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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 8:13:28 AM   
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And when something goes tit's up, such as my daughter having (yet another) stroke last week......we simply do what we can. He's not interested in eliciting my attention when I've got important situations to sort out. Quite the opposite, it's more a case of * forget everything, just look after HER and get back to me when you can*.


I hope she is better soon, wow, that must be extraordinarily difficult situation.. my thoughts are with you.

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I'm quite surprised that there's such an impression of difficulty when it comes to being *owned*.


I think it depends on who is doing the owning as to how difficult it is

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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 8:18:23 AM   
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her Leader just likes a lot of control.
or not. it's not like i micro manage her day, controlling every aspect of her life, for fuck's sake. i didn't think i was going to have to detail all her fucking rules to make my point, i figured the two examples i gave would be sufficient to demonstrate the type of fucking thing i was talking about. heather has 6 things she must ask fucking permission for. there were others in the past, but they were dropped. there will probably be some new ones when she gets into school.

1. sweets/sugar. she's fucking diabetic and she has a sweet tooth and finds it hard to resist them. so no sweets without permission, unless her blood sugar is low, in which case she is required to have some.

2. no going out to parties, movies, dates, lunch or such shit without my permission. the exception to this is with either of her girlfriends, with whom she can go out with whenever the fuck she wants as long as it doesn't cut into my time.

3. no sex with anybody but her girlfriends without my permission. no exceptions. this doesn't include masturbation, she can frig herself all she fucking wants.

4.  no giving out our phone number or address without my ok, unless its an emergency situation.

5. she sticks to her allowance, and doesn't dip into the bank accounts without permission. and just so you know, i'm on an allowance as well. i just got a raise at work (a 3 fucking dollar an hour raise!!!) so i increased hers so its actually higher than mine. i do this because we're on a fucking budget, there isn't a lot of money and i'm trying to save for some important shit, like heather's university.

6. any request she encounters that she is uncomfortable about answering, but doesn't feel certain she should refuse/accept, depending on the situation.

now can you see why i say its fucking unreasonable of sr to expect i must make myself available 24/7 and never ever not answer a call asking for permission or i forfeit the right to make these rules? now do you see why its perfectly reasonable of me to expect heather to be able to survive just fine without having me available 24 fucking 7? why the odds of some situation arising that requires her to consult me immediately for clarification are slim enough that its safe to fucking assume she can deduce a reasonable guess at an acceptable answer?

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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 8:21:52 AM   
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If the s-type asks permission for something, is the d-type expected/required to answer? What if he doesn't answer or is too busy?


If the D says she has to ask, then yes, he should have to answer. Or he should make plans on what the sub should do if she can't contact him.




I do not think so, but hey, if my orgasm can't wait for an hour until he gets a moment to answer me, I suppose perhaps I picked the wrong relationship style to engage myself in..

that is just my opinion

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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 8:23:42 AM   
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Hannah...

that works in YOUR DYNAMIC...and for YOU

however once fucking more to make myself fucking clear in a fucking way you can fucking understand

THAT DOESNT FIT WHATS FUCKING REQUIRED OF ME IN THE DYNMAIC IM CURRENTLY IN.

These are not rules I made for myself these are rules from HIM im to follow and expectations I required to have FROM HIM.





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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 8:28:26 AM   
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then why the fuck did you spend so many fucking posts saying that a dom who makes such a rule MUST fucking be available. if you had of given your common sense answer at the beginning instead of continuing to fucking harp on about how a dominant had no right to fucking make such a rule unless he did shit the way your guy does, then nobody would have fucking disputed you.

don't blame others for answering your posts when you post stupid shit.


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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 8:33:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

then why the fuck did you spend so many fucking posts saying that a dom who makes such a rule MUST fucking be available. if you had of given your common sense answer at the beginning instead of continuing to fucking harp on about how a dominant had no right to fucking make such a rule unless he did shit the way your guy does, then nobody would have fucking disputed you.

don't blame others for answering your posts when you post stupid shit.



Because I did something most people do, I used my dynamic as my example for my opinion.

