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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 11:33:12 PM

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So any herbal remedies that aren't dangerous to dogs? Both are limping around and are just phased, they usually cuddle up at my feet and Alf (who's bite wounds are horrible) shivers a lot, I wrap him up to keep him warm, not sure if dogs can have shock but it seems to me that that is what he has. Once they're better, I plan to take them out to a secure area where they can play with dogs they know, to stop them from being paranoid about other dogs. Seriously never seen anything as psychotic as this Jack Russell and his owner doesn't seem much better, one of the guys where you look and you have to look really hard to find a tooth, and the few remaining ones have interesting brownish colours - and he isn't even old.

I had a pretty nasty bite from a racoon one time back when I worked @ big blue and one of my reports was a Micmac woman. She made me a poultice of witch hazel. If you know anyone who in virginia who could send you h.virginiae (I think they call it winterbloom) you could grind it and put it in gauze as a poultice. It seemed to reverse an infection when I was bitten.
Tell Alf I hope it clears up soon. And shop for one of those nice sharp Japanese Cleavers... and think spine if you run into that fucker again.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 11:41:13 PM

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LadyC..I dont know if this has been suggested, but your vet might be able to put out the word to other vets in the region re: the dog and owner (give a description of the owner).. give the same info to the police in other localities...

no help on the treatment angle, but maybe it might nail the fuckwad owner!!

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/23/2011 11:48:22 PM

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no help on the treatment angle, but maybe it might nail the fuckwad owner!!

Good idea ... give yourself 30 minutes down on the ground

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 2:20:43 AM

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LadyC..I dont know if this has been suggested, but your vet might be able to put out the word to other vets in the region re: the dog and owner (give a description of the owner).. give the same info to the police in other localities...

no help on the treatment angle, but maybe it might nail the fuckwad owner!!

Police contacted all the vets and after my bite they're a bit more on the case, as now it's apparently a threat to humans. Personally I just like 30 minutes alone with the owner, and a water clad alibi.

Dropped Alfie off at the vet's and behaved quite normal to not get him agitated, got to ring in a few hours to see how he's doing and pick him up in the afternoon.

I loath to say an animal is bad, most of them just do what comes naturally to them and it's down to the owners to make sure they correct their behavior, so I'd really would like to explain this to the owner in a way that he can understand (instead of punctuation, use punches...), not sure the Jack Russell can be re-socialized, maybe somebody who's an expert could but I doubt anybody would be willing to put in the effort and take that risk, so the dog possibly will end up in a kennel for a few months, be even more miserable and then be put down because they can't find an owner. It's freaking horrible, on the other hand I really don't want him attacking my dogs or me again, would be nice if somebody would spend the time and energy to retrain the dog (once they find the fuckwad owner) but not holding my breath, but if that person can be stopped from ever owning an animal again, I'm quite happy, because I don't think he has the money to spring for the vet bills, otherwise he might actually have paid a dentist for himself.

I'll be a bit nervous and concerned until I get the call from the vet that he's alright, even Kia and the cats sniff and search around because one of the pack is missing.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 3:40:36 AM

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psssttt LadyConstanze? It is steel clad, or water tight :-)

I hope everything goes well for the poor boy today. He is lucky to have found an owner who loves him so much, and is willing and able to invest the time, heart, and money it takes to see him right again.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 4:04:18 AM

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Even though your doggies are not agressive, you do not have to learn them to be defensive. I know it sounds crazy, but I rather have a well behaved and socialized dog than one with I couldn't walk anywhere because it isn't compatible with other dogs.

I have had one for years, not his fault, we found him that way on one of the Canaries. The only dog he got along with just fine, was my dachshound..... They were in it together so to say. But what a relieve it was, (after a few months) after his death, that we could attent organized walks with other dogs from abroad. We really missed that, coz you'd never interact with others when your dog tends to be agressive.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 4:43:57 AM

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Alfie (and I love him dearly) is just a bit friendly dork who thinks everybody and every dog he meets is a potential friend, the girl is a bit more leery of other dogs, hence she only got a puncture wound. I seriously trained all aggression out of them by telling them off when they barked, growled or got agitated and taught them that they have to pay attention to me, so I feel quite guilty that it happened to them.

I trained them to accept me as pack leader but failed to protect them.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 4:49:07 AM

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*hugs*

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 5:03:35 AM

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Doesn't your local police have an artist who could do a sketch from your description and that of the other victims? If you folks could get a police sketch made, and post it around, I bet someone could identify him. Especially if a small reward was offered for information leading to the identification of the dog owner.

^ This. Or the local news. Hey, over here, public service announcements just caught Whitey Bulger, who's been on the lam for 16 years.

Sounds like the owner has trained the dog to channel the owner's sociopathic tendancies. Amazon.co.uk has pepper spray: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=pepper+spray&x=0&y=0

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 5:55:30 AM

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Holy fuck LadyC, that is an awful pic of Alf's wound :(

I haven't read all the replies, so I don't know how the surgery went... but damn, I have tears for your puppies.
That is just horrid.

And while I am not a fan of hurting an animal, well done on beating the fucker with your handbag! I hope next time you encounter him, you kick him into the water along with his dog.

hugs to you and your furry family.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 5:58:29 AM

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Just called the vet, can pick the boy up in roughly an hour, apparently he's coming round and is howling the place down (have I mentioned he's a big whimp?) but the surgery went well... Can't wait to get him back!

