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lockedaway -> RE: O'dingdong admits welfare = dependency (7/9/2011 11:24:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Bold ,enlarged print......I`m flattered.....[:)] Yes Owner....bold and enlarged print. Because you are worth it. :) I'm reaching out to you. Do you think that people that receive welfare...money from the public till....should do something to earn it? Yes or no.

MrRodgers -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/9/2011 11:28:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle The way they wrap themselves in the American Flag is the give away. It's like a married closeted gay guy growing a big macho beard to reassure himself. But do they ever consider what they're doing when they wipe their messy BBQ hands on a flag napkin and throw it in the garbage? I think not. They don't really hate America...they hate, hate hate not being in power. They just love power more. It is at these times it only seems like they hate America and for voting them out of congress in 2006 and out of the white house 2008. Now when in the house and in power, they cast a coy glance at America. Then put repubs in the white house and senate come 2012, they will love, love love America...corporate America.

MrRodgers -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/9/2011 11:30:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne the end result of both party's are the same. it has nothing to do with hate. its just business. They hell they are the same.

joether -> RE: O'dingdong admits welfare = dependency (7/9/2011 11:33:41 AM)
I wrote a really good, and long post. But frankly I dont think the conservatives on here have the maturity or educational level to handle the topic. Most likely they would respond to the whole of the document with a one line answer (see #5 reason from the post I'm not posting...).

MrRodgers -> RE: O'dingdong admits welfare = dependency (7/9/2011 11:35:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ArizonaBossMan Even the terminally stupid like Dear Leader can often find the truth: http://blog.heritage.org/2011/07/09/president-obama-admits-welfare-encourages-dependency/ But the real cure comes November 2012 Wall street again ? Come on kinkbots, you know we ALL live in a FREE market where the strong flourish and the weakkneed like the investor class...run to Wash for some more $ billions in welfare...to keep that flourish go'n on. So let's keep wall street (and banker) welfare out of this ok ?

MrRodgers -> RE: O'dingdong admits welfare = dependency (7/9/2011 11:40:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 "some"...."in the past".... He`s not implying what you hateful angry extreme republicans are. You two are just not familiar with candor and honesty. It`s refreshing really,not scapegoating as the problem. Read the article, look at the numbers and do the math. You support handouts. You support failure. The time for people sitting on their asses and collecting a check is OVER. The till is very nearly empty. If you are too obtuse to understand that now, you will understand it shortly. What unmitigated bullshit.

MrRodgers -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/9/2011 11:45:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 It`s not America so much as it`s Americans they hate. Let`s look at recent events(just 2 and a half years ago) They,the republicans helped,aided,covered for, abetted and enabled the banksters to steal our savings. Then, the cons signed an IOU for hundreds of billions more of OUR HARD EARNED MONEY to give the bankers AGAIN and left us to pay the IOU,which we still owe now,today. They were LOSING ,let alone creating, a hundred thousand existing jobs a month.A 100,000 jobs lost,every month.What`s that a year? Then,after devastating the private sector middle class,they targeted (and are doing great damage to) the public sector middle-class,...unions,teachers,cops,EMTs,firemen,etc. under the guise of "being financially responsible"[8\|]. They actually welcome any loss of jobs,...... and even celebrate them,.....if, they are public sector jobs,if...they are union jobs,if.....they are teachers or sanitation workers,if the work the road crew,etc.You know,the heavy hand of government.[8\|] That`s the strategy really. Put government in debt(still our debt,the middle class`to pay off,btw)and then some and then claim there`s no money for battered women and their kids or for,CHIP,WIC,Planned Parenthood or any other social program that THEY DON`T LIKE. They can`t get their way through normal channels or with ideas folks embrace. So,instead they seek to starve government of money,and ram-rod their form of social agenda through,..... to get to the ends they want and can`t get otherwise,like through law making,the ballad box,etc. They don`t care how they shrink government even if it means a lot of Americans suffer. Like today,I don`t see so much sympathy or apathy for the unemployed or over the jobs situation. I see cons taking delight in it. How fucked up is that? Keep telling that lie, maybe just maybe, someone other than a moron like yourself will believe it. In fact the above is true, you just don't want to admit what has gone on in this country for the investors class which continues to this day to get away with financial murder as soon as derivatives (financial insurance) comes the bill to pay. They'll be coming to Wash, in their corporate jets, giving you the finger, have their $700 dinners all of the while telling you to bail them out yet again. Now that's my...kind of welfare.

