Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Seeking Permissions


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Seeking Permissions Page: <<   < prev  2 3 [4] 5 6   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 6:50:14 AM   
HannahLynHeather


Posts: 2950
Joined: 4/4/2011
From: where it's at
Status: offline
yeah i did, but i meant to fucking say "without" rather than "with"

thanks for catching that


_____________________________

clique? i don't need no stinking clique!

fuck a duck ~w. disney

My Twitter: http://twitter.com/HannahFuck

i hope you enjoyed the post, and as always my friends....have a nice day

(in reply to kalikshama)
Profile   Post #: 61
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 6:59:04 AM   
SpiritedRadiance


Posts: 1341
Joined: 3/3/2010
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

They have a rule book that is over 3 inches thick and then there is policies and procedures that they also have which are as equally thick. On occassion, I get calls that are just stupid and needless. If they paid attention to the processes that are already in place, they would of had there answer so times it alittlle coaching is needed in these cases. On extremely rare occassions a call comes in that isn't covered by the processes in place.... but you can bet your ass that it will be in place after the call.


Its nice to work in a company with such covered bases. My company however does not have such procedures or processes.

Im the first person to make the company 24/7 Im the first time in the companys 8 years that situations have come up such as they have. So alot of my job is playing it by ear. Theres no set rule book for the most part the procedures in place are ones Ive drawn up and created.

I rarely have to call my boss, but if the need arises I call freely, Earlier this week for example, I had a situation that was in my opinion a crisis, I called my boss 4 times in a row for him to pick up because it needed to be addressed then not later not whenever but at that moment. That situation was effecting our entire network, Not only did I call him but i woke up the majority of my team mates and requested they get online and help, and every other engineer in our company. Why? Because shit hit the fan and it hit big. I work the shift i work because its understood I dont call my boss if I dont have too but if I have to, I do.

My point is, in my company its understood that with a requirement of us being 24/7 that people are going to need to be available 24/7 which means calls at three am, coming to the office at all hours and other such things. It means that when you have a young woman whos in the building all by herself. That at times a random person in the parking lot is going to freak her out and calls will be made.

If they want 24/7 they need to realize it comes with responsibilities.
If you want a dog it comes with responsibilities,
If you want a submissive who needs permissions it comes with responsibilities.

Thats my point and my only point if you want a situation that requires a level of control like permissions, you should realize that means being called and texted and emailed of those things being requested. Are you required to respond to everyone? No, but you need a submissive who understands and expects that.

In my current situation it would be answered no matter what was going on. In your dynamic I can see that thats not the case. Its just a differences in whats expected and required. Nothing more nothing less.



_____________________________

"Theres nothing in life like the feeling of cool leather sliding over your skin, the tears that fill your eyes as you realize someone else thinks you deserve it even if you havent reached that conclusion yet"- Forever to remember 11/5/11

(in reply to KnightofMists)
Profile   Post #: 62
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 7:12:18 AM   
KnightofMists


Posts: 7149
Joined: 7/29/2005
Status: offline

quote:

In my current situation it would be answered no matter what was going on.


and this is where I have the issue... becuase this is unrealistic! NO one can ensure that they will answer every single call that ever comes. I know that about 99 percent of the time I am able to take all my calls.. work and girls! I am on the phone alot. In our region, I am consistently in the top three for monthly phone bills at work. Most calls i don't immediately get because I am on a call with someone else... on occassion I am on the toilet... sometimes.. I am driving where there is NO phone access.

The point is... even 1% failure means one can't achieve the answer no matter what. The key is being able to establish the processes and guidelines that can handle that 1/% of the situtions. I see no reason to establish unrealistic expecations of 'answer no matter what". I dont' set my girls up to fail... and I sure don't set myself up to fail either.

_____________________________

Knight of Mists

An Optimal relationship is achieved when the individuals do what is best for themselves and their relationship.

