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lockedaway -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/9/2011 11:16:41 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Louve00
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ORIGINAL: lockedaway
And here is my response:
1. When Reagan re-did the tax code, the top bracket was 28%. OK? H.W. took it up to 35% and Clinton up to 39.5%. Please don't tell me how great a president Clinton was, he gutted the military, he had the benefit of a dot com BOOM and it burst and his presidency ended in recession. Let me ask you this and I really would like an answer. Do you think it is fair for the federal government to take 39.5% of your income and allow a state like New Jersey to take another 9% all the while as you are paying .52 cents per gallon of gasoline in taxes? Property taxes? FCC line charges? Taxes on your cable? Tolls on your road? Do you "really" think is is fair for people to lose 55% of their income and some people even more? Doesn't that render this government a tyranny? What happened your right to pursue happiness? You are a slave!!!!!!!
2. What burden are Republicans putting the working man? Oh...do you mean a responsibility to pay 3% towards their health care? Really??? I pay 100% of my health care. I pay 100% of my retirement. I work as hard, if not harder, than anyone. I carry my own freight and I cost YOU nothing. Isn't it about time that everyone pay more to support themselves?
3. You want to pay more in your taxes? Go ahead. It is voluntary. Pay all you like.
4. What could Bush do to stop the mortgage meltdown. He came out and said that the repeal of Glass Steagall was a mistake and those protections had to be re-instituted. They were not (that would have required a bill) and they have not been under O'scumbag.
5. Two terms to fix? The fix is easy....a corporate flat tax, massive government lay offs, a flat income tax and a one year suspension of the capital gains tax. If those things were done, this country would explode in financial activity. The Dow would shoot up over 15,000. His first term has been an abject failure.
6. Your last paragraph does not make sense. Please re-read it. You still have to pay a self employment tax and the payroll tax if you hire someone. You also have to pay mandatory worker's compensation insurance. You ask whether it is the nation's obligation for small business to succeed. The answer is yes. By not taxing small businesses to death many would have a much greater chance at success.
7. You did not give me your thoughts on the estate tax. Do you support democrats confiscating private property with a estate tax at $200,000.?
Ok....
1. First, I never even mentioned Clinton. I don't believe in blaming the current on the past. Granted, the past is what we're working on now, but to go as far back as Carter is getting rather ridiculous (I mean we are getting well into more than one decade here and all because Carter started it? Really???? And tell me not to tell you that Clinton wasn't a great president is not only what you wanted me to say, but what I didn't say.
2. I am not going to spend the day on google, googling facts that you and I will never agree with. The fact is, I have yet to see any republican look for a fix to healthcare. I just recently bought some health insurance. Before that I too payed for 100% of my healthcare, but as I get older I must face the facts that age will place burdens of ill health on me just because I'm becoming decrepit (sorta lol). Although, I happen to know that under Obama's new health reform, (unless the republicans repeal it, which is what they are trying to do with all their might), that they can't deny me the coverage I need if I do get terribly sick. I know before that reform, when my husband got cancer, his insurance company (that we faithfully pd premiums on for years before) suddenly said this wasn't covered and that wasn't covered. So much so, that to help keep the cancer from winning his battle, we refinanced our house to pay for his insurance denied treatment and STILL paid the premiums so they'd help with what they were helping with. Now THAT made me bitter as hell towards insurance company and the whole "health care" farce that was going on and that I was forced to open my eyes and see it. As far as retirement. I have a retirement that was made in the private sector, so I can only hope (Hope hard) it's still intact when I get to that point. (So far it is, as I've been calling Hartford every year to make sure of that, because my pension does not come from Wall St. My 401K does. So I don't pay 100% for my retirement. I'm sorry if you haven't figured out a better way to make it easier on you when you reach your golden years. Maybe a financial consult will help you there?
3. No, I don't want to pay more for my taxes and never stated that I did want that. I can't help that you twisted my words from "I would be willing to pay my fair share of taxes if taxes went up on the middle class when the tax cuts expired on the wealthiest in my country. Pay attention, don't assume please.
4. The moment Bush started to warn. From the very first warning, he should have started to talk to the Dept of the Treasury, to Congress, to anyone who could help him reign in the pandemonium. Not just sit back and say "Hey folks, I told ya so". Because now we are sure paying a lot to let Wall St run rampant like it did. And yes, I blame Wall St.
5. A flat tax? I don't know where you live, but down here in Florida. Big corporations have so many tax breaks and loop holes, that only 2% of businesses in Florida pay taxes at all!! So, good luck trying to convince them they have to pay anything at all!!!
http://stephen3100047.newsvine.com/_news/2011/05/08/6606918-guess-how-few-florida-businesses-pay-corporate-taxes
6. I did not own a small business. I was self employed. I had to pay a self employment tax (on just me,..one individual, or one household) because I didn't have an employer. And small businesses are the ones who do pay their taxes as in #5. Its the larger corporations we covet and protect.
