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SilverMark -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 4:23:04 AM)
A little extra ass can be a good thing![8D]

sunshinemiss -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 4:23:12 AM)
see that?! a fine, worthy, bitable ass. Yup.

LadyConstanze -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 4:26:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4 Vanity itself does not equate to narcissism. Yet, this is what many people are taught to believe. In fact, women will give other women who take care of themselves a fucking hard time. Seriously, women can be the biggest bitches to one another compared to how any man would treat a women. At the same time, if a man say shit about stuff he risks being labeled a Misogynist. nah nah.. the world is in perfect order for many people, no matter how backwards it might appear. Again something that doesn't happen as often as some people would like you to believe it, I recently changed my diet around a bit, no major changes but just to tone up a bit more as I was doing more exercise and thought I might as well eat healthier, most guys didn't notice a change, but I got a lot of nice compliments from women. Women aren't always bitchy to each other or worry if somebody else might be more attractive. Sorry if I inject some unwanted realism, but my tits were possibly in a better shape when I was a teen, so why should I hate teenagers with perky tits? Nobody can stay 18 forever, no reason to let yourself go, agreed, but also no reason to sneer at anybody who's having some extra padding or who has better genes and a better butt. As long as I'm happy with myself and my other half, who really does give a rat's arse?

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 4:26:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss aww Whippy you're turning it into a fat thread... sunshine, of the fat ass worth looking at. ssshhhh... LOL there are fat asses worth looking it. They are just toned up. That's something else that cracks me up. Women that think their ass is too big when it's just perfectly fine. The whole other extreme. Where skinny does not equate to healthy nor in shape. So this ain't about fat ass. I've seen some truly beautiful bums that were large in size. Also the same goes with clothing on women. This ain't about fat vs. skinny. It's about being in shape, maintaining oneself, their health and appearence. There's some really skelton looking women...who's bones I would not jump. Literally skin and bones. Geeesh, this could turn into a FAT thread though! LOL.. FAT BOTTOM Girls you make the Rockin World go round.. SO GET ON YOUR BIKES AND RIDE <---- priceless -----> Okay shoot me now!

sunshinemiss -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 4:29:38 AM)
*loves Freddie Mercury. YAY! (I used to have that very song on my answering machine - I said, "Sorry, I'm busy making the rocking world go round. Leave a message, I'll get back atcha when my world slows down." ) To Constanze - Yup - I've lost 20 pounds and none of the dudes noticed, but the chicks... yup. They all noticed. /end hijack...

sunshinemiss -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 4:33:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark A little extra ass can be a good thing![8D] .... speaking of real men....

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 4:38:16 AM)
To Constanze - seriously without trying to hit on you. You're hot. Totally no where near...what I was talking about nor thinking about. Come spend a day here where I live (you'll understand very quickly though). LOL Hell, you should see many of the men here too.. just as bad if not worse.

LillyBoPeep -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 4:45:25 AM)
when i started talking about exercising more, i had a few friends go "ew, don't be skinny!" or express other general disdainful attitudes about skinny people. when i STARTED exercising more and lost weigh, the women left in my life were very supportive because, over time, i weeded out the destructive ones. =p though i'm not sure what any of this has to do with society's attitudes towards men.

LadyConstanze -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 5:05:20 AM)
I just don't run around like that every day, I'll wear a suit when I attend meetings or talk with clients in person but most of the time I'm quietly beavering away on the computer and interact in emails or on the phone and I can tell you that then comfort and practicality is the order of the day, leggings and big T-shirts, jeans and sweaters and that kinda stuff. Walking 2 big dogs, you seriously can't look like a fashion plate, I like heels but would I want to run 10 miles in them over fields and along rivers? Betcha not, I broke my ankle last December by falling down the stairs (tripping over one of the cats, I swear it was an evil plan and cat planned to eat me because I put it on dry food), it's not something I want to repeat. Not all that difficult to look hot in skintight leather and with a leather corset and makeup, trust me, without makeup and in casual wear, I don't stop traffic. As a teenager I wouldn't have left the house without being glammed up, even if it was just going to the supermarket, now I really rather spend that time longer in the shower and relax and plan my day or use it for a walk. Perspectives change, as teen I would buy stuff that looked good but was desperately uncomfy, think I could bother with that now? But i understand what you're saying about people letting themselves go and dressing really bad on top of it, a few of my friends are plus sized and they do look great, because while being big they are healthy and they do dress well, on the other hand you get people that are plus sized and outta shape but they pour themselves into white lycra and proudly display all their lumps and bumps and think showing midriff that resembles a gigantic muffin top is a great idea. It's almost as bad as 50 or 60 year old women dressing up like Barbies or guys encountering their 3rd or 4th spring wearing the shirt open to the navel (just as bad as those wife beater shirts, ewww) and having low slung jeans where they treat you to a view of their ass crack...

Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 5:16:47 AM)
LillyBoPeep, It has to deal with society in general. It's the way both men and women look at themselves and each other.

