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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 3:28:42 PM   
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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 3:28:50 PM   
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poor poor lil liberals... all sad by o'dumbo now. Hey, it's YOUR hope and change baby. Quit voting for prom kings and start voting for a freaking president in the future, ok?

When are you going to nominate one?

You tried the Prom Queen thing....

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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 3:31:37 PM   
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What he actually accomplished has met my expectations and possibly even exceeded them a little bit.


Most of the reason the right wing is so vehemently on the war path and willing to head to new lows in the coming election are because he MET so many of his objectives.


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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 3:39:42 PM   
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But if he can really make the sea levels drop wouldn't that be worth following the plans of his most trusted czars like Holder who thinks de-industerlizing America and mass sterlization of certain (lower class) communities all worth it? He and many of his closest advisors love China .....


Ya know I love the fundie sub thing you put on (whether it's real or NOT)... But I gotta ask... Where are you getting your information about life outside wherever you're being held hostage?


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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 3:41:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		The problem with an Obama re-election prospect is that his (previous) supporters are not going to be as enthusiastic about him. He won't get the turnout like he did in 2008 when there was a rabid democratic surge that stemmed from 8 years of republican rule. Just like Bush provided fuel for the democrats to propel Obama into office, so too will Obama provide the fuel for Republicans which will expel him from office. There is a lot of Obama hate out there, a lot of hate. Some of it stems from the right reasons (his war-mongering, his economic misunderstandings, etc) and some of it stems from the wrong reasons (he's black, "he turk er jerbs," etc). Regardless of the reasons, right or wrong, there will be a surge to throw him out - especially when the economy is still in the gutter.

The only way Obama wins the next election is if he does something big to revitalize his waning base and something else to revitalize his waning moderate support. As mentioned, there are a lot of people fed up with Obama because he isn't liberal enough, but they are the minority (the far left is a significant minority anyways, they are just better organized than their competitors). The leftists are on the ropes and are losing "hope" while the right is surging, or rather "anti-Obamaism" is surging. Remember the elections last November (where there were waves of republicans kicking out democrats) was a referendum against Obama.

Everyone here is underestimating the stupidity and irrationality of the American voter. (if that's possible).

There a lot of people fed up with Obama because he started doing the things that he said he was going to do, and the people that voted for him are upset with him when he started doing those things that he said he was going to do. Swing voters - who determine the election, aren't going to line up for Obama this time and they'll flock like sheep to support the next demagogue. Most people don't have convicted political beliefs, they just line up and vote according to what ever is fashionable at the time. The election is over a year away and a lot can happen between now and then, but if I was a betting man, then I would bet that Obama is a "one-and-done" president. (Not because the republicans can field a better candidate, but because of the irrationality of American voters and their desire for instant change which Obama's challenger will represent.)

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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 3:49:39 PM   
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The problem with an Obama re-election prospect is that his (previous) supporters are not going to be as enthusiastic about him. He won't get the turnout like he did in 2008 when there was a rabid democratic surge that stemmed from 8 years of republican rule.


I'm with you this far.

From there, you're missing that unless the Republicans can come up with an exciting candidate (they may...it's still 16 months out), excitement doesn't necessarily swing their way. In a mid-term Congressional election, fine...but now they're the bums to throw out (though they have an advantage in terms of Democrats having more seats in the Senate to defend).

Even with low numbers, for him, Obama isn't low compared to other popular presidents (Reagan was much lower at this point...in the 30s), and more importantly, he still polls higher than Congress, and both poll higher than the Republican Party.

Add to this the Teas making a mockery of the right with their nutty candidates (their focus on problems would be fine without this), and the GOP has an uphill battle. It's still Obama's to lose, not theirs to win, at least not at this point.

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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 3:52:05 PM   
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what criteria persuades you to choose one person over another ?
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Just a quick question;

Of those you elect, do they ever turn out to be what they told you they would be ?

And before anyone says a political leader cannot help what things come in the future, I say, political possible leaders should not say anything about the future if they are elected, if they cannot predict the future.

In which case, why do you vote for a political leader, what criteria persuades you to choose one person over another ?



