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RE: Child support - 5/21/2006 12:24:50 PM   
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I think the criminal aspect is just desserts.  Everyone is all too anxious to sue.  Get over it, already.  The guy got raw deal, it happens, you deal with it and move on.

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RE: Child support - 5/21/2006 12:34:33 PM   
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Isn't that "pollock"? I really think you do not understand that even a positive stereotype is still a stereotype. I would not hire an attorney based on his ethnicity... But on his rep and his record....

You know most people are bigoted in some way... most of us stereotype (even if only in our minds). Most of us have prejudice,. even if they are not ethnically based. I havent attacked like others on here for it because we are all ignorant about other groups of people and buy into stereotypes on some level.... You are just more blatant than others are....

And for those of you who think you are stereotype free.... well consider the comments about political affiliation or religion you make about people. Some stereotype Jehovah Witnesses, Catholics, Mormons to name a few (even me). Some are prejudiced about political affiliation(even me). I am honest enough to say it.

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RE: Child support - 5/21/2006 12:47:10 PM   
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It's one thing to POSSESS bigoted attitudes, quite another to ANNOUNCE them.  Some of us think before we speak.

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You know most people are bigoted in some way... most of us stereotype (even if only in our minds). Most of us have prejudice,. even if they are not ethnically based. I havent attacked like others on here for it because we are all ignorant about other groups of people and buy into stereotypes on some level.... You are just more blatant than others are....

And for those of you who think you are stereotype free.... well consider the comments about political affiliation or religion you make about people. Some stereotype Jehovah Witnesses, Catholics, Mormons to name a few (even me). Some are prejudiced about political affiliation(even me). I am honest enough to say it.

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RE: Child support - 5/21/2006 12:56:12 PM   
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Very true....

Last year a beloved Uncle and Aunt from my childhood came into my home and my uncle called arabs "sand nig***" and called the Vietnamese where he lived "Go***". I sat there and let my mouth hang open. I was utterly speechless. He did not even realize what he said was "wrong". He was a guest in my home. Anyone else I would have shown the door, but I just froze there.

I guess the reason I posted that response is because if there was anything I learned about cultural anthropology in college (my area of study and I have a BA in it so far) is that we are all prejudiced, and some  of the anthropologist I had to read in my undergraduate work were worse than my uncle...lol. It made me look really hard at myself, and i learned the horror, I was guilty too...

But you are right, I do not go around denigrating others vocally, it is more a mental exercise these days...lol (and never a racial one)

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RE: Child support - 5/21/2006 3:49:59 PM   
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Wow... I don't know which is worse....the people who have no clue that child support is separate from visitation and income, or the ones who don't know the difference between racism and cultural truisms....and who are thereby making sure that covert racism stays around in a patronizing manner.




Cultural truisms?  Who says?    I have a Polish, Irish, and German heritage.... so many (bigots) would say I am a  stupid, drunken  nazi.  I am none of these things, and most with these backgrounds are not either.  These are the ridiculous, stereotyped labels that are commonly given to describe huge groups of people by ignorant people using 'cultural truism' as their basis of reasoning.  

Non-payers of child support have the right to visit their children...  these non-payers may not care if they feed, clothe or house their children... but for the children's well-being, parents should be a part of their children's lives (except in dangerous circumstances).

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RE: Child support - 5/21/2006 4:49:54 PM   
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I don't think the OP's comment was racist.

A racist talks of universal qualities, as in all of one race posseses or lacks this quality and bars exceptions.

A stereotype says, it's more likely that this group will display this quality. 

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RE: Child support - 5/21/2006 5:11:51 PM   
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I do not think the "racism" label is defensible personally.  It is almost always used as a personal attack when one can not form a more cohesive argument.  LaM is not exactly My friend, so I do not exactly depend on his opinion, nor does he depend on Mine.

Like I said, I admire strengths of different groups of people.  It is also true that not all people in that culture possess those strengths.  It is further true that people in that culture could possess strengths in different areas.  However, My focus was the greater number of individuals in that group (and it was interesting about the comment about black people in sports.  Why would the poster post that if there was not a certain amount of truth to it?  I think they sank their own argument.  There is an actual reason why they are, by the way, and research on their behalf would bring it to light).

So, I am not saying that anyone is better than anyone else.  If I took a group of ten random people and analyzed their strengths, I would not say "you are better because you possess this strength".  I would  admire them for their strengths, but then take a look at the group as a whole and admire their diversity and strength as a unit.

The racist comment was utter crap, a personal attack born out of bitterness and indefensible.