MrRodgers -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/9/2011 11:46:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway quote: ORIGINAL: Louve00 Wow, subrob, resorting to calling him a moron, just because he's calling it as he sees it and you can't think of anything to come back with..... oh yea, that's right, your satisfaction is he's a moron. That certainly solves a lot of problems!! [:'(] Sorry Louve, Subrob is calling Owner a moron for good reason. The banking meltdown was started by Carter, accelerated drastically by Clinton and was warned about by Bush in 17 speeches/press releases. For Owner59 to ignore historical fact is moronic and unethical. Talk about grasping at straws ? I sure would like to read some specifics about just what Carter and Clinton did. I am not holding my breath though.

lockedaway -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/9/2011 11:48:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway quote: ORIGINAL: Louve00 Wow, subrob, resorting to calling him a moron, just because he's calling it as he sees it and you can't think of anything to come back with..... oh yea, that's right, your satisfaction is he's a moron. That certainly solves a lot of problems!! [:'(] Sorry Louve, Subrob is calling Owner a moron for good reason. The banking meltdown was started by Carter, accelerated drastically by Clinton and was warned about by Bush in 17 speeches/press releases. For Owner59 to ignore historical fact is moronic and unethical. Talk about grasping at straws ? I sure would like to read some specifics about just what Carter and Clinton did. I am not holding my breath though. Mr.Rodgers, I asked you a very simple question. Should people who receive welfare, which is taxpayer funded, have to do something to earn it. Yes or No? Just answer the question and the public discourse can continue.

Owner59 -> RE: O'dingdong admits welfare = dependency (7/9/2011 11:50:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Bold ,enlarged print......I`m flattered.....[:)] Yes Owner....bold and enlarged print. Because you are worth it. :) I'm reaching out to you. Do you think that people that receive welfare...money from the public till....should do something to earn it? Yes or no. I don`t know what that would look like. Neither do you. Who`s going to look after the kids? Another thousand government employees to check and keep track of jobs/paychecks/status? You`ll still want to cut money from them anyway.You really don`t care about the homeless or out of luck.They`re just bums looking to soak the system. It`s not the small amounts of abuse that go on,that bother you(and rich)it`s that you don`t want to pay. You images of welfare mothers driving to get their welfare checks in new Cadillacs,getting fat on food-stamps in section 8 apts.,poping baby after baby out, to get more money .That`s a bunch of crap, designed for bullshitting for the gullible. If republicans could do a better job with cheats, they haven`t yet.The only answer is eliminate and cut. Ya know,Arkansas has some of the lowest taxes in the nation.The lowest when Bill Clinton was governor.They also have(had) some of the lowest amounts of state/local services. Same with Tennessee.They got like zero like welfare down there.A conservative`s paradise. http://www.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/10/firefighters-watch-home-burn-down-because-owner-hadnt-paid-75-city-fee/1 Have fuck`n fun with those for fee fire companies,that you`re "free" to opt out of, who`ll watch your house burn if you didn`t "pay".

