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mnottertail -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/14/2011 8:55:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u and nothing at all accomplished. Stopped the spread of communism. That is something. I dislike the idea of gulags. Yeah, this is where it fell down for me.

slvemike4u -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/14/2011 8:56:06 PM)
Actually it wasn't shell shock,or any altruistic motivation that led to the pipeline method that we used in Vietnam...it was a political decision to not declare war.Had the conflict been declared an actual war...units would have maintained their integrity...and the cruel Darwinian process that war imposes would have served to actually decrease the body count....as it was raw recruits were simply fed into the "pipeline" and suffered the ghastly fate that led to all those names on a Wall.

Aylee -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/14/2011 9:08:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u and nothing at all accomplished. Stopped the spread of communism. That is something. I dislike the idea of gulags. Yeah, this is where it fell down for me. Gulags are good?

willbeurdaddy -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/14/2011 9:19:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Thats entirely debatable, the war was entirely winnable had the media been behind the war effort. How was it Cronkites to choose Communism for Southeast Asia and death for all those millions who died there under Communist rule? Why were they and their freedom worth less than American men. And how is it not bias to play god in such matters... The bottom line is that we need varied sources for news and information, all sides need to be heard and many of the left here and elsewhere would deny us that exchange of ideas if it were theirs to do so. Those here who are pining away for the "good old days" when one or two media figures told us what to think should be seen for what they are quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark and might have saved another 100,000 Americans who didn't belong there....it wasn't a right or left issue...it was a reality issue... We won every battle but Tet and even that we turned...we could NEVER have won the war.... Start with Caputo's A Rumor of War.....finish with Neil Sheehan's A Bright Shining Lie....then tell me all about it...for historical reference try Bernard Fall's Street Without Joy....then get back to me with the war could be won....if you need more to read let me know...I've read them all....had a brother that was Lt JG, and an uncle who was one of the most decorated soldiers to serve there...I will let them post for you as well....never lost a battle....could never win the war.... We definitely could have won VietNam, but we weren't willing to fully commit to victory....and that's not necessarily a criticism. The cost of victory might not have been worth it. The real problem with VietNam was it colored the prosecution of every conflict after it to the point where popular opinion became as or more important than the Generals'.

mnottertail -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/14/2011 9:21:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u and nothing at all accomplished. Stopped the spread of communism. That is something. I dislike the idea of gulags. Yeah, this is where it fell down for me. Gulags are good? Cunts are stupid?

mnottertail -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/14/2011 9:23:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Thats entirely debatable, the war was entirely winnable had the media been behind the war effort. How was it Cronkites to choose Communism for Southeast Asia and death for all those millions who died there under Communist rule? Why were they and their freedom worth less than American men. And how is it not bias to play god in such matters... The bottom line is that we need varied sources for news and information, all sides need to be heard and many of the left here and elsewhere would deny us that exchange of ideas if it were theirs to do so. Those here who are pining away for the "good old days" when one or two media figures told us what to think should be seen for what they are quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark and might have saved another 100,000 Americans who didn't belong there....it wasn't a right or left issue...it was a reality issue... We won every battle but Tet and even that we turned...we could NEVER have won the war.... Start with Caputo's A Rumor of War.....finish with Neil Sheehan's A Bright Shining Lie....then tell me all about it...for historical reference try Bernard Fall's Street Without Joy....then get back to me with the war could be won....if you need more to read let me know...I've read them all....had a brother that was Lt JG, and an uncle who was one of the most decorated soldiers to serve there...I will let them post for you as well....never lost a battle....could never win the war.... We definitely could have won VietNam, but we weren't willing to fully commit to victory....and that's not necessarily a criticism. The cost of victory might not have been worth it. The real problem with VietNam was it colored the prosecution of every conflict after it to the point where popular opinion became as or more important than the Generals'. RICH!!!!!! Nota Bene. Ku.Fu.Chi.Sui.Ka.

outhere69 -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/14/2011 9:31:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Thats entirely debatable, the war was entirely winnable had the media been behind the war effort. How was it Cronkites to choose Communism for Southeast Asia and death for all those millions who died there under Communist rule? Ever read "About Face" by David Hackworth?

popeye1250 -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/14/2011 10:14:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy They changed the headline after somebody with a brain realized their dicks were exposed. The next time one of your liberal friends tells you there isn't any bias in the media, show him or her the following headline published Tuesday by CNN Money's senior writer Jeanne Sahadi. "Wingnut Debt Ceiling Demands" was actually placed directly above a picture of Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich, former Alaska governor Sarah Palin, and Florida senator Marco Rubio: Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/06/14/cnn-money-headline-above-picture-gingrich-palin-and-rubio-wingnut-deb#ixzz1PHLSdoDN It didnt get all that much better with the replacement headline: "Goofy debt ceiling demands" Sounds like someone needs an intervention! Just when you think CNN is doing good they fall off the wagon and start with the leftist B.S.

mnottertail -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/14/2011 10:17:16 PM)
Don't worry, they will have some real life changers like you to keep them on the straight and narrow.

Moonhead -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/15/2011 4:49:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u and nothing at all accomplished. Stopped the spread of communism. That is something. I dislike the idea of gulags. Yeah, this is where it fell down for me. Gulags are good? If they're sited in Cuba and full of Mooslims, yes.