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RE: Child support - 5/21/2006 5:15:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
It's one thing to POSSESS bigoted attitudes, quite another to ANNOUNCE them.  Some of us think before we speak.
 I knew that you thought/think speaking up of one's prejudices before analyzing them for reasonability is phucked up, and you were just yanking my chain on the other thread?   

To the OP, I don't have a good resolution for cases like this, because I feel each one is different, and merits viewing differently.  I know I collect minimal/inconcistent child support, from someone I'd rather have gone along with his child support; but I don't fight with him, nor do I prevent him from seeing the youngin when either of them expresses a desire to see the other (rare occasions fortunately), because I've no intention of causing my lil one to suffer because of mistakes I made.   M

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RE: Child support - 5/21/2006 5:57:59 PM   
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I think there's a big difference between what the OP has said on this thread (and Kenin too, for that matter) and what Riotgirl said on the other thread.  Riot wasn't attributing any characteristics to black men; she just said she's afraid of them.  In fact, she wasn't even talking about black men at all.  She was talking about herself.

People on THIS thread, by contrast, have been saying things like "Chinese people are better wholesalers than Jews" and "Jews are better lawyers than God knows what" (I didn't pay enough attention to remember exactly what he said).  What would you call that if not racism?  People are afraid of the word "racism" because it's just about the most serious charge you can make in our society--but when it fits, you have to use it.

On top of that, Riot admitted that her feelings are irrational and that she doesn't understand them.  These charming fellows are DEFENDING their racial stereotypes.

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I knew that you thought/think speaking up of one's prejudices before analyzing them for reasonability is phucked up, and you were just yanking my chain on the other thread?   


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RE: Child support - 5/21/2006 8:27:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

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Wow... I don't know which is worse....the people who have no clue that child support is separate from visitation and income, or the ones who don't know the difference between racism and cultural truisms....and who are thereby making sure that covert racism stays around in a patronizing manner.




Cultural truisms?  Who says?    I have a Polish, Irish, and German heritage.... so many (bigots) would say I am a  stupid, drunken  nazi.  I am none of these things, and most with these backgrounds are not either.  These are the ridiculous, stereotyped labels that are commonly given to describe huge groups of people by ignorant people using 'cultural truism' as their basis of reasoning.  

Non-payers of child support have the right to visit their children...  these non-payers may not care if they feed, clothe or house their children... but for the children's well-being, parents should be a part of their children's lives (except in dangerous circumstances).


I believe that the cultural truisms specifically referred to were about successful merchants and lawyers and jewellers...not drunks and nazis.
Time was when 'successful merchants' could have meant Quakers in North America.....or the only class of Chinese who were allowed to interact with the Europeans. 
Time was, when one group of US immigrants who sent many of their kids to law or medical school would have been those from central Europe, fleeing the pogroms against Jews...and at another time, it could have been Asian families. 
Time was, when one way to learn enough about jewels to become a sought after member of that profession, was to apprentice to a family member. 
Time was when one way to own a convenience store or gas station was to wait your turn in a kye

The notion that commenting on our differences in a positive manner should be frowned on, is an unhelpful one.



And on the child support issue, paying does not give the automatic right to visit...that it why it is called 'child support', and not a  'visitation fee'.


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RE: Child support - 5/21/2006 8:40:36 PM   
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The notion that commenting on our differences in a positive manner should be frowned on, is an unhelpful one.


I don't think anyone is frowning on positive comments.  We're frowning on the idea that you can characterize different ethnic groups using the crude stereotypes that have been bandied about in this thread.  But you seem to accept them; you just call them "cultural truisms" instead of "ethnic stereotypes."

Let's not pretend, by the way, that the OP has only "positive" things to say about Jews.  Here are some other things he has said:

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Normal people know that image is everything, there is no time for introspection and reflection. Do as the media tells you. Cheer for the home team. Sports fans, I'll tell you, it is NOT your team, some Jew owns the team and will move it as soon as it's a good idea financially. You give you loyalty to an entity that will not return it. The players are from wherever, they are not native to your town or anything.

(http://www.collarchat.com/m_231826/mpage_1/tm.htm#235777)


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We have been electing traitors since around the time of the Civil War. Lincoln was killed because he wanted to repatriate the Blacks to Africa. Kennedy was killed because he adamantly opposed Israel having nuclear weapons. Nixon was impeached because it became known that he hated Jews, or at least what they do.

(http://www.collarchat.com/m_356992/mpage_1/tm.htm#362441)


He seems to believe that Jews secretly run the world and oust leaders who don't cater to their wishes.  Ever heard that one before?  Oh, and here's some revisionist bullshit from last month; he was challenged on this point as soon as he made it, and failed to respond:

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The Balfour Declaration was done as a favor to European Jews who invented, and then broke a code for the English military during WW2. What a scam. Alot of people know they broke the code, but it is very little publicized that they invented it. Evidence exists, although I can't prove it conclusively right now, I might be able to soon.