(in reply to SpiritedRadiance)
Profile   Post #: 63
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 7:14:05 AM   
ranja


Posts: 2111
Joined: 11/1/2007
Status: offline
There are plenty of things i ask permission about
not really D/s related or maybe it always was
i never would have gone out with my girl friends without asking him first
or buy new furniture or start painting the house
or even gone to the doctor about something (he would always know what's up and if i'd need to see a medical person he most likely would come with me)
or start a new hobby, especially if a lot of gear is required
or get a dog or any other pet
or lend anybody lots of money
or book a holiday

these are just common sense things, a couple should run these things past their other half as far as i am concerned

Then again He might tell me that He had decided to do something like lending money to somebody, whereas i would ask Him if i could.
He might say He wants that settee and i might ask if i can have that other one... as i am very indecisive i would most likely like a few and then He would chose

As for other permission things
mainly luxury... new clothes, shoes, chocolate, booze, computer time
and i ask for permission to wank
the main reason behind it is so that He knows my sex drive
and i think it is quite sexy to ask Him aswell
if He is not there to answer... i might have an accident on occasion.... which He might punish me for... mmmm

(in reply to kyraofMists)
Profile   Post #: 64
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 7:17:30 AM   
KnightofMists


Posts: 7149
Joined: 7/29/2005
Status: offline

quote:

While I personally find micro managing a negative, I wonder if this leads to a deeper bond in humans as well? I suppose it could also lead to enmeshment and unhealthy dependence. Thoughts?



this is a interesting question... and I think it deserves it's own thread... stay tune!!!

_____________________________

Knight of Mists

An Optimal relationship is achieved when the individuals do what is best for themselves and their relationship.

(in reply to kalikshama)
Profile   Post #: 65
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 7:19:57 AM   
SpiritedRadiance


Posts: 1341
Joined: 3/3/2010
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists


quote:

In my current situation it would be answered no matter what was going on.


and this is where I have the issue... becuase this is unrealistic! NO one can ensure that they will answer every single call that ever comes. I know that about 99 percent of the time I am able to take all my calls.. work and girls! I am on the phone alot. In our region, I am consistently in the top three for monthly phone bills at work. Most calls i don't immediately get because I am on a call with someone else... on occassion I am on the toilet... sometimes.. I am driving where there is NO phone access.

The point is... even 1% failure means one can't achieve the answer no matter what. The key is being able to establish the processes and guidelines that can handle that 1/% of the situtions. I see no reason to establish unrealistic expecations of 'answer no matter what". I dont' set my girls up to fail... and I sure don't set myself up to fail either.


I understand that, but those are my rules from the owner of the house I belong to, no more no less, no matter how realistic or unrealistic. Ive not missed a single call from him or one vice versa, but rarely do I need to call him for anything. Usually its the reverse because I missed and event and He wants to make sure everything is alright with me.

If i get involved in a D/s dymaic that has a situation like asking for permission, Im sure we will discuss it at lenght and adjust it as necessary till it fits Him and myself, If it becomes an issue with my schedule and His where permissions arent a good fit then so be it. But i can only give advice on how it works for me and it works in the Year Ive belonged to His house, Ive never once missed on of His calls, nor has he ever once missed mine.


_____________________________

"Theres nothing in life like the feeling of cool leather sliding over your skin, the tears that fill your eyes as you realize someone else thinks you deserve it even if you havent reached that conclusion yet"- Forever to remember 11/5/11

(in reply to KnightofMists)
Profile   Post #: 66
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 7:19:58 AM   
LillyBoPeep


Posts: 6873
Joined: 12/29/2010
Status: offline
^^ good point, i'll go make some oatmeal while i continue formulating a reply. =p 

_____________________________

Midwestern Girl

"Obey your Master." Metallica


(in reply to KnightofMists)
Profile   Post #: 67
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 7:20:24 AM   
LaTigresse


Posts: 26123
Joined: 1/15/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

quote:

if you had a submissive who had such expectations as i do that you wouldnt take on someone like me
don't worry, there isn't a fucking chance in hell of that ever happening, i want a sensible girl with unreasonable expectations.