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 10:10:12 AM

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Yay, glad to hear the surgery went well. I woke up thinking of your baby today.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 11:44:34 AM

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Alfie (and I love him dearly) is just a bit friendly dork who thinks everybody and every dog he meets is a potential friend, the girl is a bit more leery of other dogs, hence she only got a puncture wound. I seriously trained all aggression out of them by telling them off when they barked, growled or got agitated and taught them that they have to pay attention to me, so I feel quite guilty that it happened to them.

I trained them to accept me as pack leader but failed to protect them.

Aww, now don't beat yourself up over this, LadyC. It's not your fault! A Jack Russell in a red zone attack mode is pretty unstoppable, and think how much damage he could have done had you not been there! You trained your dogs just right, but like with your own kids, you can't protect them 100% of the time from all the bullies in the world....

I think you did a fabulous job getting the little monster off of them while managing to beat up the owner with your handbag!

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 12:15:30 PM

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I am making an appointment with a professional dog trainer, just to make sure I made no mistakes and that they will be able to defend themselves in case of another attack without being aggressive, and also to make sure they're not going to be terrified of other dogs. Considering that this incident means there is a massive massive vet bill on my credit card and we'll need a another car ASAP (Toyota is too small if one of them is injured, so we're going to get some Volvo or something like that with enough room in the back for them), I decided I won't have a summer vacation, despite the fact that Kia loves the beach and Alfie possibly would too.

In the meantime Alfie has to wear my T-shirts (hey I got a dog who wears my clothes size) to make sure he can't lick the rows and rows of stitches he has, we tried the plastic collars but then Kia goes a bit mental seeing her pack mate with that odd thing, plus he already destroyed some antique china trying to get it off.

I have to get a picture of the stitches, considering how mine are itching, the poor baby has it so much worse, my other half said he's not sure if he should label him patchwork dog or Frankenstein's dog.

My big regret is that I didn't have a brick or two in that spacious handbag... The dog treats and toys just didn't make enough of an impact...

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 12:23:54 PM

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I had to restructure my finances when our Husky got Lymphoma - sympathizing over the vet bill.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 1:06:39 PM

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I would try Panalog, or a similar antibiotic ointment made for dogs, livestock. I have put it into deep puncture wounds, helps it heal from the inside out, which is what you want. If the dog won't leave the ointment alone, a plastic cone.

Any feed store should carry this, if not, do a google search for home delivery animal supplies in your area, I know of a few over here, but not sure about shipping to another country.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 3:00:53 PM

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Just wondering...do you have dog parks in your area? It would be a great place for them to get over their fear of being around other dogs.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 3:10:26 PM

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I would try Panalog, or a similar antibiotic ointment made for dogs, livestock. I have put it into deep puncture wounds, helps it heal from the inside out, which is what you want. If the dog won't leave the ointment alone, a plastic cone.

Any feed store should carry this, if not, do a google search for home delivery animal supplies in your area, I know of a few over here, but not sure about shipping to another country.

The cone is not an option, I got 2 dogs and I put the cone (I assume you mean the clear plastic collar) on Alf and Kia just goes mental, so for now he's wearing my T-shirts (he's a very fashionable boy), I got some ribwort and infusing it as we speak, should be ready by tomorrow morning, ideal for healing and wounds plus non-poisonous so him licking it off won't be much of a problem.

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 3:18:16 PM

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Just wondering...do you have dog parks in your area? It would be a great place for them to get over their fear of being around other dogs.

Butch

The girl recovered OK as she was playing with her Westie friend and a few other dogs she knows, don't know about the boy yet, I am taking it easy with him, he had a 2 hour surgery today and is recovering, he will be on the lead for 2 weeks until the stitches come out.

As for dog parks, the first incident with the shoulder being ripped open to the bone happened in such a dog park, hence I avoided it and went out of town for a long walk - rotten luck that we ran into the same mentalist again and his brain dead owner. I will be avoiding dog parks for a while and only stick to places where I know which dogs are around.

Look, taking them on vacation with me would have cost quite a bit, so I rather invest the rest of the holiday fund into a dog trainer to make sure they are alright with other dogs, there will be a lot of costs still coming for check ups, etc. My pets are worth more than spending a few weeks on a surfboard somewhere, I possibly only have a few days off and pick up some freelance jobs.

All a bit of a stroke of rotten luck, we couldn't insure the boy while he had the urinary tract infection, so we needed clearance for that, when he was cleared we filled out the paper work for the insurance but before we got confirmation he got bitten and then bitten again a few days later, so it is a tad expensive. From what I can see, a 2 hour surgery for a dog is possibly not much cheaper than if you get a private bill...

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RE: How to treat a dog who's got a bite? - 6/24/2011 4:22:11 PM

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Can you get ahold of a cattle prod over there? They are fairly easy to find here, and I take one when I walk dogs. Sure as hell, some idiot will have their aggressive dog running loose, I give one warning to the owner, dog comes within range, he gets a shocking experience. Because of vet bills incurred when my leashed dogs have been viciously attacked, I never walk without one. If you can have one, they have several levels of jolt, even on the lowest setting, it's enough to toss a dog on his butt, without hurting him, mostly they are just surprised.

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