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I will try to address this point one more time though - If work gets done faster, then (try to stay with me) less man hours are needed to do the job. Less man hours means... THAT SOMEONE ISN'T GETTING PAID!

When someone is being mentored in how to do a job correctly, I can tell you from direct experience that everything takes longer. And if they're not being specifically trained to take over that job, then once they can do it with reasonable skill and efficiency they move on to another learning task. That's how we trained new executive hires in our company. You had to know everything from the ground up before you got to plant your ass in the big chair.

Unpaid interns wouldn't necessarily be expected to learn as much as a new executive hire. But they would learn a lot of transferrable job skills, and be getting actual experience working and interacting in a business atmosphere. I think it sounds like a damn good idea, personally. But you'd probably have to offer the companies some incentive, because training somebody takes time and effort. Interns ain't "free help".

K.

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

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Wow, subrob, resorting to calling him a moron, just because he's calling it as he sees it and you can't think of anything to come back with..... oh yea, that's right, your satisfaction is he's a moron.  That certainly solves a lot of problems!! [:'(]

Sorry Louve, Subrob is calling Owner a moron for good reason.  The banking meltdown was started by Carter, accelerated drastically by Clinton and was warned about by Bush in 17 speeches/press releases.  For Owner59 to ignore historical fact is moronic and unethical.

Talk about grasping at straws ? I sure would like to read some specifics about just what Carter and Clinton did. I am not holding my breath though.

Mr.Rodgers, I asked you a very simple question.  Should people who receive welfare, which is taxpayer funded, have to do something to earn it.  Yes or No?  Just answer the question and the public discourse can continue.

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway

Now...here is the unfortunate part of all of this.  This is what  you have to take from the microcosm of the discussion I had with Owner; the chasm that exists between conservatives and liberals can NEVER be broached.  That brings us inextricably back to class warfare, left vs. right, those who need to take vs those who work for what they have.  It brings us back to liberals being the ENEMIES of conservatives and vice versa.  No...this isn't my theory.  This is Karl Marx' theory. 

To my fellow conservatives...keep the faith.

To you liberal, commie, no good, lazy low life rat bastards.......and you know who you are......get a life!!  

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I have interned and I can tell you that much of the time interns are free help. Especially when you have salaried employees training them. I'm sure that when you have executives in training that is a completely different ballgame.

I'm not seeing what you're claiming here. In my experience, training someone to do a job is training someone to do a job. It doesn't matter whether they were hired for the job or whether you're training them to do it so they can move on.

Granted, there comes a time when they're getting pretty good and your task is mainly oversight. But that still requires time and, I might add, sharp attention. This is when many trainers become lax, turning out somebody whose skills are more half-baked than honed. But once they're handling the job without any further need for support or intervention, you're done. Either they take over, or they move along and you go back to doing the job yourself. There's no "free help" in that picture.

That said, yes, there has to be a job market. But, someone with some training and experience is still better off in whatever market there is than someone who has none. And yes, again, with regard to mothers with pre-school children who have no family available to help -- with no "but" on that one.

K.

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ORIGINAL: lockedaway


To my fellow conservatives...keep the faith.

To you liberal, commie, no good, lazy low life rat bastards.......and you know who you are......get a life!!  

I'm a liberal. I'm no commie. I also work 40 hours a week but get paid for only 37 1/2 (I tend to work through my lunch periods). Until 3 months ago I also held a weekend job, but it got too much and i ended up in the hospital with a mild heart attack. My house is mortgage-free, is yours?

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ORIGINAL: lickenforyou

I have interned and I can tell you that much of the time interns are free help. Especially when you have salaried employees training them. I'm sure that when you have executives in training that is a completely different ballgame.

I'm not seeing what you're claiming here. In my experience, training someone to do a job is training someone to do a job. It doesn't matter whether they were hired for the job or whether you're training them to do it so they can move on.