If you wouldnt mind keeping your personal attacks to yourself, Its not necessary.

Im Not unreasonable, Nor am I lacking of sense However that might be called into question because I'm doing little more then debating points with a wall....Im simply NOT compatible with someone who NEEDS rules like Permissions but doesnt want the added hassle of being around to enforce those rules.




Pot, meet kettle. And not once but twice per the post #41.

As for the OP, as a manager I actually think job comparisons are quite appropriate.

Here, we have a rather loose work protocol. It works for us in most areas. Of course we do, as with most places, have one person that even after eleven years at the same job with very little change to his job, cannot seem to quite function with out a lot of dumbassery. He is the one that asks questions he already knows the answers to and refuses to EVER make a decision himself. I see that as 1. laziness and 2. a learned behaviour based upon his childhood and other relationships.

I have the ability, through protocol of the company, to fire him. I choose not to because the pros outweigh the cons. If, at some point, the cons out weigh the pros, I will send him on his way. But until that point, I prefer to work with his strengths and his weaknesses while constantly trying to encourage improvement.

Not much different than our personal relationships.

Ideally, if I could choose a brand new person to fulfill that position, I would chose one that is stronger in the areas he is weak.

In personal relationships, specifically M/s, we tend to choose people that we feel we are most compatible with. Level of control, micro managing, delegating, more protocol or less. For myself, I like the examples that KoM, Kyra, Hannah and Heather have given.

I believe that once established, there should be less need to ask in many cases. You've learned what the expectations and boundaries are and should not need to continue asking. For ME, that would be an important goal. I put up with enough stupidity here at work. I don't want to go home to more of the same.


< Message edited by LaTigresse -- 6/22/2011 7:25:53 AM >


_____________________________

My twisted, self deprecating, sense of humour, finds alot to laugh about, in your lack of one!

Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

(in reply to SpiritedRadiance)
Profile   Post #: 68
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 7:21:39 AM   
HannahLynHeather


Posts: 2950
Joined: 4/4/2011
From: where it's at
Status: offline
i didn't fucking say you were unreasonable, i said your expectations were. and i'm fucking sorry, but to me having unreasonable expectations isn't sensible. so there was no personal attack.

i would apply the exact same thing to myself.
if i fucking expected heather to follow the letter of my directive in each and every situation, however fucking unexpected or unforeseen, rather than it's spirit. that would be an unreasonable expectation on my part, correct? and it wouldn't be fucking sensible either would it? so i wouldn't be a sensible domme/owner/boss/whatever because i had such unreasonable expectations.

none of the things she needs permission for is the sort of thing that would put her at risk in any but the strangest of fucking circumstances, and as many of those as we can think of have fucking well been discussed. and guess what, like kofm's girls, she has guidelines to follow in case something totally fucking new comes up. she's plenty smart enough to figure shit out based on those.

since her needs have been covered in the discussion of the rule, that leaves her wants. i don't give a fuck how badly she wants to get it on with the cute girl she met at the store, i'm not going to fucking drop everything just to say "no". just because you can't fucking rein yourself in when you get the hots for some stud and want to fuck, doesn't mean everybody else has the same fucking lack of self control.

if she wants permission for something she'll look at the time or consider where the fuck or what i am doing before she decides to call me. just like any sensible person would. this idea that in order for your dom to institute a rule he has to make himself available to you 24/7 just so you don't have to use common sense or simple discretion is fucking ludicrous. if you've found one that sees shit your way, then you're really fucking lucky!


_____________________________

clique? i don't need no stinking clique!

fuck a duck ~w. disney

My Twitter: http://twitter.com/HannahFuck

i hope you enjoyed the post, and as always my friends....have a nice day

(in reply to SpiritedRadiance)
Profile   Post #: 69
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 7:22:50 AM   
LillyBoPeep


Posts: 6873
Joined: 12/29/2010
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

I understand that, but those are my rules from the owner of the house I belong to, no more no less, no matter how realistic or unrealistic. Ive not missed a single call from him or one vice versa, but rarely do I need to call him for anything. Usually its the reverse because I missed and event and He wants to make sure everything is alright with me.

