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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 7:31:01 AM

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Update, our regular vet is back from her vacation and she said she doesn't mind if we bring him over, she's officially still off until next week but doesn't mind interrupting her house cleaning for her faves (she loves the 2 monsters as she's a big Dobie fan herself and did her thesis about them), checked the wound out and said it's quite infected, we have to stop him from licking it, so we put a T-shirt on him (he goes a bit mental with collars) and he's now a stylish, even if slightly pissed off dog.

Tomorrow morning he's going to have surgery, they need to cut around the wound, take all the infected tissue out and then sew it together, else he'd have a gaping wound for a long time and the infection could spread through his body, advised me to wear sturdy Doc Martens with a steel cap if I run into the other owner again and clutch a roll of Pennies, said since the dog has such a track record of bites (dogs and humans and even causing the death of 2 dogs) and the owner doesn't put a muzzle on him or keep him on the lead, she recommends to put the owner and the dog down, the dog quick and painless as it's not his fault that some moron never trained him....

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 7:32:44 AM

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Thanks for the update, I was wondering how they were doing.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 7:52:32 AM

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Update, our regular vet is back from her vacation and she said she doesn't mind if we bring him over, she's officially still off until next week but doesn't mind interrupting her house cleaning for her faves (she loves the 2 monsters as she's a big Dobie fan herself and did her thesis about them), checked the wound out and said it's quite infected, we have to stop him from licking it, so we put a T-shirt on him (he goes a bit mental with collars) and he's now a stylish, even if slightly pissed off dog.

Tomorrow morning he's going to have surgery, they need to cut around the wound, take all the infected tissue out and then sew it together, else he'd have a gaping wound for a long time and the infection could spread through his body, advised me to wear sturdy Doc Martens with a steel cap if I run into the other owner again and clutch a roll of Pennies, said since the dog has such a track record of bites (dogs and humans and even causing the death of 2 dogs) and the owner doesn't put a muzzle on him or keep him on the lead, she recommends to put the owner and the dog down, the dog quick and painless as it's not his fault that some moron never trained him....

That floors me that your laws are weak over there. Here there would be thousands of $ in fees, and the dog would have been isolated, and for repeat offenses- they will destroy the dog here. The owner is fully responsible for the dog... it is "leash laws". Which means the owner must have full control of their dog at all times. I know of one gal who making payments in $2500 due to her dog biting someone. Some home owners ins will not insure a home with a large dog in it.

PS- it is good news that your vet can help you.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 8:13:27 AM

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This whole story just makes me sad. Sad that your dogs are traumatized physically & emotionally, sad that the Jack Russell has been allowed to do the shit that it does. I had a little dog who we believe was part Jack & had been feral for the first 7-9 months of his life. I trained him very well in order to prevent this sort of thing. Because if he had ever exhibited this type of behavior, I would have put him down myself. I also always had him on a leash when we weren't at home inside. His best friends were a pit bull-type & 2 large greyhounds. He loved these big dogs & never exhibited any aggressive behavior toward them. The first time I took him into Petco a larger young dog tried to play with him & it terrified him. He screamed & I had to take him out to the car & hold him & soothe him. But he never ever tried to attack any other animals.

I do hope that your boy gets better, because it's obvious to me that he's a wonderful dog & you love him very much. You've been so good to both of them & it just breaks my heart to read about this attack. My healing thoughts are sent out to the Universe for all of you.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 8:54:20 AM

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That floors me that your laws are weak over there. Here there would be thousands of $ in fees, and the dog would have been isolated, and for repeat offenses- they will destroy the dog here. The owner is fully responsible for the dog... it is "leash laws". Which means the owner must have full control of their dog at all times. I know of one gal who making payments in $2500 due to her dog biting someone. Some home owners ins will not insure a home with a large dog in it.

PS- it is good news that your vet can help you.

What floors me is that you really don't get a thing!!! Hello, if you do not know WHO THE FUCKING OWNER IS then you can't make the owner responsible.

Again, just for you: THEY HAVE TO FIND THE OWNER FIRST, yes there are laws, duh, I guess you don't have laws regarding theft? Now how many pick pockets get arrested? If somebody steals your wallet and is gone, are your laws weak?

