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SternSkipper -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/10/2011 8:14:50 PM)
quote: I happen to be very happy,well most of the time anyway Unless someone takes a shot at the YANKEES!!!![:D]

erieangel -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/10/2011 9:21:54 PM)
quote: OH...did anyone answer my questions how much should a person lose from a dollar? Well, since I make only $22,000 a year--I know to you I must be a loser--I don't pay any federal income taxes. Last year I got an entire dollar back from my state withholding; and paid $5.00 in county income taxes. I live in PA, so I pay 6% on everything I buy except food and clothing; I do pay that 6% if I happen to go out to eat, even to get a cup of coffee. And my house is paid for, but my city/county/school taxes combined run over a grand. I don't live the lavish lifestyle you have, locked. And I wouldn't want to. I'd rather be happy.

SternSkipper -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/10/2011 10:17:15 PM)
quote: And what of the 99ers? Those people unable to find jobs before their unemployment runs out? Where do you think they turn next? The go the county welfare office! Actually, that's not even true unfortunately. I know at least a dozen people, professionals with DECADES of experience in computer science that are OUT. Out because companies folks like myself would normally walk into and MASTER an interview and leave them asking "how much?". Cannot even get their resumes read. I am in business for myself because I heard that song and dance about "we're concentrating on college hires" or some shit like that. Course they spent all spring and summer so far coming out of the closet with their dirty little secret. The public is kind of dense though. And I've heard a lot of them parrot that it's okay for these corporations to enjoy bailout money, local and federal tax advantages and essentially just steal employes that are already employed as opposed to hiring some of the VERY qualified talent out there that will leap at a lousy offer. But I digress. Healthy people, who are deemed eligible to work and aren't claiming any mental health issue, are exempt from "transitional assistance" as it's called today. Yeah, in some states they end up getting some help to keep from suffering the final indignity of living on the street or in a shelter. And yeah, they'll get food stamps and in some states they're eligible for medical care, in some it's limited. Their children fortunately (at least in all the cases I know) have pretty much comprehensive health services. But they can't get welfare and I know of guys I've given interview clothes to because they're my size and they have just worn out what they have and with no income at all (what little the people I know going through this concentrate on their kids). But there really isn't much left for the 99ers and MOST of them have worked all or considerable portions of their lives without interruption. And I think it's RIDICULOUS we can't get these folks back to work. This is a failing of Everyone who has anything to do with employment. Both sides of the aisle, business, their fellow Americans in most cases. These are people who want their dignity, with very few exceptions. And one of the real tragedies of this is that a pretty skilled pool of workers is just going to waste. People who've payed taxes on 50 to 100k jobs all their lives shouldn't have to grovel. And frankly, if these people ever do get institutionalized as permanent poor, this country is looking at some big problems. Because by and large these people are very intelligent and know they've been fucked. And their numbers appear to still be growing. It will be interesting to see what happens on labor day in DC. I heard there'll be at least one march of the 99ers. They have a pretty decent sized petition that they'll deliver that day.

SternSkipper -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/10/2011 10:19:43 PM)
quote: Nah,most of that shit comes from bitter Red Sox fans...as a result I get a huge smile on my face and enter into what I call...the ecstasy zone(well,the sports version...there is another version that involves naked bodies and Cool Hand Luke level sweating...lol) Don't get too excited, most people simply describe what you experience as incontinence[:D]

erieangel -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/10/2011 11:18:33 PM)
SS, you're right, of course. A single person who has run out of unemployment and has not been able to find even a minimum wage job isn't going to be eligible for welfare. However, the multitudes of the chronically unemployed who have families will at least get cash assistance for the children, food stamps and medicaid. At least in PA they will. Yes, it is ridiculous. People who have worked hard all their lives shouldn't have to rely on welfare, handouts or anything else. And to make matters worst, the chronically unemployed are often susceptible to depression, which places a strain on an already overworked, under budgeted public mental health system. And many of these people wouldn't have mental health issues if they were treated with the dignity and respect each and every human being deserves. I read posts by people like locked and wonder what he would do if he ever faced a situation far outside his control in which he lost everything that gave his life meaning. He'd change his tone mighty fast, I'd bet and want everything to which he thought himself entitled because he'd paid taxes in the past.

SternSkipper -> RE: Why do Republicans hate America? (7/10/2011 11:47:01 PM)
quote: SS, you're right, of course. A single person who has run out of unemployment and has not been able to find even a minimum wage job isn't going to be eligible for welfare. However, the multitudes of the chronically unemployed who have families will at least get cash assistance for the children, food stamps and medicaid. At least in PA they will. I actually gave a friend a ride to Salem two years ago and he was told by several people in the lobby "You have to be willing to say you're suffering depression, or claim mental illness" he looked at me and said "Skipp, sorry to drag you out here, let's go. Desperate as I am to take care of my family, Some things are still beneath me". I rarely drink, I cracked open a bottle of Gosling's Black Seal and half killed it thinking about what this country has come to.