(http://www.collarchat.com/m_333652/mpage_1/tm.htm#334764)


You call this bullshit "positive"?  I call it fucking offensive.

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RE: Child support - 5/21/2006 8:58:51 PM   
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I didn't see your theory about 9-11, so I don't know exactly what you said, but based on your summary here, it doesn't make sense.  Most of the 9-11 hijackers were educated in the West.  They were intelligent; they were highly educated; and they were Muslim fanatics.  Would you have considered the plot possible if the hijackers were French?  German?  Moussaoui is at least as much French as he is Arabic.  And Atta was better educated than a sizable chunk of the German population.
 
First of all, intelligence in the context of your above paragraph, does not constitute innovation or creativeness. Intelligence, alone, could not have brought down the towers. It took a mastery of many ingenous traits to accomplish this.  

I live in town with 4800 people and thirty-three churches. I would tell you that many of the people here are extremely religious. And while many of them have college degrees and run successful businesses, on any given day I could invoke a conversation with them where they tell me the planet earth on which we live, is only 6000 years old and there was never such a thing as dinosaurs. And they don’t believe C-14 carbon dating.  

So while they have the ability to sit in and listen to a lecture, and then take a test on that lecture and do fairly well on it, their creative ability to be resourceful, and think out-of-the-box, has been diminished/inhibited because they've been subjugated by a form of fanaticism.  

Now… while Moussaoui may have as much French in him as he does Arabic, it doesn’t change the fact that his ‘’mind’’ has still been overtly oppressed by a fanatical Muslim doctrine. If you've read any excerpts from  his proceedings, you would know he's both delusional and stupid.  

Same thing with most of the other hijackers. They may have been exposed {for a few years} to Western culture/thinking both here and Europe, but surely you or no one else would try and make the case that they were resourceful western thinkers in a traditional sense. Again… like Moussaoui, their ‘’minds’’ were ‘’boxed in’’ and subjugated by a fanatical and religious doctrine.  

Look at it this way…. If the Arabs in Saudi Arabia were so resourceful and creative { Its been oppressed} They wouldn’t need our concepts or engineers to pull their oil out of the ground.  

Same thing with their military. They have all the riches in the world and they’ve purchased our best jet fighters and military hardware. But they still can’t fly their birds effectively at night or learn to man their own missile systems without help from our engineers.


Look...Lets be honest with each other. With todays technology, if the Saudi's still had their fanatical religion, but didn't have the benifit of the wealth from the oil, there's a fairly good chance, that they as a people would have been  ''extinct'' by now.


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As for whether the comment about German and Italian lawyers is stupid or racist--it's both.



I can agree that it's both - But I still think it was spoken more out of ignorance.



quote:

  It's both because it's the statement of someone who is too stupid to understand what constitutes a race.  But it's motivated by the same prejudices that fuel racism: you can judge people by determining the ethnic or cultural group they belong to, and then matching those up with extremely crude stereotypes that are supposed to characterize the group as a whole.  Chinese people are better wholesalers than Jews?  What kind of logic do YOU find in that statement other than the perverse logic of racial bigotry?

Bigotry is hard to gloss over once it's been exposed, and I find it odious wherever it appears.  As you know, I've often defended people on CM who were rashly accused of racism, so I'm not quick to pull that trigger.  But if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and uses duck language to protest that it's really a goose, then it's a duck.


I'm in total agreeance. And yes the ''hallmark'' of an overwhelming majority of your posts, is that they are always fair and never one-sided.


 - R

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RE: Child support - 5/21/2006 9:00:58 PM   
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I knew that you thought/think speaking up of one's prejudices before analyzing them for reasonability is phucked up, and you were just yanking my chain on the other thread?    


I noticed the same thing. I've always admired Lordandmaster's contribution. His posts in this thread, took me very much off guard.

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RE: Child support - 5/21/2006 10:09:17 PM   
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Which posts here caught you off-guard?  BlkTallFullfig was talking about my comments on ANOTHER thread.

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig
I knew that you thought/think speaking up of one's prejudices before analyzing them for reasonability is phucked up, and you were just yanking my chain on the other thread?    


I noticed the same thing. I've always admired Lordandmaster's contribution. His posts in this thread, took me very much off guard.

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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 1:13:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig
I knew that you thought/think speaking up of one's prejudices before analyzing them for reasonability is phucked up, and you were just yanking my chain on the other thread?    


