so rapidly (jet age transportation), limits its lethality: more people are exposed to a less than lethal dose far enough in advance to build up antibodies.

Now if I talked like this on a date, I'd probably be the one sitting there waiting for her to come back from the bathroom.


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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 7:14:17 AM   
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I'm not saying it's right to judge a person's intelligence or anything else by their appearance, but it's a fact that people do.  I'm learning this first hand.  After being in a gas explosion last year... my hands, arms, legs and feet are badly scarred.  I'm the same person I was last year but people respond to me differently.  Funnily enough... women who disliked my before now want to be friends.  If a person is being judged as not intelligent by people she doesn't know then it's obviously something physical or a demeanor she has.  When you treat yourself like you have value and carry yourself with confidence most people assume you're fairly intelligent.



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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 7:43:28 AM   
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... it' s been very good to the diet and plastic surgery industries.

It's always been there, it's basically a Puritan value (cleanliness is next to godliness), but often qualifies as a neurosis taken to the usual extremes - it's a common element of Narcissism ("out, damned spot!", i.e., Lady MacBeths compulsive handwashing), in which inner, or self esteem is overridden by external judgements.




....mmmmm... I"m thinking there was a bit more going on with Lady Mac B than narcissm...  like... oh, I don't know... guilt centered around murder.... call me silly, but that's ... yeah.  Anyway, you seem to have forgotten the other part... you know the... "who would have thought he had so much blood in him?"  It's one thing to convince someone to commit murder, something else to actually see the body with blood everywhere.  Not really narcissism as I understand it.  But who am I after all?  a not very bright subly gal... tut tut.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 8:09:14 AM   
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It's usually considered a classical example of pathological Narcissism - compulsive handwashing used to be a common symptom, i.e., he sufferer is attempting to cleanse something internal, as you say, in lady MacB's case, guilt, long after the blood is washed away - Narcissism results from an inability to tolerate imperfection in oneself, which can be projected onto others.

More common these days is general germophobia, i.e., Howard Hughes, but other example's might include the Grahamites, who eschewed sex but became obsessed with colon cleansing and enemas. Graham eventually recanted and decided sex wasn't so bad, but colon cleansing is still a hot topic in various granola and neo-Puritan philosophies.

Hard to be "perfect" when your shit still stinks.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 10:09:00 AM   
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I'm not saying it's right to judge a person's intelligence or anything else by their appearance, but it's a fact that people do.
I do, but not the way you mean it. I learned a long time ago that the ones who are the most "done up" tend to be the empty headed ones. Take my work for example. There's a girl there who is always dressed to the nines, always made up. She looks like she's going to dinner whenever she shows up. My first reaction was "ditz". She isn't, but i had to talk to her to find that out.

There was this other girl, wore old jeans and t-shirt, hair was generally messy (not dirty, just unkempt). She struck an interest in me, and I was right, she's brilliant. She's interested in Soviet era east bloc history, so she taught herself Russian in about 6 months. Speaks English, French, and German as well.

My reasoning is that those who spend a lot of time making sure they look just right, that they are presenting themselves just so, have little or nothing else to go on, they strike me as insecure and I generally assume they have low self esteem, and are trying to compensate for their self-perceived inadequacies. The ones who clearly don't worry about the way they are perceived don't because they know they have a lot more going for them, they come across as confident and self assured to me.

I'm not talking filthy, unwashed sort of thing, but the ones who don't cater to society's idea of what is and isn't "acceptable" usually are far smarter than those who do. So your advice is exactly the wrong advice from my point of view, doing what you suggested will make a sub look less intelligent in my eyes.


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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 10:11:56 AM   
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jeez.. just scrolled thru the past couple of pages...


and leaving it alone..

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 10:14:55 AM   
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And what about those who do both Arpig?
The one's that take the time to take care of themselves and have fi a huge interest in other human beings, history and can speak multiple languages?

Coz' those women do exist.

In your post you're assuming that it can't be at the same time.




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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 10:19:15 AM   
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First off... my mother is one of the women I respect and admire most in this world and I will always take her advice gladly.  Perhaps if you listened to yours you would have the ability to address people in a more civil manner rather than attacking.

