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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/25/2011 1:14:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, one of the cheapest brands of milk here is produced locally from local cows and it doesn't have hormones. I rarely buy dairy these days, but on occasion I have bought this brand. I've usually found it spoils before its marked expiration date, but I suppose that's a good thing in the sense that it's likely a strong indication it isn't overly processed. But getting back to the question, yes I would pay more for hormone free milk.

As for chicken? I'm a lacto-ovo vegetarian so I don't buy it since I don't eat it. If I did, I'd pay more for organic free range hormone free birds.

Organic stuff just tastes better.

I can't help but think of a situation a few years back when I brought home a dozen organic eggs from free range chickens. I accidentally dropped the bag. On a tile floor. I expected to open the carton and find a bunch of broken eggs. Not a single one was broken. My guess is that they didn't break because these eggs have a shell that is so much thicker than the factory farmed eggs.

Reading some of the posts here has inspired me to go to one of the farmer's markets this weekend. I haven't been in ages! :)

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/25/2011 7:31:06 AM   
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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/25/2011 8:44:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		i haven't been to the farmer's market in a while, either; i might drop by. i love having a garden so i grow what i can. i don't eat chicken (vegetarian), and i'm lactose intolerant so i don't have a lot of dairy. i've been trying to find cheese and such that come from organic sources. the brands of greek yogurt that i buy use milk without artificial hormones. Silk soymilk is made from non-GMO soybeans, and that's usually the brand i buy; though unfortunately it's not organic anymore (i think there is an organic version though?)


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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/25/2011 9:21:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Yes-  this thread is a good one.  I like the bonus tips. "

Here's a bonus tip for ya. (and believe me I was shocked to find out it works)

Earlier you mentioned milk is better than antacid. Put on your sunglasses......

If you get heartburn, the LAST thing you want is milk. It's kinda alkaline, and when you drink it, it makes your stomach think it needs to produce more acid.

You get heartburn, heartburp or any of the variations of that, take a tablespoon of vinegar. For the first moment it might seem like it's going to kill you, but after about ten seconds you are cured. I mean really, and it LASTS, like all day.

In other words, tumtum wants acid ? GIVE IT SOME !

Like I said I was very surprised to find out how well it works.

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/25/2011 9:27:32 AM   
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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/25/2011 10:25:27 AM   
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"Yes-  this thread is a good one.  I like the bonus tips. "

Here's a bonus tip for ya. (and believe me I was shocked to find out it works)

Earlier you mentioned milk is better than antacid. Put on your sunglasses......

If you get heartburn, the LAST thing you want is milk. It's kinda alkaline, and when you drink it, it makes your stomach think it needs to produce more acid.

You get heartburn, heartburp or any of the variations of that, take a tablespoon of vinegar. For the first moment it might seem like it's going to kill you, but after about ten seconds you are cured. I mean really, and it LASTS, like all day.

In other words, tumtum wants acid ? GIVE IT SOME !

Like I said I was very surprised to find out how well it works.

T^T

I'll check that out and pass it on to someone I know that can use it. Does this work prior to issues?


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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/25/2011 11:17:32 AM   
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For me it's about flavor, my health, and the health of the animal providing my food.

I can taste a difference. Now the FDA would have you believe that there isn't a thing different between non-hormone and synthetic hormone cattle. All you have to do is to have paid attention for the last 20 years of your life to know whether it's worth taking a chance on them being liars, wrong or right. They have a pretty shitty track record.

I don't want my food modified genetically, inundated with chemicals, in general, tampered with at all or "abused" before it gets to my plate.

I'm with ya on the above.


I noticed with root vegetables (carrots, etc.), I can actually taste pesticide/chemicals on them, when not organic.

The FDA can say what it wants.  I did some papers on nutrition, and on what non-organic produce does to our soil and the independent farmers over time.  The beauty of this country is the choices we have, and the freedom to make those choices.  I prefer to support industries that I believe in, and that includes the humane treatment of livestock and not putting added chemicals into my body.  I support it when I can. I can't be 100% about it, but every bit makes a difference.

