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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 9:30:51 PM   
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Sorry....that does not fly with me. They call me, they are going to get abused. I have taken every step that I can to stop the calls short of shooting them. Your action steps do not work on the companies that do not have to abide by the DNC laws.

Political organizations, charities, and telephone surveyors are still permitted, and calls from companies with which you have an existing business relationship are allowed to call you. There is no way for you to prevent them from calling. They are immune to the DNC laws by law. In particular the newspaper company constantly calling wanting me to go from the Sunday paper to getting it 7 days a week. The high school I attended asking for donations. The college I attended asking for donations. They keep calling along with the politicans (elections are coming up again). Anytime you fill out a request for information (IE vacation information) opens the door legally for companies to call you.

So if they call me, especially while sleeping, they are going to get the severe abuse line.

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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 9:31:51 PM   
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I pay for my land line telephone service so I consider it there for MY convenience. Ditto my cell phone service (I have minimal-cost plans for both because it's actually the least expensive way for me to have adequate phone access.) I'm on every do not call list known to man, and they still call, as do all the 'exempt' folks like political campaigners and 'fundraisers' for the police and fire departments. Caller ID screens some and others appear as 'blocked' numbers which helps me avoid them...but Caller ID costs ME extra, not them. When telemarketers start paying for my phone service, they can go ahead and call. It is NOT COOL to invade the privacy of my home to advertise on MY dime.

I've had the same number for 22 years. For 22 years I've been getting threatening phone calls from creditors looking for someone in my town with the same last name and first initial. She was totally easy to find both online and in the phone book. If it's so easy for me to find out her number and street address (and btw, she's the only Abc Wxyz listed), why the foogly can't these companies track her down? When I asked them this, they told me they just go down a list of everybody with the same initials and name in this town until they hit the right person. How lame and time-consuming is that when you can just use google like I did?

And...don't even get me started on advertising texts. I pay by the minute for cell phone service, and can't see who texted until it downloads the message and eaten the equivalent time unit never to be gotten back. To text back to get them to take me off their 'list' costs me again, so I don't bother.

Ya know, there was something to using smoke signals. And it was a fook of a lot quieter.

Do I need to be rude or polite to telemarketers? I don't need to be anything to telemarketers. I didn't ask them to call, so I just hang up. Time is money to them, and bullshitters on the 'invaded' end of the line aren't going to make them any money so I'm actually doing them a favor.


Hi MistressDarkArt..

well, here's the bad news on that.  Charities, debt collectors and political polls are exempt from the DNC regulations. 

Personally, I find debt collectors to be the worst of the bunch.  When my roommate defaulted on her college loans, the calls were incessant, and they began to hassle me and the others in the house (it was a long,long time ago--no cells--one landline for the entire flat) and they would get very personal and nasty.

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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 9:33:26 PM   
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another thing to do and hopefully on a regular phone and not a cell is to tapp it very loudly on a table top and then say hello and keep doing that over and over and then hang up about 15 seconds later but you want to make sure the tapping sound is loud enough so they get the message

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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 9:36:29 PM   
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Sorry....that does not fly with me. They call me, they are going to get abused. I have taken every step that I can to stop the calls short of shooting them. Your action steps do not work on the companies that do not have to abide by the DNC laws.

Political organizations, charities, and telephone surveyors are still permitted, and calls from companies with which you have an existing business relationship are allowed to call you. There is no way for you to prevent them from calling. They are immune to the DNC laws by law. In particular the newspaper company constantly calling wanting me to go from the Sunday paper to getting it 7 days a week. The high school I attended asking for donations. The college I attended asking for donations. They keep calling along with the politicans (elections are coming up again). Anytime you fill out a request for information (IE vacation information) opens the door legally for companies to call you.

So if they call me, especially while sleeping, they are going to get the severe abuse line.


well, that's true, Mummyman--those types of places are exempt.  When I do shift-work and need to sleep during the day, I do turn off the ringer on my landline.  I've been fortunate to not have issues with my cell.

But again, it's the company not the employee.  Take the complaint to the source--the corporate office.  It was how I finally stopped the local newspaper from calling me twice a day.  I called their head office and spoke to the head of their sales and marketing.

I told them that I actually do enjoy a nice sunday paper, but was so turned off by their marketing techniques that I was intentionally NOT subscribing.  It was a rational and civil discussion, and I explained how it was disruptive and unwanted.  The calls stopped within the week.

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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 9:37:21 PM   
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This whole idea of being rude because you were woke up.....eerrmm....maybe it's just me but when I'm trying to sleep, I turn off my phone's ringer. Even when I had a phone line I did that. If it was important they left a message.