If i get involved in a D/s dymaic that has a situation like asking for permission, Im sure we will discuss it at lenght and adjust it as necessary till it fits Him and myself, If it becomes an issue with my schedule and His where permissions arent a good fit then so be it. But i can only give advice on how it works for me and it works in the Year Ive belonged to His house, Ive never once missed on of His calls, nor has he ever once missed mine.



that's a great post, SR
it seems a lot of times in these discussions that people assume it's somehow the s-type requiring "too much communication" when sometimes, as hard as it may be to believe, it's the guy who makes the rules! arguing about the functionality of a dynamic, at the end of the day, serves no purpose because any dynamic you can think of probably works for SOMEONE out there in the world, no matter how "unrealistic" it may seem to us.

that's why it annoys me when people assume that a girl who is required to ask permissions must be a doofus -- no, she's probably not, her Leader just likes a lot of control. that's all.


_____________________________

Midwestern Girl

"Obey your Master." Metallica


(in reply to SpiritedRadiance)
Profile   Post #: 70
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 7:30:14 AM   
KnightofMists


Posts: 7149
Joined: 7/29/2005
Status: offline

quote:


If i get involved in a D/s dymaic that has a situation like asking for permission, Im sure we will discuss it at lenght and adjust it as necessary till it fits Him and myself,



I am sure you will.. As I understand it from you not in such a situation now and you already discussed at length on this thread that is about asking about permissions. I can only image how much more you would want to say if you had some personal perspective of actually doing it.

_____________________________

Knight of Mists

An Optimal relationship is achieved when the individuals do what is best for themselves and their relationship.

(in reply to SpiritedRadiance)
Profile   Post #: 71
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 7:33:52 AM   
SpiritedRadiance


Posts: 1341
Joined: 3/3/2010
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists


quote:


If i get involved in a D/s dymaic that has a situation like asking for permission, Im sure we will discuss it at lenght and adjust it as necessary till it fits Him and myself,



I am sure you will.. As I understand it from you not in such a situation now and you already discussed at length on this thread that is about asking about permissions. I can only image how much more you would want to say if you had some personal perspective of actually doing it.


I do have personal perspective of actually doing it, As I've stated more then once, I have rules I have to follow if I wish to remain a member of Max's house, And those rules have been stated previously.

I should also Add Max is a truck driver and works anywhere between 80 and 90 hours a week and still manages to pick up the phone If I have to call him, or If his submissive has to call him.

While Everyone might not be you and your dynamic. It works in the dynamic I'm currently in, His submissive has stricter rules of permission and still he manages to be available for her to ask and receive a prompt answer. It works for the three of us and has worked for over a year. Just as Your dynamic has worked for you for over 6.




_____________________________

"Theres nothing in life like the feeling of cool leather sliding over your skin, the tears that fill your eyes as you realize someone else thinks you deserve it even if you havent reached that conclusion yet"- Forever to remember 11/5/11

(in reply to KnightofMists)
Profile   Post #: 72
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 7:42:10 AM   
KnightofMists


Posts: 7149
Joined: 7/29/2005
Status: offline

quote:

, have one person that even after eleven years at the same job with very little change to his job, cannot seem to quite function with out a lot of dumbassery. He is the one that asks questions he already knows the answers to and refuses to EVER make a decision himself. I see that as 1. laziness and 2. a learned behaviour based upon his childhood and other relationships.