I noticed the same thing. I've always admired Lordandmaster's contribution. His posts in this thread, took me very much off guard.


The OP of this thread has started another thread on racism.  If you do not see ignorance and racism displayed in this thread, refer to the other... though it appears he is admitting he is a racist, rather than only trying to justify that his racist comments are reality. 
http://www.collarchat.com/Racism/m_384253/tm.htm



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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 6:47:24 AM   
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Which posts here caught you off-guard?  BlkTallFullfig was talking about my comments on ANOTHER thread.


I'm well aware of the thread she is speaking of, thank you. 

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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 7:50:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

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The notion that commenting on our differences in a positive manner should be frowned on, is an unhelpful one.


I don't think anyone is frowning on positive comments.  We're frowning on the idea that you can characterize different ethnic groups using the crude stereotypes that have been bandied about in this thread.  But you seem to accept them; you just call them "cultural truisms" instead of "ethnic stereotypes."

Let's not pretend, by the way, that the OP has only "positive" things to say about Jews.  Here are some other things he has said:

quote:

Normal people know that image is everything, there is no time for introspection and reflection. Do as the media tells you. Cheer for the home team. Sports fans, I'll tell you, it is NOT your team, some Jew owns the team and will move it as soon as it's a good idea financially. You give you loyalty to an entity that will not return it. The players are from wherever, they are not native to your town or anything.

(http://www.collarchat.com/m_231826/mpage_1/tm.htm#235777)


quote:

We have been electing traitors since around the time of the Civil War. Lincoln was killed because he wanted to repatriate the Blacks to Africa. Kennedy was killed because he adamantly opposed Israel having nuclear weapons. Nixon was impeached because it became known that he hated Jews, or at least what they do.

(http://www.collarchat.com/m_356992/mpage_1/tm.htm#362441)


He seems to believe that Jews secretly run the world and oust leaders who don't cater to their wishes.  Ever heard that one before?  Oh, and here's some revisionist bullshit from last month; he was challenged on this point as soon as he made it, and failed to respond:

quote:

The Balfour Declaration was done as a favor to European Jews who invented, and then broke a code for the English military during WW2. What a scam. Alot of people know they broke the code, but it is very little publicized that they invented it. Evidence exists, although I can't prove it conclusively right now, I might be able to soon.

(http://www.collarchat.com/m_333652/mpage_1/tm.htm#334764)


You call this bullshit "positive"?  I call it fucking offensive.




I trust that some of the people on this forum will be astute enough to read what I actually said, and to realize that my comments were specifically NOT in reference to the OP or to the above quotes which LaM has fraudulently claimed I approve of and  support....


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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 8:14:11 AM   
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 Jewish lawyers are incredibly effective and sharp as a tack.  They have a certain infamy about them.  



My step-father is a lawyer and is arguably the brightest and wittiest man I know.  He argued and won a case before the United States Supreme Court.  My sister actually studied him when she attended Law School.  Funny though, he is Catholic of Italian/Austrian descent.

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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 9:02:54 AM   
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I must say that I am flattered by all the attention.

I have created a monster. With one word I have set in motion a diatribe that is not likely to die off soon. An old saying comes to mind: "Me thinkst thou dost protest too much".

When I was young I was chided by a friend of the family for having long hair. He was bald. Get where I am going here ?

We are ALL racist, but we do not act upon it in today's society. How we "control" ourselves is up to each individual. As one grows up in this society one also sheds, or suppresses their old childish whims. A persons response (or reaction) to being called childish is directly proportional to their faith that they are indeed beyond those whims. If one has really given them up, they shrug it off, if they are jusr barely out of it they might take offense.

It was just one word. Might as well feed the monster now. What's done is done. Even if this thread were deleted, or even the whole forum, or even the whole internet simply disappeared tomorrow, the monster still lives.

Perhaps it is my nature to be controvesial, my local friends would probably agree with that. But then if we travel out of town, it is I who gets to find a decent pizza shop. In such a case I must apologize to all the German, Arab, Swiss, Dutch, Chinese and other pizza makers. Sorry folks, it is a tossup between Italians and Greeks who makes the best pizza.

If you don't want to be a racist, throw the pizza away and eat the box.

Go ahead and live in the box. We are all the same under the skin, except for differences in intellect (NOT level), affinity for certain foods, likes and dislikes and even suseptability to certain diseases. But all the same, the differences do not matter.

God, I am in awe of the damage caused by this stupidity. It is proven that people of different lineage need different diets to be healthy. The food pyramid might as well be the tower of Babel. If you feed a Haitian a McDonald's hamburger he will puke. That Indian stuff some people rave about and can't get enough of, you know the stuff you occasionally find a cockroach in, is not for me. I tried it, bugs and all. Too bland.