I honestly wish you would THINK on occasion.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 9:02:01 AM

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Linea, took the girl out today and she met her friend, a little Westie and they were playing and quite friendly, I kept her on the leash first as I was a bit worried that she might get a bit skittish, then just gave her the stay command, when it was obvious that she was looking forward to playing with her little friend, let her go and no signs of her being terrified or traumatized, also her bites are only punctures and according to our vet healing well.

The boy looks very stylish in his T-shirt (thought he might well go designer - well actually it was the first white T that came to hand and it's long enough as he's large), he won't like the surgery but I intend to treat him really well when I pick him up from the vet in the afternoon, went and got him another blanket for his bed and an extra big chewy, so he can recuperate in comfort... Glad we got it and the quicker it's done the better.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 9:07:51 AM

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That floors me that your laws are weak over there. Here there would be thousands of $ in fees, and the dog would have been isolated, and for repeat offenses- they will destroy the dog here. The owner is fully responsible for the dog... it is "leash laws". Which means the owner must have full control of their dog at all times. I know of one gal who making payments in $2500 due to her dog biting someone. Some home owners ins will not insure a home with a large dog in it.

PS- it is good news that your vet can help you.

What floors me is that you really don't get a thing!!! Hello, if you do not know WHO THE FUCKING OWNER IS then you can't make the owner responsible.

Again, just for you: THEY HAVE TO FIND THE OWNER FIRST, yes there are laws, duh, I guess you don't have laws regarding theft? Now how many pick pockets get arrested? If somebody steals your wallet and is gone, are your laws weak?

I honestly wish you would THINK on occasion.

And that dog had no tag? No tag means animal control would take it then and there. You clobbered him with a purse, if that had occurred in PA both parties would have been cited.

It sounds like total anarchy in the UK where no one has civility. You have CCTV and NOTHING can be done over an every day dog bite. They happen every day.

Carry some pepper spray- next time you can spray the mad dog....

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 9:15:20 AM

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Good to hear that you are back to your competent vet, and good luck for the poor boy tomorrow.

There are overalls specially designed to keep a dog from a wound, some vets even rent them out after a operation. Much humaner than those dreaded cones.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 9:20:11 AM

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And that dog had no tag? No tag means animal control would take it then and there. You clobbered him with a purse, if that had occurred in PA both parties would have been cited.

It sounds like total anarchy in the UK where no one has civility. You have CCTV and NOTHING can be done over an every day dog bite. They happen every day.

Carry some pepper spray- next time you can spray the mad dog....

You got a brain? If so just use it to THINK once or twice!

A snarling dog who's already bitten, and you would pick him up to check if he has a tag and what's on the tag? I hope I'll never be THAT stupid!

So there is a guy with an out of control dog, and a whole country has no civility and it's anarchy? That's an exceptionally stupid comment, even if I consider the source!

As for CCTV, yeah, right, you got that along country side walks? Where? You got CCTV in cities. And guess what? I don't really expect the cops to send out helicopters and a SWAT team to search the whole town and countryside for one Jack Russell!

Who's going to cite anybody in PA? I always thought Philly was full of crime and creeps, shouldn't you get all upset about all the drug dealers there and robberies? Do your cops catch every single one of them or are you having <gasp> anarchy?

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 9:27:47 AM

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What wonderful advice you are getting... I hope it works out... But I would be buying a cattle prod and or stun gun and three months from now I'd be ready. And I'd use it on both of them….and not just once.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 9:39:48 AM

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ladyC. You are correct. Philly is bad. It has some nice parts- but over all- it is not place I would want to live in.

I am mad for you- that this happened to you. I hope they find the guy. I hope your dog heals fast. Believe me- I have my complaints about the town and block I live in too. I tend to be negative.

Hope your week gets better for you.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 9:46:36 AM

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That floors me that your laws are weak over there.   Here there would be thousands of $ in fees, and the dog would have been isolated, and for repeat offenses- they will destroy the dog here. The owner is fully responsible for the dog... it is "leash laws". Which means the owner must have full control of their dog at all times.   I know of one gal who making payments in $2500 due to her dog biting someone. Some home owners ins will not insure a home with a large dog in it.