Granted, there comes a time when they're getting pretty good and your task is mainly oversight. But that still requires time and, I might add, sharp attention. This is when many trainers become lax, turning out somebody whose skills are more half-baked than honed. But once they're handling the job without any further need for support or intervention, you're done. Either they take over, or they move along and you go back to doing the job yourself. There's no "free help" in that picture.

That said, yes, there has to be a job market. But, someone with some training and experience is still better off in whatever market there is than someone who has none. And yes, again, with regard to mothers with pre-school children who have no family available to help -- with no "but" on that one.

K.

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ORIGINAL: lickenforyou

I will try to address this point one more time though - If work gets done faster, then (try to stay with me) less man hours are needed to do the job. Less man hours means... THAT SOMEONE ISN'T GETTING PAID!

When someone is being mentored in how to do a job correctly, I can tell you from direct experience that everything takes longer. And if they're not being specifically trained to take over that job, then once they can do it with reasonable skill and efficiency they move on to another learning task. That's how we trained new executive hires in our company. You had to know everything from the ground up before you got to plant your ass in the big chair.

Unpaid interns wouldn't necessarily be expected to learn as much as a new executive hire. But they would learn a lot of transferrable job skills, and be getting actual experience working and interacting in a business atmosphere. I think it sounds like a damn good idea, personally. But you'd probably have to offer the companies some incentive, because training somebody takes time and effort. Interns ain't "free help".

K.

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Wow, subrob, resorting to calling him a moron, just because he's calling it as he sees it and you can't think of anything to come back with..... oh yea, that's right, your satisfaction is he's a moron.  That certainly solves a lot of problems!! [:'(]

Sorry Louve, Subrob is calling Owner a moron for good reason.  The banking meltdown was started by Carter, accelerated drastically by Clinton and was warned about by Bush in 17 speeches/press releases.  For Owner59 to ignore historical fact is moronic and unethical.

Talk about grasping at straws ? I sure would like to read some specifics about just what Carter and Clinton did. I am not holding my breath though.

Mr.Rodgers, I asked you a very simple question.  Should people who receive welfare, which is taxpayer funded, have to do something to earn it.  Yes or No?  Just answer the question and the public discourse can continue.

lockedaway, I'll answer that question. In certain circumstances, YES. Right now, however, there are not enough jobs. Without the social safety net--which includes welfare as it is--people will be on the streets, starving, and dying of all kinds of diseases. It sounds like that is what you are advocating.

Welfare-to-work programs are great--when there is work to be had. Right now there are no jobs. NONE. Even public sector jobs are being cut. So what type of work would you have welfare recipients do to earn their benefits?

Not to mention the disabled who go on welfare while awaiting determination from social security. When I became disabled, i was a divorced mother of two children ages 7 and 4. I was on welfare for nearly 3 years before I finally got approval for SSI-not disability because I hadn't worked enough consecutive quarters to earn disability, so I had to go SSI which is basically a federal welfare program for the disabled who don't qualify for disability.

Under your theory that people should have to do something to earn their welfare checks my children would have most likely been placed in foster care because I would not have been able to hold down a job. I was barely to care for myself and the kids.

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Those leftists keep trying to trying to ban gay marriage and think homosexuality is sinful.

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) is the first GOP candidate to sign a controversial pledge to oppose same sex marriage and uphold "family values," circulated by the Iowa conservative group "THE FAMiLY LEADER."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com

Wait!

Is Michele Bachmann a leftist now?

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Good grief these lib#$% are amazingly ignorant. It's ok. You guys go on lying and pushing Americans apart. That's all you have. You have a media that will just print whatever you push out. Never any questions.
The solution is near = November 2012.
Thank you!

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Good grief these lib#$% are amazingly ignorant. It's ok. You guys go on lying and pushing Americans apart. That's all you have. You have a media that will just print whatever you push out. Never any questions.

The solution is near = November 2012.

Thank you!

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Keep telling that lie, maybe just maybe, someone other than a moron like yourself will believe it.

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tted simpleton accused me of being bitter. I am not. I enjoy a very nice lifestyle, I have a good business and, thank God, while I have not necessarily been blessed with good fortune, I have been blessed with an absence of bad fortune.