What has shaped my tastes ? More importantly, what has shaped theirs.

We are the most advanced and complicated species on this planet that we know of, and we are all the same under the skin. OK, I am going to open a pet shop. When a customer comes in looking for a labrador, I will sell him a poodle. If indeed we are all the same under the skin, they are too. After all they are a simpler form of life. They are all the same under the skin. After all if you walk into the vet's office with a lab or a poodle he will call it a dog right ? proof positive from an authority.

Labs have a problem with ear infections, but we can't pay special attention to that, don't we care if the poodle can hear just as much ? Paying special attention to it must be wrong. It is unfair somewhere.

If a doctor really wants to not be racist, he should not check a Black person's blood pressure, it is unfair to others, unless you apply exactly the same diligence to all.

Whether you are a 250 lb. construction worker or a 130 lb. accountant you need the same "perfect" diet because we are all the same under the skin. Of course the caloric intake must change, but the ratio between meat, veggie, carb should be exactly the same right ?

This is the kind of bullshit that gives the US the biggest medical bills in the world, but Japan is catching up. Why don't people understand ? I have my theories but if you want that mail me, I will NOT put it out in this forum, no way. I have learned my lesson.

A few years ago some researchers were almost censured because they put out reccomendations specifically for Black people to fight their higher tendency for high blood pressure and heart disease. Dammt, they were trying to HELP PEOPLE ! This is ridiculous.

I savor the differences in different types of people. They are interesting and stimulating. When the day comes that we really are all the same, please stop the planet and let me off.

Prejudice is knowledge. Racism is intrinsic. Bigotry is a bad result.

My (auto) mechanic is of German descent, and the politically correct crowd may want to point out the advantages of a Volvo to a Benz, but aren't they then saying I need a Swiss mechanic ?

Here's a nice statement from a racist, Black people can claim one thing for the most part that Whites cannot. They did not abandon their country to be here, they were kidnapped and sold into slavery. That in and of itself was bad enough, but remember Roots ?

People of European descesnt can, in many cases, trace their origins and savor the differences. Live their heritage if they choose. Black people have it alot harder. Having been ripped away from their life it is harder to trace whether they were South African, Nigerian or whatever. It is like putting all the Germans, Italians, French etc in one box "Euro-American". It doesn't fit. Understanding one's lineage is important to understanding one's self. The progeny of slaves are at a serious disadvantage here.

There has been talk of reparations for the Black people here. I am all for it, as long as the money comes from those who profited from this atrocity. Nobody in my family did it.

Understand this, I didn't do it, my people are not like that. I will not patronize Walmart because of their practices, supporting slave, or semi-slave labor. I will not buy a new TV, because it is built by the same type of labor force. While I have nothing against the people who actually work and build or sell these things, I do not want to support their masters, err employers. Their exploiters.

And, my friends, this system is coming to a town near you. Look at the American economy. The people who own the government tirelessly work very hard to impoverish the US. Why ? Look at the labor pool. The rich do what is needed to enlarge the gulf between the haves and the have nots.

Go ahead, push the lid up on your box and have a look. Don't be scared. Doesn't pay to be scared, because they will come and take you from your box eventually. Got that nice high tech job making about $60,000 ? Guess what, not for long. Let me clue you in, if you make $60,000 a year you are not a have, you are a have not. Best hope that you don't live so long as to be conscripted to make bombs for one tenth of that. That is where it is headed.

I'm not mentioning race, because it does not matter. I'm sure there are plenty of Polacks around who have sold out and rake the economy over the coals for their own gain. I have not.

I have a certain ethic as to how I make my money. As the haves use their money to survive without survival skills, they become weaker and weaker. Sooner or later the have nots will prevail, and all our little boxes will be open. Yes I have one too, I admit it.

In fact I saw a little light peeking into mine recently, when I realized that any racial reference is a slur to some people.

I never wanted to alienate anyone. Call me what you will. Just don't get out the sticks and stones, I didn't. I used one word. Just don't listen to me on the phone in an adversarial situation when I say "Look, I got a f_____ J_____ lawyer that'll tear you a new (_|_) hole !". Believe me, I won't mention it here again. Some simply can't handle it, as if there is something to handle.

Now I gotta go check on my other monster. Thanks for all the advice, and believe it or not, thanks for the criticism as well. I will set my word processor to eliminate about 400 words and replace them with biomass.

T

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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 9:43:23 AM   
Bearlee


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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

or the ones who don't know the difference between racism and cultural truisms....



A rose by any other name.................still stinks

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