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RE: I am Soooooooo Pissed.... - 5/22/2006 11:31:06 AM

Dustyn

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Not so much involved, since the majority of my interst went into the big cats, primarily cougars, and wolves, but I greatly admire any and all of the animals that are natural predators. I mean, deer and caribou are majestic, but hunters have always held a special place in my life. Then again, I've helped raise a cougar from kit until I had her put down because she was going blind and have spent a few months on a wolf preserve. Totem animals and what not. ;)

Don't keep an actual profile here, so contacting people could be interesting. Besides, could be fun to talk about the whole thing out in the open. Most of what I know in depth about crocodilians deals with the genetic drift, and lack thereof, in most of the sub-species. Yeah, I know, strange things catch my eye and I just have to read up on them. *chuckling* And, there might be others here that would love to read more, as well. =)

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RE: I am Soooooooo Pissed.... - 5/22/2006 3:07:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: Dustyn

Not so much involved, since the majority of my interst went into the big cats, primarily cougars, and wolves, but I greatly admire any and all of the animals that are natural predators. I mean, deer and caribou are majestic, but hunters have always held a special place in my life. Then again, I've helped raise a cougar from kit until I had her put down because she was going blind and have spent a few months on a wolf preserve. Totem animals and what not. ;)

I'd say we have rather a lot more to chat about than I thought, then!

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Don't keep an actual profile here, so contacting people could be interesting. Besides, could be fun to talk about the whole thing out in the open.

There's stuff I'm not willing to post in an open Internet forum as it would compromise privacy. It's the really good stuff too. ;) Glad to share with individuals in private. I have the same handle at a popular email and chat service that starts with a Y.

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RE: I am Soooooooo Pissed.... - 5/31/2006 5:09:37 PM

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Well, if you studied evolution at all, alligators have always "predated" humans. Sometimes they prey upon us, though, and that needs to stop.

I like words and try to use them correctly whenever I can, so I was willing to be "skooled" on this one. Interestingly, I knew I had heard the usage of "predate" in the manner I had used it in this thread; but as no one is perfect I just assumed you were correct and I was simply mistaken. But no. This is from the Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd Ed.:

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predate, v2

(pri'deIt) [Back-formation f. predation.]
a
. intr. To seek prey. b. trans. Of a predator: to prey on, eat.

1974 Trout & Salmon Mar. 50/2 It is hoped that the stock of trout will predate sufficiently to minimise the problem [of coarse fish]. 1977 Field 13 Jan. 47/1 Man is a predator.+ To predate in person, instead of by proxy, is not unnatural. 1977 J. L. Harper Population Biol. of Plants vi. 172 Wood pigeons (Columba palumba) cease to predate when the density of a food falls to a level at which the birds can no longer search quickly enough to pick up a sufficient quantity. 1977 New Scientist 27 Oct. 220/3 The eggs of many species of frogs are predated by many species of vertebrates and invertebrates.

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RE: I am Soooooooo Pissed.... - 5/31/2006 5:56:29 PM

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I live in Florida, in a well-established city where 2 alligators recently were removed from neighborhood canals after an alligator last year ate a jogger's dog, and this year an alligator in the same city ate a jogger. The alligators are being transported for their own protection, as should they venture out of the canals in neighborhoods which they have not been known to frequent previously, and attack a human, the alligators are ordered to be killed.

Since 1948, there have been 18 alligator-related fatalities in Florida, and several of those have been in the past couple of years, including 3 in one week recently. For the protection of children and people in general, these alligators had to be moved. The warmer temperatures and the lack of available food has prompted alligators in this area to drift further from their normal territories, and then get trapped in small canals where often the only food is the neighborhood residents.

I am against hunting and harming animals in any way... but the alligators in question do need to be moved, and are moved by trained professionals. They are not harmed, but in order to control something so aggresisve with a jaw larger than we are, certain measures must be taken to ensure the safety of those moving it.

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RE: I am Soooooooo Pissed.... - 5/31/2006 6:39:33 PM

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Well, having just come across this thread today, that was a lot of reading!

Personally, I lean a little on the gator's side. We humans as a species are indeed highly over populated. There are simply too many of us, and the world's eco and bio systems will continue to unravel until it's obvious that there really IS a problem (of course by then it will be too late to do anything about it). We also have the tendancy to take whatever the hell we want to, and to hell with the animals already there. Especially if they happen to be large predators or venemous. Before anyone asks... yes, I'm living by my own statement. I have no children and do not intend to breed. If I decide to adopt a child later in life, then I'll be helping rather than harming.

As for *sigh* large predators not playing nice with people who encroach into their territory... Honestly, I feel that anyone who is stupid enough to go into known dangerous territory and THEN proceed to do really dumb things to attract a predator's attention deserves the end result. I'm sorry, but human stupidity is not the predator's fault. Unfortunately, one human's idiocy then results in an individual predator deciding that all humans are a food source. Then that animal is actually a real and undeniable danger. Sometimes relocation works, but that won't alter what the animal has learned. People taste like chicken.

It's a sad situation overall in my opinion. There are too many people, but there isn't anything that can be done about it. Few will exercise logic over the emotional desire to have offspring. And you can't go around shooting humans because they're overpopulated. And the predators haven't developed firearms for themselves yet. So they can't shoot us when we invade their territory.

It boils down to the fact that we as a species CAN take whatever we want and to hell with the consequences that won't happen for another 20/30/50 years (our kids or grandkids can suffer through those) -- and we DO.

Najakcharmer: I enjoyed your posts. I have a B.S. in Wildlife & Fisheries Sciences, myself. Got bit by a baby alligator in herp class and licked by a cougar during my internship at a wildlife rescue and rehab place. You seem like someone I could enjoy chatting with.

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RE: I am Soooooooo Pissed.... - 6/1/2006 1:58:39 AM

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The alligators are ingesting too much Ritalin from kids poorly treated piss in the waste water? It affects adult alligators oppositely?
Alligators are pissed they get no royalties from those pricey shirts?
They are harvesting for People Skin boots?
Those missing pets were shitting in their yards?
Floating logs, don't have eyes!
Can they be trained to eat more golfers?

Or just maybe.........The more people move into alligator land, the more they will meet alligators. Supposedly we are smarter than reptiles, so i would think we will learn to manage it better in a few decades.
The media makes it sound like the animals are going wild ( DUH! Morons unaware of oxymorons ) We are going into the wild more. And seeing what wild means.
The real question.......Are they in league with the bears? ( Heed Colberts warnings )

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