7. I didn't realize you even mentioned an estate tax in your first post to me, or in any interactions we had until now, so did not give you an opinion. First, you have to realize, I am not a democrat. I am liberal, but am independent. And no, I do not support anyone taking anything from anyone, especially if a loved one passed and left it to them. Now, paying taxes on whatever gain that inheritance left them is another thing. But to confiscate their property, no. If they cannot afford the taxes on it, they can either sell part of the estate for the money or work out a deal with IRS. If you are telling me they will flat out confiscate property just because it was willed to you and you can't afford the taxes, then the one who willed it should have known the laws better and put it into a trust, instead. (If I am understanding you right).
Edited to correct the link I pasted above, which for some reason reverts back to the wrong link I initially clicked on, so here is the link I was referring to in #5
http://stephen3100047.newsvine.com/_news/2011/05/08/6606918-guess-how-few-florida-businesses-pay-corporate-taxes
Or hell. I just clicked on the first link and read farther down and it does give the same information. Maybe its just time for me to bow out. (You're driving me bonkers, lockedaway [;)])
1. Yes, the train jumped the track with Carter. If you are going to look at the history of something, LOOK AT THE HISTORY. Just like the other poster that stated, accurately, that sitting on your ass and collecting welfare was an invention of the LBJ administration. The brain dead amongst the liberals (Owner59 specifically) say that you can't change welfare because of welfare mothers....albeit a narrow segment of the population. It is a stupid and fatuous argument. We can put people into space but we can't figure out how to make welfare mothers contribute back into the system. It is so fucking stupid an argument that it is a waste of time to address it. The only thing you need to take away from that argument is that the class divisions will never be healed.
2. You are dead wrong on this issue. The republicans have been saying right along that there should be portability with insurance policies and that people should be able to buy insurance from any state that is willing to cover you even though you live in another state. Those are VERY simple solutions. How far will those solutions go to rectify our problems? WHO THE FUCK KNOWS!!!!!! The government should have first tried to advance the private sector, not destroy it. Instead they opted to try to make all health insurance a function of the U.S. Government by making people by a product for their own protection which is in direct contravention of the constitution. I know you won't agree with anything I have just said despite its absolute accuracy. So please tell me...why do we continue to talk about this or post on these threads? The battle lines are clearly drawn. Isn't all of this an exercise in futility?????? As far as planning for my retirement, I have in excess of 2 million dollars in equity. I'm not all that worried about it to tell you the truth. But the fact of the matter is that I AM 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR MY RETIREMENT WHICH IS MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR THE LOSER CLASS OF LOWLIFE LIBERALS THAT INHABIT THIS BOARD LIKE TERMITES.
3. Ahem....moving right along.... Again...I have asked you repeatedly. How much money should people lose on their dollar. I get fucking sick and tired of asking this question. You have a dollar, 35% is spoken for by the Fed., 9% is spoken for by the State of New Jersey (6% would be spoken for by the state of Arkansas....Google your own state), then you may have to pay property taxes. You still have to pay sales taxes, gasoline taxes, tolls, permits, fees, licenses, cable taxes, utility taxes, payroll taxes, etc. Now Goddammit, for the last time, how much should a person lose out of every fucking dollar they make? With everything I have said, the person being destroyed by this tax scheme is paying over 50%. How much fucking more do you want people to have to pay. GO ON...GIVE ME A PERCENTAGE!!!!
And after you give me that percentage, realize that the taxpayer is paying that kind of money for the pieces of shit in our country that don't pay anything. Not only don't pay anything...but take on top of it. Remember that.
4. Don't fucking blame Bush!!!! Blame the cocksucker that signed the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act. Why the fuck do you give Clinton a pass????? Look...Glass Steagall was repealed in a BI-PARTISAN measure which means that both parties signed onto this massive debacle. STILL the president (Clinton sex offender) could have vetoed it. Got it? Lay blame where blames deserves to be placed. In order for Bush to have made a change, a bill would have had to been presented to him to re-instate the Glass Steagall Act.....ARE WE CLEAR ON THIS POINT?
5. Yes...a flat tax. Don't you understand that a flat tax will result in an INCREASE in taxes in some cases? It is a flat tax. Understand? There will be no deductions taken against it which is why it is pitched at only 10%.
6. Yes...they will flat out take the property. Let's get back to some figures; O'scumbag wants an estate tax that kicks in at $200,000.00. You can't bequeath a telephone booth in NJ and not have it be valued in excess of $200,000.00. (Ok...a wee bit of hyperbole but anyone that lives in NJ knows how expensive it is.) The Republicans want the estate tax to kick in at 2mm. Let's do some math, shall we? The Republicans want to give you 1.8million dollars more in protection from the IRS than the Democrats. ARE WE CLEAR ON THIS POINT.
If you are a liberal, you are a sworn enemy to liberty. You need to learn the truth. Here is a book you should read "Liberty and Tyranny" by Mark Levin. I will tell you what, if you read it and allow me to quiz you on it, I will send the price of the book to your paypal account if you have one. Fair enough?
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