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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/29/2011 7:57:35 PM

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Which spices?

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/29/2011 9:00:27 PM

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I lived for ten years with three bites of fish, 2 or 3 eggs, one or two cheese sandwiches, the whole time. The rest was non-animal anything. None of the rest of it was "staggering" at all. A good juicer does better than three or four bottles of minerals, even the chelated variety.

What are you talking about?

I don't use the juicer anymore, but the blender sometimes.

And whence all this thinking that humans are 'not cows'?

Oh really!? What genius in that!

We aren't lions either. They have an intestinal tract 7-12 feet long. Humans' are more than twice the larger number there.

Humans are more adaptable than most animals, able to eat meat (at some cost), or go without it. Bears eat no more than 20% meat.

Let's figure it out here.

I am not telling anybody to not eat what they need, just to think about it.

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If anybody has read two words of what Lady NT or Lady Constanze has said, I'm not sure whence the repetitive nonsense here.

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/30/2011 4:34:19 AM

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http://www.amazon.com/Healthful-Foods-Jethro-Kloss/dp/1592238696/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1309433355&sr=1-1

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/30/2011 5:08:27 AM

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Unfortunately the book is not a solution that fits everybody, some people don't like veg, in fact they hate them, always have, a bit like I am with meat and especially pork or lamb, something in it that smells vile and revolting to me, to the point where I have to leave the room if my other half goes for bacon and full English fry up because I feel sick, it's my body telling me that it isn't good for me. Somebody elses system might not cope with certain veg or soy products.

We had the discussion a while ago, I think it was Termy I discussed it with, I think a lot of it depends on your system and what you are used to, and what generations before you got used to, then also a lot of how your individual system works. Same with animals, one of my cats will eat fish, the other won't, one of my rats loves liquorice, the others won't touch it.

It's a bit like medication, oddly enough I react very strongly on some meds, others just nothing, the "average person" might be alright with a certain dose, I'll possibly be high as a kite because I metabolize things differently.

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 6/30/2011 6:14:53 AM

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About 3 or 4 years ago I had serious health issues, thyroid and anemia acting up, oddly the medication for one influenced the other, I had the a-typical reaction of losing massive amounts of weight while being hypothyroid, when I was near 90lbs and kept fainting, they tried everything, I felt I was living sorely on medication while barely having the strength to stand up and walk. Gaunt doesn't quite describe it. I went into a health food store in deepest darkest Wales, wanted ginger as I was freezing all the time, the owner took one look at me and said "Listen, I don't want to sell you a ton of rubbish but you need to clean out your system, you are in a bad state!" We had a chat and he convinced me to do a cleansing diet, his point was to get the whole stuff out of my body as it was overladen with meds, he said usually people will lose weight on that diet but I possibly will gain. My other half did it with me and it was brutal, no processed food, no coffee, just very basic, organic stuff. 30 days and I gained much needed 10 lbs, other half lost 15 lbs. Anemia disappeared, taste buds changed, I do it once a year now as bad habits have a way of creeping in again, my whole life style and eating habits have changed, and I wasn't eating fast food or crap before, always been mainly vegetarian, but it's really amazing which difference the right kind of food can make. I decided there is no point in treating my body less well than my car, I can always buy a new car, but getting a new body is a bit more difficult.... I'm kinda attached to it.

My experience is slightly different. I have a bad back and a couple of years ago the pain in my lower back started getting worse and crawly up my back until the pain was all the way up to my neck. It was constant and I could not lay down and sleep, i could not sit at my computer for longer than 2 minutes, the pain was so intense.

I went to the chiropractor but that didnt help. So i finally decided to go to an accupuncturist to help with the pain. On my first visit he told me my back problem was caused by my stomach. I looked at him like he was crazy but decided to google and look into it in depth.

Turns out i found others that had the same problem and the accupuncurist was correct, it was my diet/stomach/inflamation. I changed my diet from too much processed and high carb food to veg and low fat protein and in a week the pain was down to manageable, it took only 2 weeks for the pain to be gone. To me it was as close to a miracle as I have ever experienced.

And yes, its easy to slide back into bad habits, one must be vigilant.

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 7/2/2011 3:39:04 AM

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"A good juicer does better than three or four bottles of minerals, even the chelated variety. "

Only if the soil in which what is juiced was grown. Do you understand ?