PS- it is good news that your vet can help you.

What floors me is that you really don't get a thing!!! Hello, if you do not know WHO THE FUCKING OWNER IS then you can't make the owner responsible.

Again, just for you: THEY HAVE TO FIND THE OWNER FIRST, yes there are laws, duh, I guess you don't have laws regarding theft? Now how many pick pockets get arrested? If somebody steals your wallet and is gone, are your laws weak?

I honestly wish you would THINK on occasion.

And that dog had no tag?   No tag means animal control would take it then and there.     You clobbered him with a purse,   if that had occurred in PA both parties would have been cited.

It sounds like total anarchy in the UK where no one has civility.   You have CCTV and NOTHING can be done over an every day dog bite. They happen every day.

Carry some pepper spray- next time you can spray the mad dog....

PA,

Think about the size of a Doberman Pinscher. The males usally weigh between 80-100 lbs; the females tend to be smaller.

Think about the size of a Jack Russell Terrier; unless they are overweight they generally weigh less than 20lbs.
(If you aren't sure what one of them looks like, Eddie on Fraiser was one of those.)

Now, understand that this particular Jack Russell was vicious enough to do serious damage to a dog more than 4 times it's weight.

Would you want to get close enough to it to examine it for tags?

She is in another country and you don't know what the laws are regarding pepper spray and she would also have to get kind of close to the dog to make certain she did not accidentally have any blowback onto her own animals.
As we have figured out getting close to this dog is a very bad idea.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 10:00:16 AM

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LadyC I'm SOOOO sorry to hear about this! I'm another one who swears by Rescue Remedy for stressed out pets. I've used it on my two small dogs when they've needed surgeries, and it did seem to help. You can usually buy it at any decent sized pharmacist - I got my from Boots.

Let us know how the kiddies get on, and me and the fuzzbutts are sending lots of love in your direction

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 10:01:08 AM

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It is not fun to go for walks here- because every 3rd house has a ferocious dog. As a result- I just dont.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 10:23:13 AM

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LC,

I'm so sorry your boy is suffering, but glad your regular vet is there to take good care of him.

As for the Jack Russell....no sense going to the area for a couple of months since this seems to happen every 3 months. Obviously, you do not want to walk your babies in that area again. However, I would get a hold of one of a control pole (you know the sticks with the loop on the end) and start "patroling" that area during the next time frame the dog should be around. Then if you see the dog, you can try to safely trap the dog for the authorities. Call authorities immediately when you see the dog. Not sure how your area feels about "citizen's arrest" but it's one way to get the dog and the owner.

What I find troubling is that the authorities have a time line for this dog's attacks and yet don't use it to attempt to catch the bastard. I would think that animal control in your area would be very interested in protecting the other animals in the area at least.

As an aside, with all the bullshit posted around here about the "vicious" breeds, I see no one has said a thing about an out of control small dog, who we have all stated is known for its bad temperment. Sadly, while the cops know all about this mini monster, his bites won't hit the statistics and people will keep complaining about beautiful, well trained animals like yours.

My best wishes for a speedy recovery for your boy.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 11:35:25 AM

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PA,

Think about the size of a Doberman Pinscher. The males usally weigh between 80-100 lbs; the females tend to be smaller.

Think about the size of a Jack Russell Terrier; unless they are overweight they generally weigh less than 20lbs.
(If you aren't sure what one of them looks like, Eddie on Fraiser was one of those.)

Now, understand that this particular Jack Russell was vicious enough to do serious damage to a dog more than 4 times it's weight.

Would you want to get close enough to it to examine it for tags?

She is in another country and you don't know what the laws are regarding pepper spray and she would also have to get kind of close to the dog to make certain she did not accidentally have any blowback onto her own animals.
As we have figured out getting close to this dog is a very bad idea.

