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They will only do that because no human pack leader is around who gives the command to hunt or not hunt, the whole pack behaviour is something each and every dog has,

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About almost all incidents when dogs are out of control are due to human mistakes, the person being bitten behaving stupidly and provoking the bite, or the dog owner not knowing what the fuck they are supposed to do and how to raise the dog, or just being plain lazy and stupid and thinking "It will never happen" and not instilling obedience into their dogs

I will say that is mostly true... even the dog that I had that went blood thirsty

She was an adult when my mom brought her home. She was closely inbred to be a pure black pom, which are not common. She was the only puppy that her mother ever had that survived out of three litters, because all of the others were highly deformed. Her owners kept breeding this bitch anyways, even though she kept having horrifically deformed pups (for example, one was born with their lungs on the outside of their body, etc).

The owners had a son in law that tormented this dog because she was very nervous and he thought it was funny. She was completely ruined by the time we got her. My mom worked for her owners as their maid, so she was well aware of this dogs history, but she felt really sorry for her. The dog was crazy from the day we got her, and we tried our best to overlook it and love her anyways, but it was what it was. We had to put her down when she went for livestock...

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~fr~

Dogs who attack should be shot in the head.  Then, their owners should be shot immediately also.

That said, I love pits

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They will only do that because no human pack leader is around who gives the command to hunt or not hunt, the whole pack behaviour is something each and every dog has,

Im not arguing that all dogs are not pack animals, most dogs will not go after other animals without other dogs..

Perhaps I am not communicating well here, I know what dogs will do, I am saying in my personal experience with dogs MOST are not blood thirsty, most do not engage in this behavior, even the ones that run to some extent.

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I was bit by a dog when I was walking down the road when I was 11 years old. The dog chased me down and bit me. This dog had a history of biting people in the past, also, and I blamed the dog's owners, because they allowed a dog with a history of biting to roam free in their yard without being tethered or anything.

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About almost all incidents when dogs are out of control are due to human mistakes, the person being bitten behaving stupidly and provoking the bite, or the dog owner not knowing what the fuck they are supposed to do and how to raise the dog, or just being plain lazy and stupid and thinking "It will never happen" and not instilling obedience into their dogs

I will say that is mostly true... even the dog that I had that went blood thirsty

She was an adult when my mom brought her home. She was closely inbred to be a pure black pom, which are not common. She was the only puppy that her mother ever had that survived out of three litters, because all of the others were highly deformed. Her owners kept breeding this bitch anyways, even though she kept having horrifically deformed pups (for example, one was born with their lungs on the outside of their body, etc).

The owners had a son in law that tormented this dog because she was very nervous and he thought it was funny. She was completely ruined by the time we got her. My mom worked for her owners as their maid, so she was well aware of this dogs history, but she felt really sorry for her. The dog was crazy from the day we got her, and we tried our best to overlook it and love her anyways, but it was what it was. We had to put her down when she went for livestock...

Inbreeding doesn't bode well for anything, it's amazing that only humans seem to breed for completely undesirable (read useless) traits, most pure white dogs with blue eyes have a lot of genetic defects...

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We may think that predatory behavior is something dogs' ancient relatives needed to survive and that now it's redundant and all but forgotten. But that's not true. All domestic dogs possess an innate prey drive and associated sensory and motor skills to act on this motivation.

But activation of prey drive is more complicated than a dog seeing something he considers prey and then chasing it. Below is a list of factors that come together to form the behavioral end point that is fully operational predatory behavior:


Breed tendency. Some breeds are more highly motivated to chase prey than others
Experience. Success is a potent reward and will instill lasting memories.
Opportunity. The freedom to act and a prey-containing environment.
Motivation. That aspect of internal processing that propels an animal into action.
Social facilitation. The presence or absence of other pack membe

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The Domestic Situation

Domestic dogs, as a whole, are less well equipped for hunting than their wild cousins who depend on their ability to fend for and feed themselves.

That said, the predatory instinct has been preserved to some extent in all dogs and has been cultivated and refined in certain breeds. The working behavior of sporting breeds is based almost entirely on customized predatory instincts. For example, pointers sniff out and point toward game, retrievers find and retrieve shot or injured prey with their "soft mouths," and spaniels locate and then leap, or spring, to flush out quarry.

Breeds most well known for having high prey drive are contained within the herding group. Herding behavior provides the best example of the predatory behavior at work in modern-day domestic dogs. From the stalk to the crouch, creep to the running and nipping, shepherd dogs almost have it all, except the final consummatory phase, which has been agonizingly culled out of their predatory repertoire for centuries. Though actively suppressed, this final phase of the predatory sequence is still genetically encoded in the various members of these breeds and re-emerges from time to time.

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Its perfectly legal here for me to shoot dogs if theyre attacking my pets or my livestock or if I just feel threatened by them. 

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LayfayetteLady,

I have no clue what you are talking about.  Where did i ever say there are dogs that are naturally more vicious.  i SAID, and let me quote "I hate to say it but the irresponsible dog owner is the one refuses to recognize the very REAL possibility that their breed is one that has major instincts to attack or whatever its defined as.  Caustion and realization and prevention are three things that make a responsible owner of these types of breeds.  If you have an owner oblivious to the possible risk, that to me is when a dog is dangerous.


There ARE DOGS that  have major instincts to attack  or "whatever its defined as."  That isn't ignorance, its truth and if you deny same YOU are the one who is speaking in ignorance.  The website has data that shows how many bites etc, show me a website that contradicts that.  I haven't seen one.  In fact i also posted a website that shows the DIFFERENCE between canine homicide and biting.  Perhaps you are too eager to see my post as a NEGATIVE concept when it wasn't and you were too eager to want to say how ignorant my post was when again it wasn't.  It was spot on to what most people are saying.  As LaTigresse  and others pointed out, it is ABSOLUTE ignorance to be in denial about your dogs and yes, on many occassions what a breed is capable of.  If you seriously want to run around saying its okay to be ignorant and in denial what an animal breed is capable of when you own same, then fine, but i will disagree with you every time.

Again, please show me a website contradicting the statistics.  All that one webite does is state the statistics, but if you have different statistics then please show them to me.

I never said anything like your last paragraph implies, perhaps you need to slow down and READ what was said instead of putting words into someone's post.  That in and of itself is pompous of you to do.

And if you read my post, you will see -- if you take your negativity glasses off, i speak of the OWNERS being in denial about what their dogs CAN be capable of. It is ignorant of an owner to own a dog and NOT be aware of what it is capable of -- if yo don't acknowedge what it is capable of how can you TRAIN it properly.  And, yes, only someone ignorant would ignore what statistics do say, because like it or not, they show what a dog with bad owners can DO.  Therefore, that gives them an idea of how to be good owners and train them a certain way. 

But of course, people can remain in denial and not train them with the understanding of what the dogs are capable of, and well gee, would that make them a BAD owner, yes?  angel

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I took care of the wounds myself, knowing that chances are that I would never see compensation from the dog owner. The penicillin and the syringes and the iodine solution cost me less than $24.00 at the local farm store.

The fence repairs will cost about twice that, including rebar reinforcement and a few posts.

Its my time that Im not sure how to bill for, assuming I am ever even asked. Small claims court is one possibility, and restitution is another but both options will cost me even more of my time. And collecting a judgment can be next to impossible anyway...

What really concerns me the  most is the dogs. The deputy who I talked with informed me that they were being held at the dog pound and that he was going to try to get them destroyed, and I really just never want to see them around here again.