I still feel that if you make rules you should be around to follow through with them. Why? Because it works in the dynamic im currently in. And im sure when I find the Owner if my dreams, that we will have a long talk on how it will work for us.

And my opinion isnt stupid, its simply different from yours and hows yours work. It still a valid opinion and works well in the dynamic I'm in and have been in for a Year, its worked well for His submissive whos been with him going on 2 and a half years.


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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 8:38:01 AM   
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m simply NOT compatible with someone who NEEDS rules like Permissions but doesnt want the added hassle of being around to enforce those rules.


I never got "rule enforcement", I was involved for a few years with someone that would have kicked my ass to the curb the first time I said "you aren't enforcing your rules". I had some, like wearing restraints to bed, for example. I only had to ask "if other people are around when I am sleeping do I sleep with them off?", but really, I already knew he wouldn't want me to wear them camping with my family... so I didn't even need to ask it.

We did orgasm control for awhile too, tried it out, and I had to wait until I had permission. He lived over 300 miles away, so I had to reach him before I could.. he was not at my beck and call. I didn't die because I couldn't cum whenever I felt like it, no one lost their home, or their job, either.

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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 8:40:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

sweet mother mary's alabaster tits!



Please forgive the hijack but I just gotta say, the way I read that entire post (the part I deleted for bandwidth's sake ) as a very speedy verbal barrage (in my head) followed by a great big dramatic deep breath and then by the above.......has me cracking up hugely.

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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 8:47:20 AM   
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Because I did something most people do, I used my dynamic as my example for my opinion.
you didn't fucking do that til way into the thread. and after you did i stopped replying to you, i said if you found somebody who sees it your way you were really fucking lucky. the last one was a reply to lilly for fuck's sake. i mentioned you to show why i thought the view you had expressed was fucking unreasonable. you stated it as a fucking universal, and i was addressing that fucking aspect of it.

do try to keep up


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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 8:51:09 AM   
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I though my sigline was clear enough that what I post is my opinion and in my opinion only and that your mileage may vary. I didnt Know that i had to disclaimer every post as such But ill make the special exception just for you because you cant seem to grasp it.

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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 8:51:55 AM   
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Because I did something most people do, I used my dynamic as my example for my opinion.


Here is something that a lot of people do not understand when talking to others about relationships... saying "for me it wouldn't work" is a lot different statement than "it is wrong to do it the way you do"

As you can see, you didn't like people voicing their opinions about your dynamic, so perhaps in the future you might keep that in mind when discussing what other people do.

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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 8:56:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

I though my sigline was clear enough that what I post is my opinion and in my opinion only and that your mileage may vary. I didnt Know that i had to disclaimer every post as such But ill make the special exception just for you because you cant seem to grasp it.



When the content of your posts differs from the way you write your "opinions", which are we supposed to believe?

Some people on this forum devote a good deal of energy to their dynamic, as I am sure you do, and having a disclaimer about your "opinion" doesn't make your "opinion" any less judgmental or harsh.



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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 8:56:37 AM   
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Because I did something most people do, I used my dynamic as my example for my opinion.


Here is something that a lot of people do not understand when talking to others about relationships... saying "for me it wouldn't work" is a lot different statement than "it is wrong to do it the way you do"

As you can see, you didn't like people voicing their opinions about your dynamic, so perhaps in the future you might keep that in mind when discussing what other people do.


I suggest you go back and re-read in more then one post i state things like in my case, its not compatible with me, or other such things to express that what im stating is in my opinion and my interpretation. as well as every post in my sigline says what i say is my opinion.




