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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 4:43:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		As far as I know they are illegal here, and to be honest, I might use a low setting on the dog and then jack it up and go for the asshat instead of just whacking him with the handbag.

Usually this shit doesn't happen, with my run of bad luck lately, I do wonder if I snatched candy from babies in a previous life.

I don't grudge my pets the several K (and that's £) this will cost, or the fact that I cancel my yearly surf vacation, in fact I would gladly spend the same amount again for body parts of the owner, especially the ones he seems to be attached to. No used asking for his teeth, nobody would wear those rotten brown things on a chain.

I didn't sleep much yesterday because I was worried sick about the surgery, doesn't seem like I'll sleep much tonight as the boy is crying as he's obviously in pain but he had painkillers already and I can't give him more. You know I don't care one bit that he's a "patchwork dog" and that he'll carry the awful scars of the attacks forever, the fact that some complete and utter twat can't be arsed to raise his dog right or at least keep it on the lead or muzzled caused them that much harm, that's what gets me. Dogs will have some growls, they will fight a bit but usually it does not get nasty, it's about establishing the pecking order and socialized dogs don't rip other dogs to shreds.
As I said, part of my fear always was that they will be blamed because they are big and we all know that some people believe that Dobermans are dangerous (usually people who know jack shit about dogs) so I raised them to be far too placid, as some "experts" claimed small dogs can't cause much trouble, unfortunately the population is full of such idiots, so a few K later and a dog who could have died from the attack of a small "harmless" dog, I'm actually contemplating if I might not get a cattle prod illegally and deal with the consequences later - I doubt that the the fine for stunning a dog that attacks will be higher than the vet bills, and at least my dogs might not be in danger. I really don't want them to be aggressive and considering the fact that the boy was an abused puppy who went through a bunch of homes, I think I did a good job training them, I'm not Caesar Milan, but I seem to have a good touch with animals, which is really not that difficult, love them but still be in command and be consistent. Never really thought about it before friends asked me how I train them, it always seemed very simple, I asked them and praised them when they did something right and they love being praised, if they do something wrong, show them that you disapprove, no need to hurt them, if they love you and see you as the food provider (aka leader) they want your approval, desperately.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 7:23:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are impressive, and I wish more dog owners were like you.  You trained them to be happy, obedient, well functioning animals, so I hope you can move away from any feelings of guilt you have, although being a pet owner, I know that's difficult.  Your Alfie will continue to be part of Viktor's and my night time prayers for animals who are hurting.  I almost lost him last year to lily poisoning, so I know all about those feelings of worry, and of being prepared to heal them at any cost.  It saddens me that the Jack Russell is in the shape he's in, and it disturbs me that someone would be so irresponsible with their dog. :(




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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/25/2011 1:40:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think your prayers might have helped, he's well on the road to recovery from the way it looks...



He's had a a few stitches on the other side but they are just smallish but the vet thought might be a good idea to clean them out, cut infected tissue away before they become big infected wounds, so on one side he's half naked, on the other side he does look a bit like a leopard (hey, the 80's are back) and his chest seems to be bigger than mine, I might have a few awfully stretched T-shirts...

Mind you, he does remind me of a gay fitness instructor when he's wearing green ;)



In case I haven't mentioned it, he is feeling very sorry for himself, but his appetite has recovered fully.

Edited as I cocked the pictures up...

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/25/2011 6:29:35 AM   
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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/25/2011 6:59:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, he's quite vocal and lets us know that he's not happy wearing clothes. It was funny, usually the vet keeps them the whole day after surgery, but they asked us to pick him up about an hour after he woke up again as he was howling the place down and scared all the other animals. He can make a hell lot of noise, LOL

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/25/2011 7:02:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Poor Baby! But he does look very fashionable in the shirt.

I hope his wounds can heal fast and clean now, and that he will not be carrying any behavioural ballast.




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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/25/2011 7:23:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		The vet recommended her own trainer to avoid it, after contacting them they agreed that we should start working with both of them ASAP, to avoid that they get any behavioural problems, would be a shame if they would be less social and less friendly due to that attack and leaving it for longer only let's problems settle in. They also said they'd recommend that we only take 1 or 2 hours and they give me pointers, as the dogs will react much better if I do the training as they're used to me. They were lovely and it doesn't seem to be all about the money, they could easily have recommended lots of hours, but they said from the sounds of it I need an hour or two and a few pointers and we should be fine.

They also reassured me that I made all the right moves, especially for the dogs, there was an attack and stepping in and handling it was exactly what a pack leader should do, the dogs won't feel that I was letting them down because I took charge and removed the problem (well, kicked the little psychotic dog into the canal) and complimented me on attacking dickhead with the handbag but expressing disappointment that he wasn't even bleeding (pretty much like the cop).

Kia and Alfie got on before, but since that happened, she's almost overprotective of him, dragging the toys to his bed and hoovering over him like a concerned mom, the cats who try to sniff him get picked up and moved away, she just needs a vinyl nurse uniform now...

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/25/2011 10:02:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh I am SO glad he's doing so much better!  This whole story just pulls on my heart.  He looks so stylin in his shirt, lol (and I love that he has his full tail intact!). 

I'm also glad you got confirmation that you were, indeed, taking care of them as the pack leader.  This is really good news, too.

I'm wondering if, when this is all over, there might be something you can do to use this incident to educate others - about the damages small dogs can do, and that large "scary" breeds can indeed be victims. Probably not at the forefront on your radar at the moment, but something to consider, perhaps.

We'll keep our night time prayers going.  I am totally convinced a key reason Viktor pulled through last year was because my friends with pets were pulling for him.  I believe in that kinda stuff. 