MrRodgers -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/9/2011 11:51:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Towns and cities and states choose their own budgets yearly,usually by vote.Or by their representative,who is also voted on .Your town and state make their own rules and tax code.No one else. They (or in your town,you) choose to do what they want and make the budgets they want make,by voting.It`s called democracy,capiche? It`s none of your business what other municipalities do with their money.Towns cities and states are free to do what they want.That`s what freedom is. The only place you get to choose or have a say is your own town (and state, when that election comes).People from Oshkosh don`t have a say what goes on in your town,you don`t have a say what goes on in Oshkosh.If you don`t like how your town or state taxes,move to one you think you can do better. If you want or think you can do better,earn a better living and pay less overall in taxes/fees/tolls someplace other than your present town/state,by all means move there. You can`t tho.You can`t find a better deal b/c there isn`t one "somewhere else".The reason the north east NYC metro area is where people flock is b/c the money and jobs are here.There aren`t as many and as well paying jobs in Oshkosh.As beautiful and bucolic as Oshkosh is,it`s not cheaper overall to live there.It`s about the same give or take. You can`t make as much money in Oshkosh so the lower property taxes there are taking the same percentage of your income.Cars and gas and food aren`t much cheaper in Oshkosh either.So that awsome lower property tax savings you got from moving there means didlie. I hear the state of Alaska gives every one a yearly check from gas/oil sales ,and that taxes are lower.Win win,just bring plenty of bug spray for the bird sized mosquito's and a good down parka for the rest of the year.lol Good luck.[:D] And if you think you can find a better deal anywhere else in the world,you`re wrong. No where in the 1st world do citizens keep more of what they earn or have more liberty.Try and tell us where there`s a better deal, than in America. You don`t tho, get to opt out of paying if you live here and enjoy what your community has to offer.No one gets to opt out,anywhere,except maybe some places in the 3rd world. But by all means, have at that too. That was probably one of the most prescient posts I have ever read from you. Here is your problem. People make money in the No. East and then they flee to Pa, NoCar, SoCar, Texas and Florida. There is a MASS EXODUS out of the No. East. And who is replacing those serious wage earners??? Nobody. NOOOOOOBODY. So if I liquidate e everything and leave with 2 million in my pocket, the state gets some of it as I am leaving but the $20,000 to $30,000 they were getting every year is gone forever. Now...what does that mean, Owner??? It means that we have to make this area more completitive or it is going to go into the toilet. :) Yea we know...the word is out. Everybody wants to go to a red state as the top 10 states receiving more from the feds then paying in...are red. Go figure.

Lucylastic -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/9/2011 11:52:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Whats to stop any business taking on welfare workers as part of workfare, and getting rid of their other staff, to get "slave" labour at a tenth of the cost for the same hours and no bennies. the same as theyve been doing already with any incentive to hire youth, disabled, or workfare recipents. Of course workfare seems reasonable to you, its a huge slave pool ignored because its not a yes or no answer?? black and white is so very pointless and an expectation of such simplicity is beyond stupid to be dangerous

lockedaway -> RE: O'dingdong admits welfare = dependency (7/9/2011 11:58:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Bold ,enlarged print......I`m flattered.....[:)] Yes Owner....bold and enlarged print. Because you are worth it. :) I'm reaching out to you. Do you think that people that receive welfare...money from the public till....should do something to earn it? Yes or no. I don`t know what that would look like. Neither do you. Who`s going to look after the kids? Another thousand government employees to check and keep track of jobs/paychecks/status? You`ll still want to cut money from them anyway.You really don`t care about the homeless or out of luck.They`re just bums looking to soak the system. It`s not the small amounts of abuse that go on,that bother you(and rich)it`s that you don`t want to pay. You images of welfare mothers driving to get their welfare checks in new Cadillacs,getting fat on food-stamps in section 8 apts.,poping baby after baby out, to get more money .That`s a bunch of crap, designed for bullshitting for the gullible. If republicans could do a better job with cheats, they haven`t yet.The only answer is eliminate and cut. Ya know,Arkansas has some of the lowest taxes in the nation.The lowest when Bill Clinton was governor.They also have(had) some of the lowest amounts of state/local services. Same with Tennessee.They got like zero like welfare down there.A conservative`s paradise. http://www.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/10/firefighters-watch-home-burn-down-because-owner-hadnt-paid-75-city-fee/1 Have fuck`n fun with those private fire companies who`ll watch your house burn if you didn`t pay your primiums. That isn't true. Arkansas' state income tax is 6% for anything over $30,000.00. There are a number of states that are much more favorable than Arkansas. So...you believe that people should have to do nothing to get a welfare check? You want to use mothers as your red herring, right? Those welfare mothers? Are all people on welfare mothers Owner? Picking up trash is a valuable service, is it not? Someone receiving welfare could pick up trash for 4 hours per day and have the rest of the day to look for work and we would have cleaner neighborhoods, right? What about this, employers volunteer to allow welfare recipients to work at their businesses for 4 hours a day. The employer does not pay them because they are getting welfare. But those recipients may also be picking up job skills. Right? What about all of those welfare mothers? Who is going to watch their children. Is that the idiocy of your argument? Because if it is, then those welfare mothers never have to work, do they? Not until the kids are emancipated, right? Or are you just saying that welfare mothers have to watch their children until they are enrolled in school and then aftercare? Did you know there is care provided in the early mornings as well? Really...the whole welfare mother argument is very very thin. The fact is hat you want people not to work. They make up the voting base for the liberalism that is crippling this country and that you hold so dear.

