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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 9:58:27 AM   
Alumbrado


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Pointing out that some cultures may have a tendency to do some things differently than other cultures is not racism, when it lacks a  perjorative context...
The patronizing attitude that mentioning any differences equates to racism however, does stink of racism, precisely because it is based on the assumption that different must mean inferior...
an assumption that I do not share. 


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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 10:03:48 AM   
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Hey, back off and read more carefully.  I didn't say that you approve or support those quotes.  I don't believe you even KNEW of those quotes--that's exactly why I posted them.  Their purpose was to show that the OP doesn't have only "positive" things to say about Jews.  The OP makes bigoted comments about Jews all the time, and it's reached the point that I wonder why Collarme has to be his personal anti-Semitism forum.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

I trust that some of the people on this forum will be astute enough to read what I actually said, and to realize that my comments were specifically NOT in reference to the OP or to the above quotes which LaM has fraudulently claimed I approve of and  support....

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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 10:06:08 AM   
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You still didn't say which posts caught you off-guard.  I guess you're not going to.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
Which posts here caught you off-guard?  BlkTallFullfig was talking about my comments on ANOTHER thread.


I'm well aware of the thread she is speaking of, thank you. 

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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 2:40:54 PM   
Alumbrado


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Hey, back off and read more carefully.  I didn't say that you approve or support those quotes.  I don't believe you even KNEW of those quotes--that's exactly why I posted them.  Their purpose was to show that the OP doesn't have only "positive" things to say about Jews.  The OP makes bigoted comments about Jews all the time, and it's reached the point that I wonder why Collarme has to be his personal anti-Semitism forum.


You said that I called those racist statements positive, even going so far as to put quotation marks around the word, thereby giving the impression that it was a quote of something I had said relevant to those statements from  the OP.

It was not, and I am well within my rights to make the clarification.

In fact I was not defending the OP.  I was addressing Utopian Ranger's statement that:
"I’m absolutely positive you could present a very sound argument that the Jewish people on a whole are very resourceful strategists/ thinkers, without having racism called into question ",
and expanding it to include other examples of groups of people earning a reputation for being good at something honorable....such as Quakers, etc.

Perhaps you should take your disagreement with Utopian Ranger up with him directly, instead of trying to turn my response to him into something else entirely.

There was nothing in my observation (that once upon a time certain truisms were in fact an integral part of certain cultures, and that appreciating various cultural differences enough to learn the real reasons behind such stereotypes was in fact antithetical to racism) which rationally or factually allowed for such a construct on your part.



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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 3:15:52 PM   
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(and it was interesting about the comment about black people in sports.  Why would the poster post that if there was not a certain amount of truth to it?  I think they sank their own argument.).

 
Ewwwwwwwww… I just get the heebie-jeebies at this kind of thinking!  I was the one who mentioned it and it was an example of ‘positive’ racism…a 'cultural truism' Alumbrado called it.  It still racism... and, like I said…it stinks!!!


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

You call this bullshit "positive"?  I call it fucking offensive.
 

I couldn’t agree more, Sir!  <shakes head>

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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 3:20:48 PM   
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To the Op: first of all, every state i know of (and certainly Ohio) uses a statutory formula to fix child support.  If this man is losing 99% of his pay to child support, s'thing went FUBAR and he needs to return to court.
 
Second of all; the "Jewish lawyer" comment is what is known as a left-handed compliment; insinuating that Jews are s'how better suited to the "dirty lawyer tricks" that have endeared the whole profession to the public.
 
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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 4:16:58 PM   
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Candy;

Dirty lawyer tricks was what was used on him in the first place, it would be nice to respond in kind.

I would've contacted you and sought your advice but I was asked not to, and you have me on autorespond for collarmail. I respect that.

Dirty lawyer tricks are what the entire justice system is about now, ask anyone who has experienced it. As much as I have no love for the guy, why were they deciding whether Ahmad Chalabi could testify at his own trial ? (but then I read some of his submittals, wantem ? he was wild)

Things are upside down at best. In this day and age you are better off being guilty.