MrRodgers -> RE: O'dingdong admits welfare = dependency (7/11/2011 5:45:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers These are approximations made valid by the extremely high amounts and differences. Entire history of welfare begun under LBJ's Great Society. (believe it or not and not some capitalist propaganda, FDR NEVER sent a check to anyone who wasn't working) From 1965 to present (after slight reform during Nixon renaming it AFDC, and the Clinton reform) Approx. $500 billion. Paid to 4-5 million families in almost 50 years. Farm subsidies growing from a post WWII $5 billion to $15 billion under Bush I to $20 billion/yr. Bush II Approx. $1 trillion. This went to about 2-3 million now down to about 700,000 'qualifying' farms. Corporate welfare (those 'liberal' bastions at the Cato inst. $100 billion for the last 12 yers alone) $1.2 trillion. Total in 50 years...countless $Trillions !! Look at the average recipient and tell me just who are you describing really when you speak of welfare and just who is getting a govt. check for doing nothing ? Oh I am sorry, I could just spend all of my 'free speech' on investing in govt....one of the best 'free market' [sic] returns on investment there is today. Our corporate plutocratic courts has that as a const. protected redress of my grievances. Wher do you think by far most of the money invested in govt., is going ? Just what have we seen as its affect ? This was a good post on your part and you have made it clear that the debacle of sitting on your porch drinking Colt 45 and collecting a check was something that came from one of the most evil presidents in American history; LBJ. I'm not saying that other forms of welfare have to be changed, Mr. Rodgers. I have never supported too big to fail. Let the motherf****** fail and let some other Americans come in and run it right. Although, you seem to be disparaging of farm subsidies and I don't agree with you there. Farming is essential and extremely hard work. We have had wheat blowing in the street because farmers couldn't take their crops to market because of some political policy or another. So on that one small point, I disagree with you. If I am not to be concerned about ALL businesses and ALL of their problems then why such concern for the farmer most prodcution of which is from a huge agric-corp ? If one can make money in farming, hats off to them, if they cannot...get out of the business, just like everybody else. While and most don't believe in 'too big to fail' we still paid for and do have a unwritten welfare program for wall street, the biggest crap shooters of which will be back for another bailout. TARP of some $700 billion in one bill, is $200 billion more than for AFDC in its...entire history.

MrRodgers -> RE: O'dingdong admits welfare = dependency (7/11/2011 6:02:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers These are approximations made valid by the extremely high amounts and differences. Entire history of welfare begun under LBJ's Great Society. (believe it or not and not some capitalist propaganda, FDR NEVER sent a check to anyone who wasn't working) From 1965 to present (after slight reform during Nixon renaming it AFDC, and the Clinton reform) Approx. $500 billion. Paid to 4-5 million families in almost 50 years. Farm subsidies growing from a post WWII $5 billion to $15 billion under Bush I to $20 billion/yr. Bush II Approx. $1 trillion. This went to about 2-3 million now down to about 700,000 'qualifying' farms. Corporate welfare (those 'liberal' bastions at the Cato inst. $100 billion for the last 12 yers alone) $1.2 trillion. Total in 50 years...countless $Trillions !! Look at the average recipient and tell me just who are you describing really when you speak of welfare and just who is getting a govt. check for doing nothing ? Oh I am sorry, I could just spend all of my 'free speech' on investing in govt....one of the best 'free market' [sic] returns on investment there is today. Our corporate plutocratic courts has that as a const. protected redress of my grievances. Wher do you think by far most of the money invested in govt., is going ? Just what have we seen as its affect ? Yes, the dichotomy of that never fails to amaze me. The same fools that whine about handing a couple hundred bucks a month to some poor cripple and then giving him/her food stamps to boot while himself cheerfully accepting a couple hundred grand a year not to grow crops has never failed to amaze me. Goddamn...another stupid post. "cheerfully accepting a couple hundred grand a year not to grow crops has never failed to amaze me." Jesus...you certainly don't fail to amaze me either. If the farmer does not grow his crops, genius, what does he sell? Nothing!!!!!!! With what does he pay his mortgage? With NOTHING!!! With what does he maintain his tractors, combines, mowers, rakes, bush hogs, pasture dreams, irrigation system? WITH FUCKING NOTHING!!! That's right, pal, the GOVERNMENT (you know the thing that does all of your thinking for you) tells the guy not to grow because he won't be allowed to sell it for some reason or another. The government pays him to abstain from his normal business. Understand? Fuck...you guys have a lot of nerve criticizing me. You are basically correct but not only are I and the tax code not to be concerned about his mortgage, his combines and such, just as the tax code has no concern for my business requirements. Like I've said, if anyone can make money farming, great. If not, get out of the business. If a farmer doesn't farm his crops, then he is...out of business and has no right to my tax money because of it.

VideoAdminRho -> RE: O'dingdong admits welfare = dependency (7/12/2011 12:45:07 AM)
~FR Some may notice that this thread is now a good 3 pages shorter. Posts have been pulled for personal attacks, name calling, disrespecting others' kinks and attacking members not on the thread, as well as quoting or responding to any of the former. As we are all adults, attacking the post and not the poster should not be a difficult concept to grasp. Please continue with that rule firmly in mind.

BitaTruble -> RE: O'dingdong admits welfare = dependency (7/12/2011 1:12:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lockedaway The government pays him to abstain from his normal business. Understand? The reason for gov subsidies has long since passed though. Droughts and floods, other natural disasters are not going to effect the nation the way they once did when these subsidies were first started. More money goes to companies like Monsanto than to the small time veg/dairy farmers and cattle ranchers. It's time for this wasteful spending to stop and we need to get back to row farming, let the market determine the fair price and stop giving away millions to companys not to grow food. It's healthier for the economy and certainly healthier for our children who are the recipients of forced crops in things such as school lunches and cheap fast food rather than more expensive but healthier alternatives as can be garnered from row crops. Corn vs wheat as an example. It really is a no-brainer and considering the great lack of brains that is Congress, you'd think they would, at least, get this one right.

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