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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/13/2011 3:58:18 PM   
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My problem is trying to read a stray that comes on the property. How am I supposed to tell if a given dog is dangerous just by looking at it?

When I saw the one pit bull on my place a week before the attack on the steer I thought, "He doesnt look too bad" and I just chased it off, on account of  a family members cat, mostly., and because I knew there was some potential for danger to the people who live here.

But, you know, a week later, I learned my lesson - and never again.

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My husband also said he would sue for damages, especially since the dog owner hasn't had the decency to contact you.  I told him what one poster here said about not complaining anymore and just shooting them when they come onto your property.  He's not a big advocate of killing a creature who is following instinct, but he is an advocate for responsible pet ownership.  You have a responsibility to you and yours.  God forbid your children were around and those dogs considered your children fair "game".  We have two dogs too, one is a pit.  Our pit would probably try to play with your steer lol.  He's just a big goof.  Our female may bark like a crazy fool at him, but if they ever hurt your animals or damaged anything, we would be right on your doorstep, trying to make it right. 

And that's if they ever got out to run without supervision!!



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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/13/2011 4:04:10 PM   
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I told you dog-loving punks to keep your filthy mutt off my property.


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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/13/2011 4:47:34 PM   
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My problem is trying to read a stray that comes on the property. How am I supposed to tell if a given dog is dangerous just by looking at it?

When I saw the one pit bull on my place a week before the attack on the steer I thought, "He doesnt look too bad" and I just chased it off, on account of  a family members cat, mostly., and because I knew there was some potential for danger to the people who live here.

But, you know, a week later, I learned my lesson - and never again.



Exactly!  It's not your job predicting the temperment of a stray.  If a pet owner was responsible and cared for his pet, he would ensure he was enclosed in an area that secured him.  Period, done, and over with.  That would eliminate your dilemma of trying to read a stray because actually, when protecting yours, (being practical) comes before a strangers pet.  It's just not your fault to be responsible for everyone's irresponsibility.  And on your property, while a threat to yours and your family especially, whatever your way of handling it is final. 

I would have no choice but to accept whatever the consequence was, if my dogs got out and I never saw them again. 


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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/14/2011 11:58:04 AM   
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So by your logic a small dog can't be vicious or aggressive because it can't kill somebody.


Can you just imagine the carnage if a pack of Yorkies (no matter how mean and vicious) had gotten to those livestock?



Great, now I have this visual of a pack of yorkies complete with bows in their hair and painted nails rampaging thru San Francisco.

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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/14/2011 12:06:41 PM   
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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/14/2011 12:22:00 PM   
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My problem is trying to read a stray that comes on the property. How am I supposed to tell if a given dog is dangerous just by looking at it?




Regardless of breed, I would just keep an eye out and give the dog the benefit of the doubt on the first sighting.    If I see them running the cattle, I know/ suspect the dog has attacked other critters, or the dogs start hanging around regularly.....then I'd consider shooting it or pepper spraying it.


Shooting a dog on first sight is a good way to wind up killing the pet dog of a responsible owner and destroying your friendships with your neighbors. 

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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/14/2011 12:23:23 PM   
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I told you dog-loving punks to keep your filthy mutt off my property.




I resent that.    I'm NOT filthy.    After all, I did wipe after I pooped in your yard last night.

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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/14/2011 2:00:25 PM   
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So by your logic a small dog can't be vicious or aggressive because it can't kill somebody.


Can you just imagine the carnage if a pack of Yorkies (no matter how mean and vicious) had gotten to those livestock?




In case you don't know about it, nothing will stop you from educating yourself, the internet is a brilliant research tool... Have you ever seen the carnage little breeds like Yorkies can cause when chasing pregnant sheep and causing them to abort? But apparently you aren't quite evolved enough to understand that aggression has nothing to do with size, or do you think only big strong guys can be aggressive?