Thing is, what I think is that we should call ______stien and get the civil suit started before the criminal. That way when the company goes out of business he has his foot in the door before the liquidation starts.

After our conversation I think you are a cool chick with alot of smarts. You cut it off because, I believe, out interests do not match. On this date I agree, but you did not have to put me on autorespond. I will not stalk you. I want to be wanted, not allowed.

Perhaps I had an alterior motive to use that word, to get people to talk about it. People are way too thin skinned, and really, if I say anything about the Jews, I hope a Jew will respond. So far I dunno.

I really have no problem with anyone, but some people have a problem understanding that.

I think the child support case is going to be alot bigger than it seems. Want a piece of it ? You have my contact info. I wanna take these MFs who steal from my friend's children's mouths and skin them alive.

Perhaps we can find something in old Celtic Law or something :-) but then I suspect the only place will be the code of Hamurabi.

Can you imagine if old law like that was applied to today's society ? That would be a trip.

Realistically, if you want a piece of this case, I give it a day. Take me off autorespond and CM mail me. I think you even have my real email. I intend to make the call tomorrow, after conferring with the principals.

It is going to happen with or without you, want in, fine. Don't want in fine. Remember this is a temporary service that has a high turnover, they probably thought it would be a long time before they got caught. It was, my buddy works with a guy who this has been happening to for a year.

Racist ? this guy is Black, and I have no problem with that, but I have been in jail and talked to alot of people. It seems alot of Black people do not know their legal rights. They allow an injustice to continue.

Was that racist ? Come on, they get screwed over. I tried to help even in jail ! Blacks told me that there was no trial. I asked them if they plead guilty or no contest, they said they never plead. What ?

Of course some of them never mentioned that they were there for a probation or restraining order violation, but they really do not understand the process. I am starting to think that there are alot of innocent people in jail, and I am in no way claiming that I am innocent. They are though.

The "justice" in this country used to be "better to let ten felons loose than to incarcerate one innocent". Seems upside down now doesn't it ? Like the flipside.

Candy, you don't know me and you made it clear you don't want to get to know me, at least in"that" way. I say this, I am a successful sociopath. When I recieved the last piece of information, that another had this going on for a year, I seriously considered blackmailing them. Get some money upfront, then turn them in anyway. Dirty MFs taking, not candy, but FOOD out of babies' mouths. That's about as lowlife as it gets.

I will not sit idly by.

T

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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 5:09:16 PM   
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In my state child support is a set formula that takes the parents' income into consideration.  Also child support can be visited for modification at any time, with a slight fee to the petitioner (did I get that legal lingo correct?).

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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 5:13:01 PM   
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I dunno if there my children or not...but hell, I'll give em lunch money.
Now get your ass out of bed and grab my wallet...

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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 7:13:40 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Believe me, I don't need your advice about how to take things up with Utopian Ranger.  I've known him since long before you joined the site.  Calm down, count to 10, and if you still have any remaining hostility, take your "cultural truisms" and find someone else to joust with.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

Perhaps you should take your disagreement with Utopian Ranger up with him directly, instead of trying to turn my response to him into something else entirely.

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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 7:26:23 PM   
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quote:

To the Op: first of all, every state i know of (and certainly Ohio) uses a statutory formula to fix child support.  If this man is losing 99% of his pay to child support, s'thing went FUBAR and he needs to return to court.


There is no way anyone is paying 99% of their pay to child support.  The maximum allowed by law - and this is pretty much uniform to all states - is 65% of disposable income (defined as gross less taxes), and that's only if the payor is unmarried, supports no other family, and is at least 12 weeks in arrears.  Otherwise, the maximum is only 50% of disposable.

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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 10:16:57 PM   
Alumbrado


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Believe me, I don't need your advice about how to take things up with Utopian Ranger.  I've known him since long before you joined the site.  Calm down, count to 10, and if you still have any remaining hostility, take your "cultural truisms" and find someone else to joust with.



Nothing to joust over..
I've amply demonstrated that your actions were neither honest, or a mistake, and you are now trying to divert attention elsewhere.