What criteria persuades you to choose one person over another ?



Generally I don't choose anyone over another, each I meet is to me what they are for being themselves, those I don't meet but hear about, well I believe nothing of what I hear.

Now politicians, they are an exception to my rule, for a politician is very much like a used car salesman, they try to sell you something that never quite matches up to expectations and that from experience.

So come voting time, I have elected not to vote and that because no one, no party inspires me to believe in them, as whatever a person is, they will always follow the party rule, so whatever promises were made pre election often never come to fruition and that also from experience. I am tired of listening to self interested liars that do not have the balls to stand up for what they believe, it's a gravy train politicians know it and I know they know it.

So in not voting I am displaying my disbelief and dismay at the whole thing, but if such a person ever comes along that inspires me to vote again, I will reconsider my stance, but in electing not to at this present time I am part of a protest which we know worries the political parties, voter turn out which if the protest ever goes full scale people electing not to vote shows the political system in this country is broken and needs fixing. I feel the system is broken, the method first past the post and the dominant parties being a shadow of each other, nothing will change if things stay the same as they have always been, the status quo will not be challenged.


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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 3:54:56 PM   
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The only way Obama wins the next election is if he does something big to revitalize his waning base and something else to revitalize his waning moderate support.


I think he'll get the moderate vote by default, considering the GOP is signing anti-abortion pledges and running super conservative Religious Right candidates.

In fact Obama would better be considered moderate than liberal at least in the sense that:

Liberal = national healthcare system
Moderate = healthcare reform without dismantling the capitalist system
Conservative = take funding away from Medicare/Medicaid

I'd be really happy if the GOP ran a reasonable candidate. It would make Obama have to work for his votes instead of just being handed them because the voter is turned off by the hardcore Christian right.

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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 4:07:13 PM   
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Everyone here is underestimating the stupidity and irrationality of the American voter. (if that's possible).


If ONLY they would just listen to you....






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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 4:22:08 PM   
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Everyone here is underestimating the stupidity and irrationality of the American voter. (if that's possible).

If ONLY they would just listen to you....


Yeah, the horror of taking my suggestions seriously when I propose that the US end it's wars and overseas operations. The horror!

Idiot.

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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 4:25:10 PM   
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You spew out PAGES worth of nothing but conjecture.



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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 4:28:09 PM   
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Pompous is as pompous does forest...


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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 4:28:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Measurable objective economic factors such as unemployment and disposable income historically influence incumbent presidential election success over perceived agenda and campaign promise performance. These factors include unemployment rates and disposable income levels in the contending voter blocks, blue and red and independent, which in turn drive economic well being perceptions and turnout of these same voter blocks. Since these factors are measurably bad then one can understand why the polls show Obama losing to "any" future GOP potential primary winner if the election were held today. Whether this will change before the election is held is the key question and one that will determine who the next president will be.

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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 4:31:53 PM   
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You spew out PAGES worth of nothing but conjecture.


This statement screams of irony!

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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 4:32:50 PM   
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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 4:33:03 PM   
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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 4:33:56 PM   
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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 4:43:18 PM   
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And accuracy.


Am I supposed to write some sort of research paper complete with citations? This is an internet message board. You, Stern, and everyone else that posts here (myself included) make statements that contain nothing but conjecture. That's the point of internet forums in the first place.


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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 4:48:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Then there's no problem.

Though I do frequently support my arguments, since you brought that up. In the Age of Google, supporting data isn't a chore to find, and it's more effective than merely sharing a perspective. Plus, instead of "Nuh-uh!!!", refutations can point to the evidence.


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RE: Disappointment with Obama - 7/2/2011 4:56:26 PM   
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Then there's no problem.

Though I do frequently support my arguments, since you brought that up. In the Age of Google, supporting data isn't a chore to find, and it's more effective than merely sharing a perspective. Plus, instead of "Nuh-uh!!!", refutations can point to the evidence.


This whole sideshow is more amusing than anything. The horror of me not citing a source for one of my arguments. My goodness gracious, what a lack of professionalism I say! I was unaware of the scholarship that is required to make a post on these BDSM message boards.




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