Btw would you me to take a picture of my male Doberman's shoulder? Nice cut, hurts him like hell, he's on antibiotics now, has trouble moving, £120 vet bill so far, the cut is about 5" long and deep, and guess what kind of dog attacked him? A Jack Russel... Go on and tell me some more BS about only big dogs are aggressive and dangerous. And guess what, the moronic owner didn't have his Jack Russel under control, guess not needed since he's only a "small dog" - both of mine followed my call back command straight away and stayed with me, as I didn't want to see another dog being torn to pieces. And nope, they did nothing to provoke the attack, I was putting them through their paces and then threw a ball, when Alf caught the ball the Jack Russel came from out of nowhere and launched himself at my dog. If I wouldn't have been so worried about mine bleeding like crazy and getting him to the vet ASAP, I might have rearranged the owner's face - of course the owner grabbed his freaking dog and just left... Nice one...



Go on and share your great "knowledge" about dangerous dogs, obviously you do have no freaking clue what you are talking about! Dig a bit more and let us know when you've reached China!

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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/14/2011 2:56:33 PM   
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Since you're in Cali and yeah, I know it's a big place and all... but when you worked pit rescue, did you ever have occasion to meet that dwarf fellow that does the same and goes around to schools?
Only reason I ask is that my 9 year old daughter loves that show.

No, I never met him. I did, however, meet and hang out with Tia Torres of Animal Planet's show 'Pit Bulls and Parolees' many years ago.


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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/14/2011 3:00:05 PM   
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quote:

In case you don't know about it, nothing will stop you from educating yourself, the internet is a brilliant research tool... Have you ever seen the carnage little breeds like Yorkies can cause when chasing pregnant sheep and causing them to abort? But apparently you aren't quite evolved enough to understand that aggression has nothing to do with size, or do you think only big strong guys can be aggressive?


You're a great example of size not mattering when it comes to aggression.


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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/14/2011 3:11:11 PM   
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You're a great example of size not mattering when it comes to aggression.



Shouldn't you concentrate on stuff you understand? You know pouting, trying to look pretty (you might actually succeed one day) and conditioning your hair?

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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/14/2011 3:12:48 PM   
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You're a great example of size not mattering when it comes to aggression.



Shouldn't you concentrate on stuff you understand? You know pouting, trying to look pretty (you might actually succeed one day) and conditioning your hair?


I've embraced your groupthink concept and now need three more people to say the same as you before I do anything. 


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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/14/2011 3:27:35 PM   
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Oh goosh, stop drinking the conditioner then you will possibly stop to parrot the stupid ideas that only big dogs can be aggressive.

Bit of a comprehension problem? Didn't see the wound? Sheesh, one of those harmless dogs caused that, you know harmless because they're small.

Never mind, I shouldn't overcharge your brain with thinks like logic, girlie.

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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/14/2011 3:34:25 PM   
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Oh goosh, stop drinking the conditioner then you will possibly stop to parrot the stupid ideas that only big dogs can be aggressive.

Bit of a comprehension problem? Didn't see the wound? Sheesh, one of those harmless dogs caused that, you know harmless because they're small.

Never mind, I shouldn't overcharge your brain with thinks like logic, girlie.


Huh?  I didn't say anything about big dogs/small dogs being more aggressive than one another.  What in the world are you babbling about?

Did you just call me "girlie?"  I won't lie, I giggled. 







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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/14/2011 3:48:33 PM   
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If you don't understand, maybe you should read up, you know me being so aggressive... Surely you must have read which comment lead to me suggesting that the "gent" may want to use the internet as a research tool... I had to deal with just such a moron today who also tried to tell me that small dogs can't be dangerous, after his small dog ripped a piece out of my big dog (naturally a dog who's big must be aggressive and dangerous, of course), only I had mine under control, small Jack Russel was not under control... It's prejudices like that that do wind me up, especially if I'm seriously worrying about the health of one of my dogs, because the idiot owner of the "harmless small dog" legged it (and I was too busy caring for my injured dog who was bleeding like crazy and in quite a bit of pain), the £120 vet bill is only the start for cleaning and gluing a deep wound together and antibiotics, but that's not so important, what's important is that I have no idea if the other dog had all his shots, might have a disease, etc.

But yeah, I guess I am terribly aggressive (even if with 5'5 I'm not terribly small - I'd say that's an average height) when I get upset that clueless people claim that small dogs can't be aggressive or inflict serious wounds. The farmers lose tons of calves and lambs each year, not to big dogs attacking them and mauling them, but to the small yappy lapdogs who were never trained, they run at the pregnant animals and they're instinct is to automatically run away - so lots of them miscarry, and the owners usually also defend it with "small dog, he couldn't kill a sheep or a cow..." Anything barking running at sheep or cows will trigger the flight instinct, the shock and running causes a hell lot of abortions. When you walk over the fields and you find an aborted fetus and a sheep that died while miscarrying, you do think differently about people who think Yorkies can't do any damage and Jack Russels aren't much bigger than Yorkies.