lockedaway -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/9/2011 12:06:21 PM)
Now...here is the unfortunate part of all of this. This is what you have to take from the microcosm of the discussion I had with Owner; the chasm that exists between conservatives and liberals can NEVER be broached. That brings us inextricably back to class warfare, left vs. right, those who need to take vs those who work for what they have. It brings us back to liberals being the ENEMIES of conservatives and vice versa. No...this isn't my theory. This is Karl Marx' theory. To my fellow conservatives...keep the faith. To you liberal, commie, no good, lazy low life rat bastards.......and you know who you are......get a life!!

MrRodgers -> RE: O'dingdong admits welfare = dependency (7/9/2011 12:11:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Bold ,enlarged print......I`m flattered.....[:)] Yes Owner....bold and enlarged print. Because you are worth it. :) I'm reaching out to you. Do you think that people that receive welfare...money from the public till....should do something to earn it? Yes or no. Ok let's net this out ok ? I had a close relative who owned a 'qualifying' farm in Ohio. Now this relative did not farm on this...farm, ok, he and his small family...just lived there ? Republican ? ALL the way. Hated those hazy, liberal welfare sloth ? Yes. Working real hard on his farm ? No...not farming at all. Instead he was a construction contractor and not a real good one, kinda small and struggling. Ah, but that's ok because you see he owned a farm. He was a 'qualifying' farmer. Ain't that precious ? That means that as a farm and given a mortgage well, it and he would otherwise go bankrupt...anytime. You see he wasn't a real hard working (very successful) contractor. No problem but for a check from the state of Ohio and the federal govt. to the tune of $60,000/yr...he was just fine thank you. That's his kinda welfare, ya know...the good kind for those hard working, white republican farmers. [sic]

Owner59 -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/9/2011 12:13:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Whats to stop any business taking on welfare workers as part of workfare, and getting rid of their other staff, to get "slave" labour at a tenth of the cost for the same hours and no bennies. the same as theyve been doing already with any incentive to hire youth, disabled, or workfare recipents. Of course workfare seems reasonable to you, its a huge slave pool ignored because its not a yes or no answer?? black and white is so very pointless and an expectation of such simplicity is beyond stupid to be dangerous You should apologize to Lucy. She has been very gracious and patient with you and also civil. The " I can say what I want,insult who I want cuz I`m behind a computer, won`t get you much respect from the serious posters here. You shouldn`t say anything here you wouldn`t say to a person`s face.I don`t. You should send her a c-mail apologizing and hope that she`ll continue to hold up her end of the discussion with you.