I completely agree with the bolded statement above.  And as much as people have tried (for whatever reason) to convince me how wrong I am and that it doesn't matter, it's still my choice.


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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/25/2011 11:26:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		"I'll check that out and pass it on to someone I know that can use it. Does this work prior to issues? "

While I can't recall having those issues after ingesting vinegar or something else on the acidic side, I have never tried it as a preventative measure.

But really, I don't see how it could hurt to try. Just some people do not like the taste. I mean cider vinegar, the really sour kind. Wine or balsamic vinegar might work, but I haven't tried it for that purpose.

Since I've been accused of not knowing English very well I might as well say - consider the origin of the word vinegar. Wine turns into vinegar sometimes, so maybe someone got some sour wine and said " Wine, GAR ! ". Perhaps they were German, so " Vine, GAR ! ".

But I digress, habitually.

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/25/2011 11:27:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		"I noticed with root vegetables (carrots, etc.), "

Especially carrots. Damn shame too, as most of the nutrients are in the skin.

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/25/2011 11:30:12 AM   
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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/25/2011 12:17:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida
I noticed with root vegetables (carrots, etc.), I can actually taste pesticide/chemicals on them, when not organic.

I used to eat certain veggies raw and on occassion my lips would sorta burn and go numbish, I suspect it was pesticides or just some sort of mild allergy. It was mostly celery and carrots, the kind of carrots I "fondly" refer to as "California Cork" cuz they are bland, big, woody and grown in CA.

I havent had that happen for a long time now but i try to buy organic veggies especially the ones i intend to juice.

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/25/2011 12:43:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I strive to, and mostly succeed, to source all our animal products, or things containing animal products, from organic producers.
I look for the German BIO Siegel, it is a controlled certificate, and I can be sure that I get what I pay for.

For vegetables and fruit I buy at least the dirty dozen organic.

As much as possible is bought local and in season.


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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/25/2011 3:17:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I buy the organic half gallons the organic milk mostly because they have one type in their line where they take out the milk fat and replace it with DHA  omega-3 fat which is really good for you...it tastes good too...It costs about $4.00 here for a half gallon..The expiration dates seem farther in future too.

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/25/2011 3:30:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Remember why Pasteur is a hero: say no to thousands of deaths by tuberculosis and other diseases, and say no to unpasteurised milk.
Most 'green' products are just a gullibility tax: remember, hormones used on cattles can't affect humans; imagine a large square block [bovine growth hormone] trying to get into a small round hole [human growth hormone receptor]: literally impossible.
So if you like the taste of Jersey milk better than Holstein [small producer vs large producer], fine, and by the way, I agree. But there is no taste variation with 'hormone' milk.




Has it ever occurred to you that the body has to deal with every input to the system, foreign or natural, especially foreign hormones? So the square peg of a foreign hormone doesn't find its way into the round hole of a human hormone. But rest assured, that square peg is going to find a square hole wherever it can, who knows where.


While we're at it, Pasteur did neither invent nor promote hormones. What he did was promote the very unhealthy practices of the mass production dairy industry by heat steaming milk to kill all the unhealthy bacteria in it from very unhealthy methods whereby fecal bacteria found its way into milk as part of the process.

By and large, local small time dairy farmers have this simple thing figured out without resort to all the expensive antibiotics and later processing.

And don't project your own lack of taste  onto others. There is a difference perceptible by many, if not by all.





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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/25/2011 4:02:02 PM   
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What gets me is that people eat too much meat anyway, but they always want more and want it even cheaper, so the best way to raise profits for farmers is to get animals that put on weight quick, which usually means not a lot of exercise, cheap but calorific food, antibiotics regularly (also helps to increase the weight), animals that are raised in unnatural conditions suffer from a lot of stress and illnesses, so they have to get more medication, people consume all of that when they eat the meat and then they wonder that they get sick, who would have thought? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. Nobody would put bad petrol into an engine and expect it to perform at an optimum and last long, why people eat shit food and expect to stay healthy is beyond me.