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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/14/2011 3:51:30 PM   
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Mhm, fascinating.

I'm going to go click the link exiting this topic now.  Okay?  Okay!  Good bye!


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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/14/2011 3:56:35 PM   
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OMG, I am so sorry, I actually thought you were able of a bit of rational or logical thinking, oh nevermind, tell you what, I put you on ignore and you do the same. Obviously you got much more important things to do than thinking or realizing when you cocked up...

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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/14/2011 3:58:10 PM   
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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/14/2011 4:34:16 PM   
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I don't know what the "research" says but pits tend to make the news a lot.

'Pit bull' has become a buzz word for the media. Getting an attack by nearly any other breed reported in the local newspaper (let alone on the TV news) is almost impossible unless the dog has killed someone, or it is a pack that has made multiple attacks on livestock or pets; but say the words 'pit bull' and the media goes into a frenzy. It's not quite as bad now as it was in the 90s, but there is still a very strong bias in the media about this breed. The result is the appearance that pit bulls are 'vicious' and more likely to attack than any other breed.
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I found this site that shows some of the statistics and to me for a 5% ownership across the US, the percentages to me are pretty high for people to be in denial about pits.
 
There are several factors involved here. The first is the actual number of pit bulls. Most stats rely on registrations for this, and not all owners register their dogs. Some will register, but give a different breed on the registration due to fear of BSL (breed specific legislation), so getting an accurate count isn't possible. That said, even if pit bulls are only 5% of the total dogs in the US, that makes nearly 4 million pit bulls in this country.

The second factor is that 'pit bull', let alone 'pit bull type' is not a breed of dog. American Pit Bull Terrier is a breed, as are American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Bulldog, Bandog, Cane Corso, Perro de Presa Canario, Dogo Argentino and several others. These breeds and others are often lumped together as 'pit bulls' when dog bites are studied, skewing the results.

Next, many studies (never mind TV news people) rely on eyewitness or victim statements to ID the breed of dog involved in a bite or attack. Many people who don't have the knowledge or experience to properly identify any dog breed will automatically say 'pit bull' when asked what kind of dog was involved, even if it was really a Jack Russell or a Dalmatian.

For anyone that remembers the Diane Whipple case in San Francisco, the Presa Canarios that killed her were repeatedly identified as 'pit bulls' during the first days of the huge media circus surrounding her death. Even after the breed was corrected, many people still insisted that the dogs were pit bulls.

Similarly, when a friend of mine and I used to walk our dogs in public, she got many comments on her 'gorgeous pit bull'... too bad her dog was a 125lb Presa Canario. Few people accurately identified my 55lb purebred APBT as a pit, and some even argued with us when we told them which dog was actually an APBT
Many, if not most, people think they know what a pit bull looks like, until you show them something like this and ask which dog is the pit bull.

Lastly, as with many breeds (bulldogs, dalmatians, and labs leap to mind), popularity has done the APBT breed no good and much harm. The worst of it was when the media stopped picking on Rotties (before that it was GSDs) and made 'pit bulls' the new 'big mean dog' on the block, encouraging every idiot gangbanger, criminal and clueless owner looking for a 'bad' dog to want a pit bull. Backyard breeders and those out to make a buck began breeding any APBT, regardless of temperament or physical problems. Pairing badly bred dogs of any breed and clueless, irresponsible owners is a recipe for disaster, let alone a strong breed like pits.

All that said, I agree with your main point. The owner of any dog needs to be aware of the proper temperament and natural inclinations of their chosen breed. An APBT of proper temperament is not human aggressive, but may well be dog and/or animal aggressive, esp after the age of 8 months- 1 year. That is a fact, and something that every owner needs to know.


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RE: When A Dog Pack Attacks (Graphic Bloody Photos) - 6/14/2011 4:36:08 PM   
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soooo WyldHrt is a little bit awesome. mmmhmmm. 

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