slvemike4u -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/9/2011 12:20:14 PM)
Locked,I have a life...so there is no need to "get a life". Allow me to give you a little glimpse of it....I wake up when I want(disabled,no job...lol) decide which of the three golf course at which I enjoy Platinum Membership I shall grace with my presence. After playing a few holes( there are times when I can not play a full 18... Solely due to my back issues....I have all the time in the world....lol). After that I go home and will most days work out with some light weights ....can not allow my disability to cause me to waste away to nothing...how would I enjoy the golf? At that point I just might relax in the jacuzzi for a bit....the hot water helps with the back.....at any point during this day I might,or might not take a nice little vicodin to aid in my relaxation....free of charge of course....lol. So allow me to thank you for your contribution to my lifestyle .....I couldn't do it without you [:D]

Lucylastic -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/9/2011 12:21:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway Now...here is the unfortunate part of all of this. This is what you have to take from the microcosm of the discussion I had with Owner; the chasm that exists between conservatives and liberals can NEVER be broached. That brings us inextricably back to class warfare, left vs. right, those who need to take vs those who work for what they have. It brings us back to liberals being the ENEMIES of conservatives and vice versa. No...this isn't my theory. This is Karl Marx' theory. To my fellow conservatives...keep the faith. To you liberal, commie, no good, lazy low life rat bastards.......and you know who you are......get a life!! 8 million people are unemployed in under a year.. left and right now a lot of them will be on welfare, because they cannot find a job how can you ascribe those people on welfare as being for those who want to take and not give anything back. when they cant work, find a job, or afford to live, you are a black and white person, you cannot argue beyond that...you have proven it. Ugly dood, soul heart and mind, it ooozes from you like poison. I would never want to be anything like you shudder