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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 9:07:01 AM   
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hannah i think it's fairly obvious that a lot of people here follow and believe in a variety of different dynamics.
since apparently that reply was to me, you snippeted only one little bit of my post that fit whatever impression you were trying to make.
some people ARE into control more than you are. some people DO have an absolute kink about it. they WANT their s-folk to ask permission to go to the bathroom, or to leave the room, period. they WANT to be asked for permission eat certain things, or drink certain things. they want to construct a little ant farm where the submissive lives because that's simply what gets them off.
it has nothing to do with a person's intelligence or the assumed lack of it (which is my primary problem, not just in this thread, but the thread that this one is a spin-off from).

in my own relationship i had very few things i had to ask permission for, because M wasn't a guy into a whole bunch of permission-based control. but just because he wasn't doesn't mean that i think those who ARE into it are somehow invalid or stupid. hell, some people have software that allows their dominants to monitor their computer use or a GPS device that can track where they are at any given point in the day (both of which are often instituted at the behest of the dominant). does that mean that the dominant doesn't trust the s-type to be where she says she'll be? not necessary, perhaps that dominant (note, i'm talking in general terms about a hypothetical person, not talking about you and your dynamic in any way, shape or form) just likes to have that kind of control. does having peek software on a computer mean that the s-type is too stupid to use a computer on her own? no, it doesn't. the dominant just likes to be able to see what she's doing, because the "ant farm feeling" gets him off.

people often assume that those in relationships that emphasize control and permissions are somehow deficient in such a way that REQUIRES this kind of upkeep, and that's absolutely untrue. there's a CM member i met in the Passion for Submission chat who is very much into control, but he's also BEYOND intelligent and i can't imagine him being happy with someone who wasn't at least on par with his intellect. he doesn't want someone dumb, just someone he can control. control isn't about "fixing stupid," it's just a kink.

and as for the people on the other side of it, s-types have all sorts of reasons for seeking out that kind of dynamic with a Dominant. i have flirted with it myself because it hits my "objectification buttons." having to ask permission for basic things does something to my headspace that i like, but it certainly doesn't mean that i'm so deficient that it's required.
(i have no clue if a micromanaging relationship would work for me in a long-term basis, because i haven't tried it in a long-term basis. i'm not speaking to that end, simply to the motivations people might have for doing it, based off my own admittedly limited experience with it.)




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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 9:17:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Because I did something most people do, I used my dynamic as my example for my opinion.


Here is something that a lot of people do not understand when talking to others about relationships... saying "for me it wouldn't work" is a lot different statement than "it is wrong to do it the way you do"

As you can see, you didn't like people voicing their opinions about your dynamic, so perhaps in the future you might keep that in mind when discussing what other people do.


I suggest you go back and re-read in more then one post i state things like in my case, its not compatible with me, or other such things to express that what im stating is in my opinion and my interpretation. as well as every post in my sigline says what i say is my opinion.





I think you need to refer back to this post and see why the discussion ended up the way it did.
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3734932

Hannah was responding of how it works in her relationship and how calling at her job wouldn't work for her... you judged that.

Most people do not get jobs where they have a lot of autonomy before age 30, Hannah is under the age of 30, therefore she has a boss she reports to and at her job she cannot call when she pleases (or accept them). The way Heather and Hannah do things works for them, so you arguing about it makes little sense to me.

Most of us do not need to call our bosses all night either.. so the analogy seems strange to me.

It also set up Hannah to defend herself to you.... and then it spiraled from there.

Hey, if you want to have more of the same, don't look at how it all came down. No skin off my nose, just saying, most people will defend their partnership, that is kinda how most of us roll.

I have learned something about CM a long time ago, admitting when I am mistaken or when I may have accidentally given offense rather than arguing about something until the last dog is hung, a much better way of doing things for me personally. Not that I will back away from arguing a point when I feel I am right and I feel it is important...

This discussion, not all that important, different people have different ways of doing things, we can learn from each other, or not, the choice is ours.



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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 9:20:56 AM   
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using fast reply...

wow, I go to bed and three more pages pop up. Who knew there would be such discussion over asking a question, that has nothing to do about needs. In many ways, I think the needs are the easy part; it's the wants that seem to cause the most debate.

Here in our house, our wants wait until he decides to answer. As he stated, most times he is available to answer, but sometimes he isn't. It would be highly unrealistic for Alandra and I to expect him to be available all the time. Recently, there was a week where he was unavailable for 3 - 4 days due to massive wildfires we had in the area. The most we received was a quick call or text "I'm still alive, love you both" Alandra and I did without many wants that week and we didn't fall apart or feel unloved or unwanted.