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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/25/2011 12:29:20 PM   
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I'm wondering if, when this is all over, there might be something you can do to use this incident to educate others - about the damages small dogs can do, and that large "scary" breeds can indeed be victims. Probably not at the forefront on your radar at the moment, but something to consider, perhaps.



I'd love to but as we know, a small dog can't do much damage and it's those big dangerous dogs who do all the damage, obviously a terrier can't do that, we all had that in another thread and I was apparently aggressive for disagreeing with an idiot who knows jack shit about dogs... My suggestion would be to put them into a room with the Jack Russell and the fucked up owner and then talk again how small dogs can't do any damage, obviously my dogs wounds and the stitches in my leg count for nothing and said fucktards have to experience it themselves. Remember, big dogs - no matter how placid and how well raised - are always aggressive, small breeds are harmless, of course no terrier could ever wreck any damage and I am just imagining a huge vet bill, 2 injured Dobes and and me being in ER, or the pics are clever photoshopping, my new mantra is that the bites don't hurt and the stitches are not there and small dogs can't do real damage - or should it be that people without brain should not be allowed to use the internet?

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/25/2011 12:44:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't recall the other thread...maybe I should be glad because crap like that ticks me off.

Like Bill O'Reilly getting behind banning Rottweilers and Pit Bulls, since apparently they just spontaneously combust into ferocious attackers without provocation. 

It just seemed like a potential possibility to use this situation to educate the ignorant...because one less ignoramus about dogs could mean one less suffering dog.

But I totally understand what an uphill battle that could be, and how frustrating and angering. 


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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/25/2011 2:16:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have fun with that, plenty of us tried to talk sense, it still felt like hitting your head against a brick wall.

This is why I think we should have rules regarding procreation and pet ownership

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/25/2011 5:24:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		He did a good job on the stitches.

My sheba was moping around-  when she was spayed- they wanted to keep her an  extra day.  She did not need it- she needed to be HOME.  She was mopey because she routine was derailed.   

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/25/2011 5:43:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		i do not have time to teach you how to kill the dog by hand, though it is easy to do, even if it has a bite on your dog, the damage to your dog is not going to be increased by this fast kill method.

basically, ram a pen through the medistinal cavity to the heart or between the costal muscles,

like i say, i don't have time to teach you but that is the basic method, i always carry a bic pen just for such moments


in the mean while,
the mace they sell for people (pepper spray) sprayed into the face of the dog, and down the throat if you can, will disable the dog, and can be used on the owner too, (don't forget to get the purse or wallet to recover the cost of your pepper spray)

it will not kill the dog, but will render it totally helpless. don't get your dog.

i would contact the local judge and file a complaint,
take your vet bills, and give a good description of the owner as well,

that dog needs to be destroyed, had it attacked my dog (trained as a rescue dog, i would have filed charges against the owner and had him jailed for damage for attacking a working dog, same as attacking a police dog)

use the mace it does work

and the bic pen, as directed above but do your home work first, it is fatal in mere seconds

yes, i'm agressive to defend myself and my dog from danger, but what they hey, he is family

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/25/2011 5:48:42 PM   
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Well, he's quite vocal and lets us know that he's not happy wearing clothes.


Well, hell, none of us men are happy that you're wearing clothes in your pics but you won't find us complaining about it.  Tell yer dog to be a man.


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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/25/2011 6:14:35 PM   
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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/26/2011 1:20:28 AM   
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yes, i'm agressive to defend myself and my dog from danger, but what they hey, he is family


I really have no desire to kill the dog, and the problem with mace or pepper spray is that it is very windy where I live, the risk would be significantly higher. That dog possibly spends all day cooped up, then on occasion the owner lets a hyper active dog that doesn't get enough exercise out, a dog that was never socialized... I'm aware that the dog will most likely be put down, which I think is a shame, it should be the owner.

The police has a description of the dog and the owner and 2 complains from me about the bites, I told all the other dog owners I know and they are telling people they know, in case anybody sees them they will call the cops. It also helps them to avoid the aggressive dog and not risk their pets.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/26/2011 2:29:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Chatte, it's a bit of a pain to keep him on the lead all the time and have him exercise less, he's very active and doesn't understand why he's not allowed to do his usual long walks, jump training and general manic running around, but the vet said to take it extremely slow for 2 weeks (until the stitches come out). He's quite funny, last night he sniffed my stitches, then tried to sniff his stitches through the T-shirt, gave a disgusted snort and this deep sight that sounded a bit like "Oh what a dog's life", it's amazing how he bounces back.

And Steven, the dog couldn't care less if I was buck naked or not, I think he's a bit unhappy about having to wear girly clothes (apparently he has no CD tendencies), though he's in a very stylish black and white number today, and the scoop necklines show his shoulders and chest to best advantage.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/26/2011 2:35:42 AM   
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I am glad to hear you and your babies are on the upswing of getting better :)

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/26/2011 11:44:23 AM   
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Have fun with that, plenty of us tried to talk sense, it still felt like hitting your head against a brick wall.



OK I'm caught up now, and yep, that's exactly what I expected - an uphill battle, but a battle worth fighting.  Educating just one person can make a huge difference.

A lot of shelters and rescue organizations now conduct pretty in depth interviews on prospective families wanting to adopt, and ask that the dog is returned to them, should the family change their mind at any point.  Even still, this doesn't help the doggies given away on Craigs List or in front of grocery stores, etc., to just anyone - mostly people who don't know what the hell they're doing.  I've been saying for years - there aren't bad dogs, just bad owners.  Dogs do what they're taught.


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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/26/2011 12:39:25 PM   
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