DesFIP -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 5:33:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4 Prozac and other drugs do a great job at making people numb to emotions and disturbing thoughts. Pretty sad, that if they actually got some physical activitiy and a better diet their moods and sense of self value..might just be a little more healthier. This is such garbage, I don't even know where to start. People take SSRIs when the only emotions they have are the dark, self defeating, self hating and suicidal ones. Changing diet and exercise won't affect suicidal ideation at all. And if you aren't feeling anything, it's a sign to go back to the doctor and change the dosage or the medication because that's not the desired result. Bipolars are more likely to feel numb, just before they hit a bad depressive stage. Not a sign to go off the meds, a sign to call your doctor and therapist asap.

LadyConstanze -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 5:45:25 PM)
Excuse me, but despite not having a fully fledged depression but a thyroid disorder, when not medicated correctly depression is a side effect, you know how often I was offered antidepressants? Part of it is due to the docs not having time for patients because they have a 10 minute for every patient quota they need to fulfill, part of it is due that people actually want the quick fix pill. Not every depression can be cured by changing your lifestyle, but you can contribute a lot, only most people don't want to. Then you have the additional effect of people who were depressed and might have felt slightly suicidal, the antidepressants gave them enough boost to actually commit suicide. Far too many docs are far too ready to hand out pills without even bringing up alternatives.

sexyred1 -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 5:52:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4 Vanity itself does not equate to narcissism. Yet, this is what many people are taught to believe. In fact, women will give other women who take care of themselves a fucking hard time. Seriously, women can be the biggest bitches to one another compared to how any man would treat a women. At the same time, if a man say shit about stuff he risks being labeled a Misogynist. nah nah.. the world is in perfect order for many people, no matter how backwards it might appear. Again something that doesn't happen as often as some people would like you to believe it, I recently changed my diet around a bit, no major changes but just to tone up a bit more as I was doing more exercise and thought I might as well eat healthier, most guys didn't notice a change, but I got a lot of nice compliments from women. Women aren't always bitchy to each other or worry if somebody else might be more attractive. Sorry if I inject some unwanted realism, but my tits were possibly in a better shape when I was a teen, so why should I hate teenagers with perky tits? Nobody can stay 18 forever, no reason to let yourself go, agreed, but also no reason to sneer at anybody who's having some extra padding or who has better genes and a better butt. As long as I'm happy with myself and my other half, who really does give a rat's arse? I agree with you. I think men and some women LIKE to think that women are so bitchy to each other and act like jealous mean girls. In fact, I get alot of compliments from other women on my hair, make up, clothes, accessories, boobs, smile, etc. I always smile and say thank you and always, try to find something to compliment back. I also proactively tell other women nice things about their looks. It is so ridiculous to be a hater about looks; we all age and gravity will hit everyone. I always say if you are secure and confident you have no issues with others. If you start fat threads and criticize people on their looks, you need to look in the mirror first and see if you really like what you see. Oh and another thing; I am in NJ and NYC and I see far more beautiful women than I do attractive men on a daily basis. And I see far more larger women looking totally fabulous in these parts as well.

bigblock61 -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 6:15:38 PM)
After 5 pages of replies there is probably nothing that I can add. Yes it can be hard for a man to be a gentleman if he lets society dictate how he acts. If I pull out the chair for a lady or hold the door open for her, I really do not care what other people think. they can deal. I am who I am. Ok back to my meds.

TaskMistressAZ -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 6:18:49 PM)
Hard for men to be real men? As opposed to what? I had people try to fire me for not perming my hair, wearing makeup, and, high heels. I've been refused jobs that I could do, and look good while doing them, because, I refused to wear super tight mini-skirts, low cut sheer blouses, and, flirt with the clients. When men have to slap paint on their face just to be considered normal, then ask. Of course, another answer is: Yes. This society makes it hard for anyone to be a real human at all. So, of course, men are included.

LadyPact -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 6:28:28 PM)
Official ruling. As promised, I asked MP. He said it happened twice in his life. In his almost fifty years, I don't find that to be a very high percentage.

RapierFugue -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 6:36:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: texastgirl so do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men You think it's tough being a real man? Try being a surreal man. It's bloody murder sometimes.

nighthawk3569 -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 7:18:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IrishMist Same here, I have never had the problems that you list here. I will, however, answer the question that you posted. quote: so do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men and take control? No, I do not think that society has made it hard. I think that WOMEN have made it hard for men to be men. Exactly! Never heard it put better. Thanks, Irish Mist! 'hawk

Firebirdseeking -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 9:05:49 PM)
Sure sounds like whining to me.

ForcedEntry4her -> RE: do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men? (6/17/2011 9:38:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: texastgirl i mean used to when a man would open a door or pull out a chair for a woman it was called being a gentleman. now if he does it, hes called a pig or chauvinist. when a woman wants to be obedient to a man, society looks at her like shes not a real woman or something. a man takes control over his woman, and society looks at him like he must be forcing her or she must be a victim. so do you think society has made it hard for men to be real men and take control? So.... My ex-wife finds out I have a 24-7 slave. She takes me to court to get my kids taken away. My kids were never involved in any play. All behind closed doors and when they were gone. The judge publicly states for the record I must be perverted and be a sexual predator to abuse women like that. I had to have independent psych evals, a GAL, and I spent 2.5 years / 25,000$ to keep my kids. Any man that did what I did must be a predator /rapist and must be victimizing my "partner". The battle cry of domestic abuse. So yes, there is a stigma that any man that does what I did must be an abuser. It makes one gun-shy to ever post a picture or come out of the closet.

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