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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 9:30:29 AM   
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i can dig that lilly. i didn't think i implied that more control implied less intelligence, and if i did i certainly didn't fucking mean to. i mean come on for god's sake, heather's into it, probably to a greater degree than me. and there should be no fucking doubt in anybody's mind how highly i regard her intelligence.

when i made the comment about the number of rules reflecting well on her, it was in the context of my only putting needed rules in place. rather than to imply that somebody into rules simply for the sake of controlling would need anybody fucking dumber in order to do so.

myself i would find that ant farm level of control fucking exhausting. i do sometimes tell heather what to wear, but that is more based on a "yum, she'd look fucking edible in that red sundress" than a "you'll wear what i say because i say so". i pretty much decide what we have for supper because i fucking cook it. so "tough shit my pretty little slut your, getting chicken instead of pork chops because that's what's thawed and that's what i'm fucking making."

every once in a while we do go for greater degrees of control, because it is fun. it pushes some of my buttons and some of hers, particularly if i can involve a little sadism into it. sorry, but its fucking fun to watch her squirming on the couch sometimes because she needs to pee and i'm making her hold it. <weg>.


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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 9:33:29 AM   
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it's the wants that seem to cause the most debate.


Even when you don't have a dom... I just debate it with myself these days

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It would be highly unrealistic for Alandra and I to expect him to be available all the time.


I think most of us can consider that there will be times when a dominant cannot answer their phone... I would not expect any human being to be at my constant beck and call, personally. If that expectation works for others, then that it works for them.

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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 9:34:29 AM   
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I think you need to refer back to this post and see why the discussion ended up the way it did.
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3734932

Hannah was responding of how it works in her relationship and how calling at her job wouldn't work for her... you judged that.

Most people do not get jobs where they have a lot of autonomy before age 30, Hannah is under the age of 30, therefore she has a boss she reports to and at her job she cannot call when she pleases (or accept them). The way Heather and Hannah do things works for them, so you arguing about it makes little sense to me.

Most of us do not need to call our bosses all night either.. so the analogy seems strange to me.

It also set up Hannah to defend herself to you.... and then it spiraled from there.

Hey, if you want to have more of the same, don't look at how it all came down. No skin off my nose, just saying, most people will defend their partnership, that is kinda how most of us roll.

I have learned something about CM a long time ago, admitting when I am mistaken or when I may have accidentally given offense rather than arguing about something until the last dog is hung, a much better way of doing things for me personally. Not that I will back away from arguing a point when I feel I am right and I feel it is important...

This discussion, not all that important, different people have different ways of doing things, we can learn from each other, or not, the choice is ours.




Yes I used an example that can only be applied to my situation and dynamic about my work. Then Hannah told me repeatedly i was incompetent because at times i need to call my boss multiple times to get things done.  I am right as in over and over Ive stated in my case in my situation in my opinion its not compatible for me. Im not going write or state it in every single post because its not necessary if ive stated once or twice already.

In my situation im to call my boss as many times as i need in one night, As I stated before earlier this week it was required for me to call my boss several times because everything went to hell in a handbasket. It fits her comment of if this was work would you expect the same situation, the answer is yes I do expect my boss to answer any questions i might have about anything that i do. And Yes he does answer those questions. Yes i have the common sense to wait if I can but some times I cant.


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RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 9:36:38 AM   
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when i made the comment about the number of rules reflecting well on her, it was in the context of my only putting needed rules in place. rather than to imply that somebody into rules simply for the sake of controlling would need anybody fucking dumber in order to do so.


I got what you were saying, I think I did, anyways... your rules of asking permission deal with the health and welfare of Heather. For you it would not work to have a bunch of other rules, and you trust Heather to be sensible... not that people who have a lot of rules aren't sensible.

Perhaps I am wrong about that, but that is how I interpreted it.

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