SilverMark -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/15/2011 6:12:40 AM)
Any argument that starts with the phrase that" the Vietnam war was winnable for the American forces" shows a total lack of historical perspective. Vietnam is a civilization that started somewhere along the 2700-2800 BC and they fought the same battles, in the same places for the same ground throughout their history. They took hundreds of years to defeat the Chinese, but stuck to it from generation to generation, they threw out the Mongols, the French and finally the Americans. The American's finding themselves in the quagmire that so many before them had found themselves in, in a conflict they had no heart for as a nation, did the right thing, only 10 years too late. Vietnam was the Afghanistan of Asia, it was a place where you could take ground but the moment you left it, it was their's once more. Had we lined up on both sides of a field and fought as the European's had in the 16 and 1700's we would have crushed them, we knew it, they knew it, but they didn't play by our rules. The volumes available on the American experience are numerous, but the history of the country itself is where the real difference lies. Their land, their people, their style of war leads to a war of attrition that becomes un-winnable. It has been proven over and over again, not to acknowledge their ability to outlast an enemy is a fool's folly and nothing more.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/15/2011 7:42:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark Any argument that starts with the phrase that" the Vietnam war was winnable for the American forces" shows a total lack of historical perspective. No, it shows a historical unwillingness to do what it took to win. Again, it may not have been worth the cost (psychological more than financial) but there are at least two ways the war could have been done easily. Both today would be labeled genocide. But that was the end result of pulling out anyway, just in a different place.

SilverMark -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/15/2011 7:44:55 AM)
Will....sorry pal, simply put, you are WRONG!...

willbeurdaddy -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/15/2011 7:59:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark Will....sorry pal, simply put, you are WRONG!... Sorry, but simply put that is revisionist history spun by the left to soothe the collective conscience and guilt over their treatment of our returning soldiers. "What makes the conversation about Sorley's thesis especially interesting now, of course, is, as McChrystal asked Karnow, whether there is anything to be learned from Vietnam that would illuminate the way forward in Afghanistan. To be clear: there is no precise parallel to draw between Vietnam and Afghanistan. Every war is different. But the revisionists' view of Vietnam does shed some light on the issues facing Obama about war leadership. The most surprising guidance Vietnam may have to offer is not that wars of this kind are unwinnable—which is clearly the common wisdom in America—but that they can produce victories if presidents resist the temptation to fight wars halfway or on the cheap. As President Eisenhower liked to say, if you fight, "you must fight to win." Even George Herring tempers his assessment: "The war could not have been won at a price we were willing to pay," I dont subscribe to the "the media and hippies lost the war" theory. It was a lack of will and a conscious decision not to risk escalation. A classic case of politicians running a war, not the generals. "America's best chance to win in Vietnam may have come earlier in the war. In 1964–65, the top military leadership understood that to defeat the North, it was necessary to go all-out. As historian Mark Moyar points out in his groundbreaking work, Triumph Forsaken: The Vietnam War 1954–1965, that would have meant a massive bombing campaign, mining Hanoi's port, and sending troops into Laos and Cambodia to cut off the North's all-important sanctuaries and resupply route, the Ho Chi Minh Trail. But LBJ's advisers were reluctant—fearful, in part, of dragging China and the Soviet Union into a larger war. The military pressed—but not very hard. As Brig. Gen. H. R. McMaster shows in Dereliction of Duty: Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Lies that Led to Vietnam, the top brass made the classic mistake of telling their political masters what they wanted to hear." LBJ was more concerned with the Great Society than he was with victory. It is an error that Obama may well repeat in Afghanistan.

SilverMark -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/15/2011 8:05:14 AM)
You are just being obstinate....it's OK, it isn't the first time, but without a historical perspective, which once again you have ignored....you are still incorrect...also not the first time....it's OK I have been wrong before myself, just not this time[;)]

Moonhead -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/15/2011 8:08:02 AM)
If you're arguing with Wilbur, and somebody's completely wrong, the odds are likely to be in your favour, put it that way...

willbeurdaddy -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/15/2011 8:10:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark You are just being obstinate....it's OK, it isn't the first time, but without a historical perspective, which once again you have ignored....you are still incorrect...also not the first time....it's OK I have been wrong before myself, just not this time[;)] Perhaps its your colored hisotorical perspective. There are any number of books and articles, primarily sourced from the Generals and the CIA, that disagree with you. Like any other "what if", we will never know and no one is "right or wrong". My historical perspective was obtained first hand from treating soldiers in an Army burn hospital. I am quite comfortable with where Im coming from.

SilverMark -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/15/2011 8:41:10 AM)
and unfortunately...the result of all our efforts was?......a war we withdrew from.... I'd tell you as far as the "hippies" and media...I'd agree...it was the will of the country as a whole that we get out....sooner or later we will repeat the process in Afghanistan....there is once again, Nothing to win....

juliaoceania -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/15/2011 9:14:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark and unfortunately...the result of all our efforts was?......a war we withdrew from.... I'd tell you as far as the "hippies" and media...I'd agree...it was the will of the country as a whole that we get out....sooner or later we will repeat the process in Afghanistan....there is once again, Nothing to win.... Are you saying the hippies are always right?....lol

SilverMark -> RE: CNN tries to hide its bias, but too late (6/15/2011 9:21:51 AM)
lol....not really...although they were right...but it wasn't them alone nor the media that changed the will of the people...when the mothers and fathers, grandparents etc turned, there was little choice but to get out!...which was the right thing to do...

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