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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 10:24:09 PM   
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OK, NOW you've pissed me off.  As I said three times, I never pretended, stated, or implied that you support the quotes from the OP that I listed.  The OP.  Are you the OP?  No, you're not the OP.  Therefore the quotes were not yours.  What part of this have you failed to understand?

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

I've amply demonstrated that your actions were neither honest, or a mistake, and you are now trying to divert attention elsewhere.

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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 10:26:58 PM   
Alumbrado


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ORIGINAL: Bearlee

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

(and it was interesting about the comment about black people in sports.  Why would the poster post that if there was not a certain amount of truth to it?  I think they sank their own argument.).


Ewwwwwwwww… I just get the heebie-jeebies at this kind of thinking!  I was the one who mentioned it and it was an example of ‘positive’ racism…a 'cultural truism' Alumbrado called it.  It still racism... and, like I said…it stinks!!!


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

You call this bullshit "positive"?  I call it fucking offensive.
 

I couldn’t agree more, Sir!  <shakes head>


Anyone who cares to scroll up, can see that I never said that black people in sports was a cultural truism, and I never said that I found the racist quotes to be positive. You are simply making that up.

What I said was that there were positive attributes to be found in some of the truisms associated with various groups...an attitude which you apparently find worth attacking dishonestly.






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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 10:30:24 PM   
Alumbrado


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

OK, NOW you've pissed me off.  As I said three times, I never pretended, stated, or implied that you support the quotes from the OP that I listed.  The OP.  Are you the OP?  No, you're not the OP.  Therefore the quotes were not yours.  What part of this have you failed to understand?


The part where you put quotation marks around the word positive, and claimed that I said that I found the racist statements from the OP to be positive.Deny it all you like, it is still what you did.

And I am no more impressed by your new claim to be aggrieved than I was with your initial fraud.

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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 10:37:55 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Please show me where I claimed that you said you found the racist statements from the OP to be positive.

The only thing I can find that comes anywhere near what you're asserting is this:

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You call this bullshit "positive"?


Do you see that funny hook-like symbol at the end of that line?  It's called a QUESTION MARK.  QUESTION MARKS do not follow claims; they follow questions.

So, please, show me where I claimed that you said the OP's racist remarks were positive.

And be careful, because slander, even on the internet, can have legal repercussions.

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

The part where you put quotation marks around the word positive, and claimed that I said that I found the racist statements from the OP to be positive.Deny it all you like, it is still what you did.


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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 10:40:23 PM   
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quote:



Nothing to joust over..
I've amply demonstrated that your actions were neither honest, or a mistake, and you are now trying to divert attention elsewhere.




Don't know ya brother.... but I can promise you that if Lam had a problem with me, he'd let me know about it personally. We have mutual friends and a direct window of communication between us.

As far as the whole racism thing goes.... some are overly sensitive/ thin-skinned; some are not sensitive enough. You stood up and spoke your piece - I say be satisfied with it or move on.

In the time I've been here, I have seen some folks who most definitely qualify as racists. And many of those times, Lam has taken them to task or spoke-up with regard to why he did not think it was racism - So he's always been fair in my book.




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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 10:49:29 PM   
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There is a place called Father's Rights. It is usually listed under the same category as attornies in your phone book. If it is not listed as Father's Rights look at the attornies who are under domestic or family law, they will advertise that they are for father's rights. They are the people for your friend to talk to. They helped my brother a lot in his fight over seeing children and what he was entitled to.

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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 10:57:58 PM   
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I don't care who mentioned it, but I do not do the color thing.

Race to me is something entirely different.

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RE: Child support - 5/22/2006 11:23:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Believe me, I don't need your advice about how to take things up with Utopian Ranger.  I've known him since long before you joined the site.  Calm down, count to 10, and if you still have any remaining hostility, take your "cultural truisms" and find someone else to joust with.



Nothing to joust over..
I've amply demonstrated that your actions were neither honest, or a mistake, and you are now trying to divert attention elsewhere.


Just because Lam was the poster who exposed the racism in Your beliefs is no reason to pout.
 
candystripper


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