This speaks to a lot of things. The standard diet has us voiding almost 80% of protein intake as nitrogen in the urine, because our bodies have no use for the excess. Bears eat 18-20% animal protein in their diet, moths included. They are better adapted to that than humans are. Humans are not far from bears in that we have evolved to be adaptable in diet, but definitely not as much meat as is 'standard' currently.

If people ate more appropriately, they could eliminate 'fast food,' not think that meat is essential every day, and afford much better cuts of meat when the occasion arises.

I haven't eaten pork in ages, but the best hog I ever ate was fed on the scraps from tossed away vegetables, especially lettuce. A home grown animal fed on home grown garden refuse.



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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/25/2011 5:00:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: calamitysandra

I strive to, and mostly succeed, to source all our animal products, or things containing animal products, from organic producers.
I look for the German BIO Siegel, it is a controlled certificate, and I can be sure that I get what I pay for.

For vegetables and fruit I buy at least the dirty dozen organic.

As much as possible is bought local and in season.



Standards to denote organic are fluid and unreliable in the US.    So often one pays for the jingo and the label with out getting more value in said product.   They will sell dog poop in a dazzling package and people here would actually buy it.

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/25/2011 8:24:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: calamitysandra

I strive to, and mostly succeed, to source all our animal products, or things containing animal products, from organic producers.
I look for the German BIO Siegel, it is a controlled certificate, and I can be sure that I get what I pay for.

For vegetables and fruit I buy at least the dirty dozen organic.

As much as possible is bought local and in season.



Standards to denote organic are fluid and unreliable in the US.    So often one pays for the jingo and the label with out getting more value in said product.   They will sell dog poop in a dazzling package and people here would actually buy it.




You know, being "certified organic" is not just about paying a fee and getting a label. Where did you get that idea from? *shakes head* There is so much misinformation purported as fact on this site.

Those who who provide certified organic foods have to fulfill several criteria. From the USDA web site:

Information must include:
● The type of operation to be certified;
● A history of substances applied to land for the
previous 3 years;
● The organic products being grown, raised, or
processed;
● The organic system plan (OSP) – a plan
describing practices and substances used
in production. The OSP also must describe
monitoring practices to be performed to
verify that the plan is effectively implemented,
a record-keeping system, and practices
to prevent commingling of organic and
nonorganic products and to prevent contact
of products with prohibited substances.

There is also an on site inspection, prior to certification.

As for the dog poop comment? Maybe some people will buy anything in a fancy package, but I would hazard a guess that they are uninformed consumers. Those who buy organic buy fewer packaged (i.e. processed) foods and will be label readers. I always look at the label of any packaged food. More often than not, I end up putting it back on the shelf.

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/25/2011 8:30:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dev,  it seems to me some local outfit was caught selling fake organics.   

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/26/2011 3:17:07 AM   
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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/26/2011 6:15:41 AM   
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"I'll check that out and pass it on to someone I know that can use it. Does this work prior to issues? "

While I can't recall having those issues after ingesting vinegar or something else on the acidic side, I have never tried it as a preventative measure.

But really, I don't see how it could hurt to try. Just some people do not like the taste. I mean cider vinegar, the really sour kind. Wine or balsamic vinegar might work, but I haven't tried it for that purpose.

Since I've been accused of not knowing English very well I might as well say - consider the origin of the word vinegar. Wine turns into vinegar sometimes, so maybe someone got some sour wine and said " Wine, GAR ! ". Perhaps they were German, so " Vine, GAR ! ".

But I digress, habitually.

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The German word for vinegar is Essig, the word root goes to acidic and the Italian word (closest to Latin) would be aceto.

If you use the German word "gar" it means "done" and is usually used for cooked meat, if it's done it's "gar", then you also have "gaeren" (no umlauts on this keyboard) which means brewing or fermenting, so yes, I guess you could say that it is fermented wine.... It's odd that you pick vinegar, as far as I remember the Irish Gaelic word for vinegar also means fermented wine, which is kinda odd as the Romans never conquered Ireland...

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