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Should the US have a VAT tax?


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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/9/2011 9:32:44 AM   
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Last year, between Federal, State and property taxes, I paid 44% of my income. That, of course, doesn't include the myriad other taxes that we pay for gasoline, telephone, cable, utilities, etc. AND O'scumbag wants to end the mortgage interest deduction which is the only deduction most families have aside from the dependent deduction.


Maybe it's already at 50% (Grinz)? Most go through life cock sure they've got shit figured out when in fact they don't take the time to think things out to any real depth. Is it any wonder that we would have so many Americans who don't pay taxes? Who the fuck wants to work from the time you're able to the time of an ever elusive retirement all the while paying half or more of your hard earned money into a government that's corrupt, wasteful and IMO becoming more and more tyrannical. Both through it's taxation and policies.

As I said before..One humongous shell game with the worlds smallest pea. The "payout" isn't worth it.

Hey MM, how about doing the math and seeing what you pay in actual percentages.




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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/9/2011 9:33:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59


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Well, I am a home owner so I get a few pennies back on that.
I went and got my current pay stub, I pay AT LEAST 30%-34% , of my yearly income
on Federal , State, and Property taxes.
**Also in Northern Virginia you also pay a Car tax!!!



Do you think I should just go ahead and pay 50% in taxes?
How much is fucking enough?


you also pay between 42 - 50 cents per gallon gas tax

I dont know what the natural gas tax is for heating

you pay for fcc tax on your phone plus transaction taxes

you pay 5 - 6 % on all goods you buy

all licenses are taxes

all insurance that is a "public" requirement is a tax.

anything required by the public, ordinance statute whatever is a tax.

just to name a few


the biggest kick in the ass is that the only way they can do this is to convert you to full corporate status with out limited corporate liability.

So forget being a Wo/Man cuz you all been fully fictionalized!

pay up or they come after you with guns and if you add up every tax you pay it would be about 70%, if not you missed something.







Last year, between Federal, State and property taxes, I paid 44% of my income.  That, of course, doesn't include the myriad other taxes that we pay for gasoline, telephone, cable, utilities, etc.  AND O'scumbag wants to end the mortgage interest deduction which is the only deduction most families have aside from the dependent deduction.


You think you can do better someplace else,go there.

You can`t, tho.So STFU and stop whining.

Btw,does your profile read as whiney as your forum posts do?

Maybe that`s why you`re single.


Nice approach!

So....since other countries rape steal and embezzle and this country only rape steals all is good and well.

Concerned people do something about it not move to another country because criminals running the guv would luv that.

The question I have is why are you siding with the criminals?



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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/9/2011 9:36:50 AM   
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The question I have is why are you siding with the criminals?

He's just being b-Owner59 at the moment.


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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/9/2011 9:37:21 AM   
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Because he is the dumbest, greediest and most unethical person on this board.  His posts prove it time and time again.  Owner59 is a shameless, entitlement recipient and the enemy of everyone on this board that actually loves this country.  Do not think for one moment that if there was a tax proposal to take money directly from YOU and give it directly to Owner59, he would jump at the opportunity and take every dime you had.  

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/9/2011 9:41:59 AM   
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Because he is the dumbest, greediest and most unethical person on this board.  His posts prove it time and time again.  Owner59 is a shameless, entitlement recipient and the enemy of everyone on this board that actually loves this country.  Do not think for one moment that if there was a tax proposal to take money directly from YOU and give it directly to Owner59, he would jump at the opportunity and take every dime you had.  


thats my whole bitch about democracy et al.   Democracy is force, the 51% gang over the 49% gang vho votes to take all your shit (taxation) and then if you dont put out (property/income taxes) they come with guns and force you out.  Even if you take none of what they consider benefits.  Oh wait breathing is a benefit too.


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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/9/2011 9:50:11 AM   
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Because he is the dumbest, greediest and most unethical person on this board.  His posts prove it time and time again.  Owner59 is a shameless, entitlement recipient and the enemy of everyone on this board that actually loves this country.  Do not think for one moment that if there was a tax proposal to take money directly from YOU and give it directly to Owner59, he would jump at the opportunity and take every dime you had.  


thats my whole bitch about democracy et al.   Democracy is force, the 51% gang over the 49% gang vho votes to take all your shit (taxation) and then if you dont put out (property/income taxes) they come with guns and force you out.  Even if you take none of what they consider benefits.  Oh wait breathing is a benefit too.



You are RIGHT!!!!  Democracy fails once 51% decides that the other 49% has to carry their freight.  And that, my friend, is where this country is almooooooost at.  Failure is imminent. 

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/9/2011 10:53:38 AM   
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Oh, I am sure it pales in comparision to Bell.. a city manager that was paid twice the US President is. Aint that a hoot, if it werent so friggin sad..

"In this city of fewer than 40,000 — 90 percent Latino, with an income well below the national average — the tiny political class took advantage of the residents' lack of civic engagement to create a slop-filled public trough for elites while cutting services and laying off workers.

Thanks to the Los Angeles Times, the public learned that city manager Robert Rizzo was making nearly $800,000, or twice that of the president of the United States, while his deputy was paid $376,000. Police Chief Randy Adams was pulling in $457,000, 50 percent more than Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck."

http://www.laweekly.com/2010-07-29/news/city-of-bell-corruption/




In 2007, our long time school superintendent convinced the school board to give him a raise. He received a free home, car which was replaced each year at tax payer expense (he liked BMW), free health care for himself and his family. His kids went to private school, which the city school board paid for. All total he made over $1 Million a year and was the highest paid public school superintendent in the country. Keep in mind, Erie is only the fourth largest city in PA, our schools are shoddy, there are 3 nurses employed by the school district and they must travel from school to school, most classes don't have enough books for all the students and my son's social studies book was 25 years old when he was in 7th grade. My 11 year old niece isn't even learning cursive writing--they aren't teaching cursive any more in our schools.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/9/2011 11:01:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: erieangel


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Oh, I am sure it pales in comparision to Bell.. a city manager that was paid twice the US President is. Aint that a hoot, if it werent so friggin sad..