The girl is 33 kilos, that's 70.5 lbs, the boy is 40 kilos (88 lbs) they are both very tall for their breed and quite lean and fit, this psychotic dog managed to take 2 junks out of the boy, he managed to give the girl puncture wounds, he bit me quite nicely in the leg (took a pic when I got home from the vet, had the jeans removed and before other half drove me to the ER - I was so full of adrenaline and worried about the dogs, it took ages until it hurt, but when it did, it freaking HURT), no I was not going to pick that dog up to examine the tag...

Actually considering how my leg looked after that nip and how Alfie's belly looks, not a freaking chance in hell.

Btw the Jack Russell wasn't too small, about the size of a Westie but it looked as if he was all teeth and psychotic barks...

Wtf did I not try to pick him up to check the tag? Hmmmm?

Obviously that would be such a great idea.... Oh and I would like to comment that this is not a flattering angle for my leg

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 11:46:09 AM

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LC,

I'm so sorry your boy is suffering, but glad your regular vet is there to take good care of him.

As for the Jack Russell....no sense going to the area for a couple of months since this seems to happen every 3 months. Obviously, you do not want to walk your babies in that area again. However, I would get a hold of one of a control pole (you know the sticks with the loop on the end) and start "patroling" that area during the next time frame the dog should be around. Then if you see the dog, you can try to safely trap the dog for the authorities. Call authorities immediately when you see the dog. Not sure how your area feels about "citizen's arrest" but it's one way to get the dog and the owner.

What I find troubling is that the authorities have a time line for this dog's attacks and yet don't use it to attempt to catch the bastard. I would think that animal control in your area would be very interested in protecting the other animals in the area at least.

As an aside, with all the bullshit posted around here about the "vicious" breeds, I see no one has said a thing about an out of control small dog, who we have all stated is known for its bad temperment. Sadly, while the cops know all about this mini monster, his bites won't hit the statistics and people will keep complaining about beautiful, well trained animals like yours.

My best wishes for a speedy recovery for your boy.

You see the problem is, they assume it is the same dog, as the description of the dog and the owner seems to fit, the bites didn't happen just in one specific area but in parks all over town and we got plenty there. The 2nd time when we were attacked, it happened actually outside of town, a long stretch of ground where there is nothing but woods to one side, a golf course, fields and a canal, I took them there to avoid the park and that particularly nasty dog.

While I am frustrated that my dogs have been attacked and especially the boy suffers badly, I can understand the trouble of catching the dog, especially since JRs are a popular breed here, when they are trained right they make wonderful pets, if not, they tend to be quite aggressive and without fear. They can't go round and basically stop every 3rd dog owner who has a JR when the attacks occur roughly every 3 months.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 11:53:49 AM

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That pic hurts just looking at it.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 12:03:07 PM

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That pic hurts just looking at it.

That's a lot more harmless than how the belly of my boy looks, I only have a bite and a few stitches (cleaned up it doesn't even look that bad), he got a piece ripped out and needs surgery (I guess another few hundred) - considering my vet bills, I think I'm in the wrong biz...

Now would you pick up the animal who did it and examine the dog tag to file a proper report? For some odd reason I figured I like having all my fingers and both hands.

Oh and one of the cops told me that my handbag attack is very unlikely to have any consequences even if he was to push the matter (which I don't think he will, given the track record of his dog biting other dogs), it will be his word against mine that I defended myself, and if I was possibly in a state of shock after the attack so that I wasn't responsible for my actions....

Given then fact that I reported him TWICE and the dogs and I are the ones with injuries, I don't think he would have a leg to stand on, but he'd be a complete idiot if he'd come forward to try and drag me to court, I wish, because then I would press charges.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 12:20:30 PM

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Dang Lady C, with all the good karma you've built up with your dogs, how does this kind of shit keep happening?

I personally hate Jack Russells. They're so darn hyper and need more exercise than a lot of humans are willing to give. Most likely this buttfuck owner is keeping him cooped up for days on end, and then when the little guy gets out, he goes nuts with pent-up energy. I agree with your vet, the buttfuck should be put down and the dog rehabbed, though it's probably not possible at this point.

Kisses & hugs to Alf, the girl (I forget her name!) and of course, to you!

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