*chuckles* Yeah that. Although there is always the "dominance = asshattery" crowd.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 12:26:45 PM   
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First off... my mother is one of the women I respect and admire most in this world and I will always take her advice gladly. 
great, you like your mother, i'm happy as a pig in shit for you. but you still sound like my mother, all empty headed, preachy and holier than thou and shit.

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Perhaps if you listened to yours you would have the ability to address people in a more civil manner rather than attacking.
sugarpie, i haven't attacked you or anybody. look back, is my post still there? if so, then it wasn't an attack. when i attack somebody the fucking post gets deleted.

and as far as being civil? fuck that. if you don't like what i have to say, i really don't care. if you don't like the way i say it, well, that? i don't give a flying fuck about that. you're a grown woman, for fuck's sake, start acting like one, stop whining about somebody using a dirty word.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 12:36:42 PM   
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I'm the same person I was last year but people respond to me differently.  Funnily enough... women who disliked my before now want to be friends. 
that's got fuck all to do with their perception of your intelligence. its because they no longer perceive you as a threat, you are no longer "competition" the way you were before. women are fiercely competitive, and most of it centres around looks. i really truly am sorry to hear about the scarring, but that's what makes you desirable as a "friend" all of a sudden. they will look better by being seen with you, both in purely physical attractiveness terms, and because they will be seen to be compassionate and caring by being with you.

fuck them. they aren't friends, they're fucking self-centred users. screw them, stick with the people who liked you before and who still like you. those are the one's who don't care about what you look like, they like you for who you are. those are your real friends.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 12:36:48 PM   
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When I say carry yourself with poise, good posture, confidence... how are you making that into... spending all their time to look just so and glam?  You're reading into my words what you want to hear...  and not hearing what I say as well as taking it to extremes that have nothing to do with what I said.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 12:47:55 PM   
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You're reading into my words what you want to hear...
No, no. That's not at all what I was saying. what I said was that I agreed with you that people judge others' intelligence based on their appearance, but I was pointing out that my criteria are the exact opposite of the ones you are espousing. A person you deem to be appropriately dressed and carrying themselves with poise etc, I would probably take to be less intelligent. The frumpy girl with the unkempt hair tied back in a rough pony tail and the tattered hem on her jeans is the one I'd judge to be smarter.

I was agreeing with your basic premise, just showing how it can work the other way round as well.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 12:49:46 PM   
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And what about those who do both Arpig?
I did point out in my post that the well dressed girl was not the ditz my first impression told me she was.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 1:02:25 PM   
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When I used my own example it had nothing to do with intelligence... I had stated that people make perceptions of another based on physical appearance and when you change that appearance peoples perceptions can change as well.  I never said that someone should spend all their time looking glam etc.  I simply said that when you carry yourself like you have value, then others pick up on that as well. 

I don't care how often you use the word fuck... but yes, I'm gonna feel a little defensive when the first contact I have with someone is aggressive  My comment about the women wanting to be my friends now... was said in sarcasm... I see them exactly the way you do.  Ibiza is where I normally live, most of my friends are in the music industry, I used to do hair and make up for the sex shoes at manumission... there is nothing prudish or up tight about me. 

Just as you are quick to make judgements about me for a few words posted here, people are just as quick to make judgements about a person based on how they carry themselves or their appearance.


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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 1:08:52 PM   
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Just as you are quick to make judgements about me for a few words posted here, people are just as quick to make judgements about a person based on how they carry themselves or their appearance.

touché
point conceded.

(but you still sound like my mum)
hannah lynn

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 1:10:53 PM   
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Ok.. but again I never said it was my perspective... just the general perspective which has been shown in psych tests in which people match words to pictures.   I'm more of the "I'll wait until you open your mouth" before I make a call.


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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 1:16:13 PM   
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Not looking for points... just conversation but thanks.  In spite of a bad start, I do like your directness and I'm probably old enough to be your mum...  Lol.. just checked your profile, my daughter is a year older then you are.

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RE: Slave/Submissive: - Your MENTAL abilities are limited? - 6/12/2011 2:35:11 PM   
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Just as you are quick to make judgements about me for a few words posted here, people are just as quick to make judgements about a person based on how they carry themselves or their appearance.

touché
point conceded.

(but you still sound like my mum)
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