Louve00 -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/9/2011 12:28:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway And here is my response: 1. When Reagan re-did the tax code, the top bracket was 28%. OK? H.W. took it up to 35% and Clinton up to 39.5%. Please don't tell me how great a president Clinton was, he gutted the military, he had the benefit of a dot com BOOM and it burst and his presidency ended in recession. Let me ask you this and I really would like an answer. Do you think it is fair for the federal government to take 39.5% of your income and allow a state like New Jersey to take another 9% all the while as you are paying .52 cents per gallon of gasoline in taxes? Property taxes? FCC line charges? Taxes on your cable? Tolls on your road? Do you "really" think is is fair for people to lose 55% of their income and some people even more? Doesn't that render this government a tyranny? What happened your right to pursue happiness? You are a slave!!!!!!! 2. What burden are Republicans putting the working man? Oh...do you mean a responsibility to pay 3% towards their health care? Really??? I pay 100% of my health care. I pay 100% of my retirement. I work as hard, if not harder, than anyone. I carry my own freight and I cost YOU nothing. Isn't it about time that everyone pay more to support themselves? 3. You want to pay more in your taxes? Go ahead. It is voluntary. Pay all you like. 4. What could Bush do to stop the mortgage meltdown. He came out and said that the repeal of Glass Steagall was a mistake and those protections had to be re-instituted. They were not (that would have required a bill) and they have not been under O'scumbag. 5. Two terms to fix? The fix is easy....a corporate flat tax, massive government lay offs, a flat income tax and a one year suspension of the capital gains tax. If those things were done, this country would explode in financial activity. The Dow would shoot up over 15,000. His first term has been an abject failure. 6. Your last paragraph does not make sense. Please re-read it. You still have to pay a self employment tax and the payroll tax if you hire someone. You also have to pay mandatory worker's compensation insurance. You ask whether it is the nation's obligation for small business to succeed. The answer is yes. By not taxing small businesses to death many would have a much greater chance at success. 7. You did not give me your thoughts on the estate tax. Do you support democrats confiscating private property with a estate tax at $200,000.? Ok.... 1. First, I never even mentioned Clinton. I don't believe in blaming the current on the past. Granted, the past is what we're working on now, but to go as far back as Carter is getting rather ridiculous (I mean we are getting well into more than one decade here and all because Carter started it? Really???? And tell me not to tell you that Clinton wasn't a great president is not only what you wanted me to say, but what I didn't say. 2. I am not going to spend the day on google, googling facts that you and I will never agree with. The fact is, I have yet to see any republican look for a fix to healthcare. I just recently bought some health insurance. Before that I too payed for 100% of my healthcare, but as I get older I must face the facts that age will place burdens of ill health on me just because I'm becoming decrepit (sorta lol). Although, I happen to know that under Obama's new health reform, (unless the republicans repeal it, which is what they are trying to do with all their might), that they can't deny me the coverage I need if I do get terribly sick. I know before that reform, when my husband got cancer, his insurance company (that we faithfully pd premiums on for years before) suddenly said this wasn't covered and that wasn't covered. So much so, that to help keep the cancer from winning his battle, we refinanced our house to pay for his insurance denied treatment and STILL paid the premiums so they'd help with what they were helping with. Now THAT made me bitter as hell towards insurance company and the whole "health care" farce that was going on and that I was forced to open my eyes and see it. As far as retirement. I have a retirement that was made in the private sector, so I can only hope (Hope hard) it's still intact when I get to that point. (So far it is, as I've been calling Hartford every year to make sure of that, because my pension does not come from Wall St. My 401K does. So I don't pay 100% for my retirement. I'm sorry if you haven't figured out a better way to make it easier on you when you reach your golden years. Maybe a financial consult will help you there? 3. No, I don't want to pay more for my taxes and never stated that I did want that. I can't help that you twisted my words from "I would be willing to pay my fair share of taxes if taxes went up on the middle class when the tax cuts expired on the wealthiest in my country. Pay attention, don't assume please. 4. The moment Bush started to warn. From the very first warning, he should have started to talk to the Dept of the Treasury, to Congress, to anyone who could help him reign in the pandemonium. Not just sit back and say "Hey folks, I told ya so". Because now we are sure paying a lot to let Wall St run rampant like it did. And yes, I blame Wall St. 5. A flat tax? I don't know where you live, but down here in Florida. Big corporations have so many tax breaks and loop holes, that only 2% of businesses in Florida pay taxes at all!! So, good luck trying to convince them they have to pay anything at all!!! http://stephen3100047.newsvine.com/_news/2011/05/08/6606918-guess-how-few-florida-businesses-pay-corporate-taxes 6. I did not own a small business. I was self employed. I had to pay a self employment tax (on just me,..one individual, or one household) because I didn't have an employer. And small businesses are the ones who do pay their taxes as in #5. Its the larger corporations we covet and protect. 7. I didn't realize you even mentioned an estate tax in your first post to me, or in any interactions we had until now, so did not give you an opinion. First, you have to realize, I am not a democrat. I am liberal, but am independent. And no, I do not support anyone taking anything from anyone, especially if a loved one passed and left it to them. Now, paying taxes on whatever gain that inheritance left them is another thing. But to confiscate their property, no. If they cannot afford the taxes on it, they can either sell part of the estate for the money or work out a deal with IRS. If you are telling me they will flat out confiscate property just because it was willed to you and you can't afford the taxes, then the one who willed it should have known the laws better and put it into a trust, instead. (If I am understanding you right). Edited to correct the link I pasted above, which for some reason reverts back to the wrong link I initially clicked on, so here is the link I was referring to in #5 http://stephen3100047.newsvine.com/_news/2011/05/08/6606918-guess-how-few-florida-businesses-pay-corporate-taxes Or hell. I just clicked on the first link and read farther down and it does give the same information. Maybe its just time for me to bow out. (You're driving me bonkers, lockedaway [;)])

BitaTruble -> RE: welfare = dependency (7/9/2011 12:35:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway Mr.Roders, I don't know who you are but in 4 posts, you haven't said anything. Why don't YOU answer the question that I put to Owner59. Do you feel that people receiving welfare, which is money from the public till, should do something to earn it? Yes or No. You didn't ask me, but I'm going to answer anyway. I'm a bitatruble thataway. 110 stat. 2105 It has to do with the way you word the question and the request for a simple yes or no answer to a question which is far more complex than a simple yes or no can answer. Given only those two options, I have to answer no. I am more than happy to expand on that answer if you so desire but it's going to take us out of the realm of yes or no and delve into the complexities of the issue.

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