I have the ability, through protocol of the company, to fire him. I choose not to because the pros outweigh the cons. If, at some point, the cons out weigh the pros, I will send him on his way. But until that point, I prefer to work with his strengths and his weaknesses while constantly trying to encourage improvement.



ok... you are alot more patient than I would be. But maybe I am still sensitive of the last Dumassery call that I recieved at 1 in the morning... "when to do I work next"???? What the fuck!!!! you call me to wake me to ask when you work next... you drunk.. no... damn that means your stupid!!!!! After a 15 minute response.. which never gave him an answer... I don't think he will ever call me with such stupidity again... Just so you know... there is a process for him to call even in the middle of the night that would of given him that exact information. The call was needless!!! sometimes it's sink or swim! He new the process! and unfortunately he showed up where he was suppose too! It would of been sweet to fire him! But... I have already started along that path with him... did a formal investigation on him last week.... a couple more and he is gone!!! Yes... I am a hard ass.. and I do demand and hold accountable my people to a high standard. Becuase of that... very very few would even want to entertain a relationship with me.. or even get into one with me.

_____________________________

Knight of Mists

An Optimal relationship is achieved when the individuals do what is best for themselves and their relationship.

(in reply to LaTigresse)
Profile   Post #: 73
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 7:42:25 AM   
ranja


Posts: 2111
Joined: 11/1/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather
i don't give a fuck how badly she wants to get it on with the cute girl she met at the store, i'm not going to fucking drop everything just to say "no".


if the answer will be so obviously NO... (as it would be in my case)...
i don't see why anybody in that *predicament* would even consider asking permission for it in the first place... unless it is to seriously piss off their partner... and i suppose there are some fuckers like that, mind fucks are not only done by Dominants it seems

(in reply to HannahLynHeather)
Profile   Post #: 74
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 7:52:48 AM   
KnightofMists


Posts: 7149
Joined: 7/29/2005
Status: offline

quote:

I do have personal perspective of actually doing it, As I've stated more then once, I have rules I have to follow if I wish to remain a member of Max's house, And those rules have been stated previously.





but yet you stated this....

quote:

If i get involved in a D/s dymaic that has a situation like asking for permission, Im sure we will discuss it at lenght and adjust it as necessary till it fits Him and myself,


So.. are you in a D/s dynamic that requires you to ask permissions or not!!? The IF would imply that you are not... but yet the first comment I quoted would imply that you are.

So.. just to be clear.... and it really is only a simple yes or no.....

Are you in a relationsihp that requires you to ASK permissions?

_____________________________

Knight of Mists

An Optimal relationship is achieved when the individuals do what is best for themselves and their relationship.

(in reply to SpiritedRadiance)
Profile   Post #: 75
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 7:56:31 AM   
LaTigresse


Posts: 26123
Joined: 1/15/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists


quote:

, have one person that even after eleven years at the same job with very little change to his job, cannot seem to quite function with out a lot of dumbassery. He is the one that asks questions he already knows the answers to and refuses to EVER make a decision himself. I see that as 1. laziness and 2. a learned behaviour based upon his childhood and other relationships.

I have the ability, through protocol of the company, to fire him. I choose not to because the pros outweigh the cons. If, at some point, the cons out weigh the pros, I will send him on his way. But until that point, I prefer to work with his strengths and his weaknesses while constantly trying to encourage improvement.



ok... you are alot more patient than I would be. But maybe I am still sensitive of the last Dumassery call that I recieved at 1 in the morning... "when to do I work next"???? What the fuck!!!! you call me to wake me to ask when you work next... you drunk.. no... damn that means your stupid!!!!! After a 15 minute response.. which never gave him an answer... I don't think he will ever call me with such stupidity again... Just so you know... there is a process for him to call even in the middle of the night that would of given him that exact information. The call was needless!!! sometimes it's sink or swim! He new the process! and unfortunately he showed up where he was suppose too! It would of been sweet to fire him! But... I have already started along that path with him... did a formal investigation on him last week.... a couple more and he is gone!!! Yes... I am a hard ass.. and I do demand and hold accountable my people to a high standard. Becuase of that... very very few would even want to entertain a relationship with me.. or even get into one with me.


Not really.