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 7/3/2011 9:16:46 AM

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Remember why Pasteur is a hero: say no to thousands of deaths by tuberculosis and other diseases, and say no to unpasteurised milk.
Most 'green' products are just a gullibility tax: remember, hormones used on cattles can't affect humans; imagine a large square block [bovine growth hormone] trying to get into a small round hole [human growth hormone receptor]: literally impossible.
So if you like the taste of Jersey milk better than Holstein [small producer vs large producer], fine, and by the way, I agree. But there is no taste variation with 'hormone' milk.

I've heard from people that grew up on a farm that fresh raw milk is actually really tasty and safe- but that's milk that came out of the cow straight to the fridge that morning. By the time they bottle it and distribute it and the store stocks it and you buy it and take it home and drink it, it could be 4 or 5 days later, plenty of time for bacteria to multiply. So in theory I like the idea of raw fresh milk, but unless you have your own cows or get it straight from the farmer every couple days it seems like there's a lot of potential for food poisoning.

I don't know about the hormone issue.... at the very least, my understanding from what I've read and heard is that the growth hormone can cause health problems for the cow, IIRC it makes them prone to some kind of udder infection, which can't be good. I have to agree with you about the taste issue, though. It's pretty common around here for even the basic store brand milk to be growth-hormone free, and I can't say I've noticed a taste difference compared to probably-not-hormone-free milk. The real taste difference is between free-range/grass-fed vs factory-farmed/corn-fed.

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 7/3/2011 9:44:44 AM

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Disclaimer: I haven't read all the responses.

Thanks to my brother, I've become really weird about food. I've been paying more attention to food and I'm now at a crossroads about what I'm going to do about it. Someone may have already posted about it, but a list came out with the top 10 dirtiest foods and celery was #1 followed by peaches. As far as meat goes, If I continue to eat meat, it will be organic. We have a running thought that the hormones in the milk is what is causing early puberty in ums.

As far as all foods, I wash everything and I mean everything. I ended up in the hospital with a horrible parasitic infection, eventually putting me into a state of dysentery. Docs had no idea where I picked up the amoeba as I was lliving in Houston, not Bangladesh. Eventually, they attributed it to imported fruits or vegetables.

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 7/3/2011 9:45:57 AM

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People buy 2% and skim... which IS watered down.

It's not watered down. Naturally milk wants to seperate into a watery milk part and fatty cream part that floats on top. When they make low-fat or skim milk they just take out some/all of the cream before they homogenize it.

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 7/3/2011 9:47:10 AM

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I don't use or buy too much of either, especially milk so that is a moot point.

BUT........how many people that are fickle about their milk and chicken, etc.........are as fickle about the products they buy that have milk and other 'dirty foods' in them...hmmmmmmmmmm.........?

Like........ICE CREAM!!!!!!!!!!!

The best ice cream I've ever had - way better even than Hagen Daaz - comes from a local free-range dairy farm. I have to drive out there to get it, but YUM YUM YUM.

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 7/3/2011 9:52:54 AM

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I don't drink that much milk but I do eat yogurt and cottage cheese. I would like to make my own yogurt but have not found a place (yet) where I can buy unprocessed milk. I'm looking though.

I've gotten interested in making my own soft cheeses lately. Do you know if you need raw milk for making cheese/yogurt, or just milk that hasn't been homogenized? Raw milk is illegal in MD (though I'm sure I could find somebody to sell it to me anyway), but a local dairy farm sells cream-top milk and I wonder if that's unprocessed enough.

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 7/5/2011 9:19:28 PM

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I've gotten interested in making my own soft cheeses lately. Do you know if you need raw milk for making cheese/yogurt, or just milk that hasn't been homogenized? Raw milk is illegal in MD (though I'm sure I could find somebody to sell it to me anyway), but a local dairy farm sells cream-top milk and I wonder if that's unprocessed enough.

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 7/6/2011 2:59:31 AM

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Not so sure.

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 7/6/2011 8:29:45 AM

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Processed milk will make cheese and yogurt with the proper cultures (I generally use aged/soured buttermilk). How good it is for you, and how nice it will taste, is up for debate. Less processed product yields better and tastier results.

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RE: milk w hormones in it - 7/8/2011 9:45:33 AM

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I've gotten interested in making my own soft cheeses lately. Do you know if you need raw milk for making cheese/yogurt, or just milk that hasn't been homogenized? Raw milk is illegal in MD (though I'm sure I could find somebody to sell it to me anyway), but a local dairy farm sells cream-top milk and I wonder if that's unprocessed enough.

Yes, it will be fine.