"In this city of fewer than 40,000 — 90 percent Latino, with an income well below the national average — the tiny political class took advantage of the residents' lack of civic engagement to create a slop-filled public trough for elites while cutting services and laying off workers.

Thanks to the Los Angeles Times, the public learned that city manager Robert Rizzo was making nearly $800,000, or twice that of the president of the United States, while his deputy was paid $376,000. Police Chief Randy Adams was pulling in $457,000, 50 percent more than Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck."

http://www.laweekly.com/2010-07-29/news/city-of-bell-corruption/




In 2007, our long time school superintendent convinced the school board to give him a raise. He received a free home, car which was replaced each year at tax payer expense (he liked BMW), free health care for himself and his family. His kids went to private school, which the city school board paid for. All total he made over $1 Million a year and was the highest paid public school superintendent in the country. Keep in mind, Erie is only the fourth largest city in PA, our schools are shoddy, there are 3 nurses employed by the school district and they must travel from school to school, most classes don't have enough books for all the students and my son's social studies book was 25 years old when he was in 7th grade. My 11 year old niece isn't even learning cursive writing--they aren't teaching cursive any more in our schools.


So you must be on our side...the conservative side.  This is the kind of shit that makes us whiggy!  So doesn't your post argue in favor of some SERIOUS reform???

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/9/2011 11:33:15 AM   
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And then there's this:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/june-swoon-economy-added-almost-no-jobs-last-125737430.html




Eh, lockedaway, you are aware, I'm sure, that a lot of the job stiffling in June has been caused by the fact that so many government workers--teachers, police officers, etc., have been laid off? The private sector added jobs, but the public sector lost so many jobs, it amounted to only 18,000 new jobs total in June. I blame the republicans across the board for this jobs report.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/9/2011 11:36:25 AM   
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The private sector has not added jobs.  We are flat for two months.  You can't blame republicans for that.  That, my dear, is waaaaaay too simplistic.  The republicans did not cause the mortgage meltdown.  The republicans are not the party keeping us from drilling for oil.  I'm sorry, your blame is misplaced and I will tell you right now that 2012 is going to be MUCH worse than 2011.  You have my word.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/9/2011 11:42:08 AM   
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Nope, I'm a die hard, bleeding heart liberal. I am however against over paying of public servants. Congresspersons make too much, senators make too much, my city's school superintendent makes waaaay too much.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/9/2011 12:02:29 PM   
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Nope, I'm a die hard, bleeding heart liberal.

Why would anyone be a die-hard anything when it comes to national issues?

I'm just an American who doesn't follow a particular party line because not one party has all of the best answers.


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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/9/2011 12:53:05 PM   
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Nope, I'm a die hard, bleeding heart liberal.

Why would anyone be a die-hard anything when it comes to national issues?

I'm just an American who doesn't follow a particular party line because not one party has all of the best answers.



I'm a die hard liberal, i didn't say i've never voted for a republican--though in the recent climate and with the ideology the republicans have been spewing it will be a long time before i do again. Congressman Phil English was one of the most effective congressmen my district has had in my lifetime--both Kathy Dahlkemper and the current congressman we have (i can't even remember his name right now) are losers.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/11/2011 5:53:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: erieangel


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And then there's this:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/june-swoon-economy-added-almost-no-jobs-last-125737430.html




Eh, lockedaway, you are aware, I'm sure, that a lot of the job stiffling in June has been caused by the fact that so many government workers--teachers, police officers, etc., have been laid off? The private sector added jobs, but the public sector lost so many jobs, it amounted to only 18,000 new jobs total in June. I blame the republicans across the board for this jobs report.



why would anyone blame any politician for trimming entrenched pork


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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/11/2011 6:07:49 PM   
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Democracy fails once 51% decides that the other 49% has to carry their freight. And that, my friend, is where this country is almooooooost at. Failure is imminent.


Nah. Bitching is imminent. And that's as old as time.

So are proclamations of doom.

Enjoy the rapture, btw?

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/11/2011 6:09:31 PM   
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Absolutely positively not. It's a way for the obama's of the world to hid the tax and keep voters and congress from having a say. I want to see the plan to shrink government before there is any talk of ANY taxes.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/11/2011 6:39:53 PM   
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oh gawd forbid!

guv is good!

we have country trucks on literally ever 2 to 3 blocks pruning fucking flowers watering them and standing on their shovels.

its operation-mission-critical function of our honest fucking joe guv


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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/12/2011 4:37:08 AM   
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In which case, perhaps you should have said something back when all of the private sector businesses started outsourcing their workforce, and there's now be a few other big employers left in your country besides the evil Feds.

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/13/2011 10:20:42 AM   
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Bill O’Reilly Calls For New National Sales Tax

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RE: Should the US have a VAT tax? - 7/13/2011 11:10:16 AM   
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I want to see the plan to shrink government before there is any talk of ANY taxes.


Government has been shrinking and shrinking and shrinking as a percentage of population and of GDP for decades at the federal level. And with each abdication of services, state and local governments have had to expand at a faster corresponding rate, contributing to the financial mess facing several states today.

More of the same that got us here. That's perhaps not the best plan.

More thinking, less knee-jerking. Life is bigger than just you.

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