The reality is, with the type of job he does there are usually two types of people that gravitate towards that career. Rarely, almost never, do you get the positive qualities of both types in one person. With all of his 'cons', he has some 'pros' that work well for our very small company. Most of the divas that I've interviewed would never even consider doing some of the other tasks he does without complaint. And he has one big pro that is very beneficial to our company, he has a clue of the whole process. Something that is seriously lacking in the education required for his degree.

If that makes any sense at all.

In my personal relationships.......specifically a M/s relationship.......I will always be a lot more fussy because I create all the parameters and expectations. At work, I only enforce those set by the owner. At home, I am the 'owner'.


< Message edited by LaTigresse -- 6/22/2011 8:00:41 AM >


_____________________________

My twisted, self deprecating, sense of humour, finds alot to laugh about, in your lack of one!

Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

(in reply to KnightofMists)
Profile   Post #: 76
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 8:01:29 AM   
KnightofMists


Posts: 7149
Joined: 7/29/2005
Status: offline
yeah.. makes perfect sense... he's isn't perfect... but he is as perfect to the job as one is able to find!!!! It' one of those needle in the haystack type of jobs.... and seldom do you find the right needle for that kinda of job.

_____________________________

Knight of Mists

An Optimal relationship is achieved when the individuals do what is best for themselves and their relationship.

(in reply to LaTigresse)
Profile   Post #: 77
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 8:01:53 AM   
SpiritedRadiance


Posts: 1341
Joined: 3/3/2010
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists


quote:

I do have personal perspective of actually doing it, As I've stated more then once, I have rules I have to follow if I wish to remain a member of Max's house, And those rules have been stated previously.





but yet you stated this....

quote:

If i get involved in a D/s dymaic that has a situation like asking for permission, Im sure we will discuss it at lenght and adjust it as necessary till it fits Him and myself,


So.. are you in a D/s dynamic that requires you to ask permissions or not!!? The IF would imply that you are not... but yet the first comment I quoted would imply that you are.

So.. just to be clear.... and it really is only a simple yes or no.....

Are you in a relationsihp that requires you to ASK permissions?


The household that I serve in I am not a submissive to, therefor we do not have a D/s dynamic. I am in a type of relationship you could describe it that Does require permission. I am in service to the Household however I am not owned nor collared to the Dominant who runs the house.


_____________________________

"Theres nothing in life like the feeling of cool leather sliding over your skin, the tears that fill your eyes as you realize someone else thinks you deserve it even if you havent reached that conclusion yet"- Forever to remember 11/5/11

(in reply to KnightofMists)
Profile   Post #: 78
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 8:03:52 AM   
KnightofMists


Posts: 7149
Joined: 7/29/2005
Status: offline
aaaww some clarity... so you are required to ask permissions in the relationship you are in. correct?

_____________________________

Knight of Mists

An Optimal relationship is achieved when the individuals do what is best for themselves and their relationship.

(in reply to SpiritedRadiance)
Profile   Post #: 79
RE: Seeking Permissions - 6/22/2011 8:07:55 AM   
SpiritedRadiance


Posts: 1341
Joined: 3/3/2010
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

aaaww some clarity... so you are required to ask permissions in the relationship you are in. correct?


Yes
If  Max calls I am to pick up No ifs no ans no buts,
If i wish to play with any Male I have to ask first
If I need him Im to call him, He will pick up, no ifs no ans, no buts... Im not to wait till the next time I see him, Im to call and ask if i need something that requires Him or His input.



< Message edited by SpiritedRadiance -- 6/22/2011 8:09:18 AM >


_____________________________

"Theres nothing in life like the feeling of cool leather sliding over your skin, the tears that fill your eyes as you realize someone else thinks you deserve it even if you havent reached that conclusion yet"- Forever to remember 11/5/11

(in reply to KnightofMists)
Profile   Post #: 80
Page:   <<   < prev  2 3 [4] 5 6   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> RE: Seeking Permissions Page: <<   < prev  2 3 [4] 5 6   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.109