I haven't had a landline though in over 15 years now so no telemarketers and with my cell phone I rarely get them. If I do and I don't recognize the number I simply don't answer the phone. I only answer the phone when it's a number I recognize.

Everything else goes to voicemail and then I just delete the voicemail...again, easy.



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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 9:37:22 PM   
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The high school I attended asking for donations. The college I attended asking for donations. They keep calling along with the politicans (elections are coming up


mummyman just tell them when they win the national championship you will call them

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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 9:38:39 PM   
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I am not sure how not wanting to be wokening up by a pestering telemarketer while your sleeping after working 16 hours translates to moral cowardice?
Using that as a reason to abuse the caller is the moral cowardice. It isn't being an asshole, it's when you try justify it, that's where the moral cowardice comes in.

How on earth is the guy calling supposed to know you are sleeping? Take responsibility for your own life, turn off your damned phone when you sleep. If you won't do that, then just be honest about it, there is no legitimate reason to do it, you're just being a jerk, you're being an asshole because you want to and you can do so without repercussions.

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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 9:45:59 PM   
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I am not sure how not wanting to be wokening up by a pestering telemarketer while your sleeping after working 16 hours translates to moral cowardice?
Using that as a reason to abuse the caller is the moral cowardice. It isn't being an asshole, it's when you try justify it, that's where the moral cowardice comes in.

How on earth is the guy calling supposed to know you are sleeping? Take responsibility for your own life, turn off your damned phone when you sleep. If you won't do that, then just be honest about it, there is no legitimate reason to do it, you're just being a jerk, you're being an asshole because you want to and you can do so without repercussions.




What if someone's on-call for their job and CAN'T turn off the ringer?

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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 9:51:20 PM   
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Personally, I most often just hang up.  It's by far the easiest way to handle telemarketing calls. 

One of my step-brothers used to counter-engage persistent telemarketers by pulling a Jehovah's Witness routine and try to witness to them.  He had a sick sense of humor. 

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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 10:02:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

quote:

I am not sure how not wanting to be wokening up by a pestering telemarketer while your sleeping after working 16 hours translates to moral cowardice?
Using that as a reason to abuse the caller is the moral cowardice. It isn't being an asshole, it's when you try justify it, that's where the moral cowardice comes in.

How on earth is the guy calling supposed to know you are sleeping? Take responsibility for your own life, turn off your damned phone when you sleep. If you won't do that, then just be honest about it, there is no legitimate reason to do it, you're just being a jerk, you're being an asshole because you want to and you can do so without repercussions.



Heather,
I am not going to turn off my phone to go to sleep at night. I have family members that I do care about deeply. My father is in his 80's and he will always be able to get a hold of me no matter where I am. His doctors also have my number so that they can get a hold of me if needed. It is very disturbing to get a call at 3am in China (when its 3pm in Ohio) from the newspaper company wanting you to switch to a 7day a week subscription after you have told then no and to be removed from thier call list at least 70 times.

You talk about moral cowardice. Here is the real info. Telemarketers have no morals. They simply do not care if they wake you up. They want your money, opinion, or support and they do not care how they get it. You lens is pointing the wrong direction if your are looking for moral cowardice

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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 10:06:06 PM   
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I guess that means I have no morals then since like I said, I used to be a telemarketer. Yup...no morals because I needed a job to help pay our bills because we were literally hunting for change in between seat cushions and carseats to have enough gas to put in our car to get him to the military base everyday and make money to feed our newborn.

Ya know telemarketers are doing a job. They are given a computer with phone numbers. They many times get paid for how many numbers a day they get through therefore they are going to call you back to eventually get through their quota for the day and most telemarketers are paid minimum wage if they aren't paid by commission.

And this idea of waking you up...if you don't recognize the number..if it's not your family, if it's not your work, ignore the call and go back to sleep. If you can, program your phone to only ring for certain numbers. No one is forcing you to pick up the phone.



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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 10:07:30 PM   
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People who do this sort of thing are selfish and ignorant.


Telemarketers who call knowing it's suppertime get what they deserve.


They call during the hours they are scheduled. It sucks, I know, I did it.


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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 10:10:38 PM   
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How on earth is the guy calling supposed to know you are sleeping? Take responsibility for your own life, turn off your damned phone when you sleep.


A lot of people don't have this as a viable option.  I have an elderly mother who lives alone and I'm her first point of contact.  I've slept with my phone next to my bed, turned on, ever since my Dad was dying of cancer.

Then again, I'm only an awakened asshole to friends who know better.  To telemarketers who call during sleeping hours, I tell them they fucking woke me up, and I hang up on them.  Maybe that's being an asshole, too, but I'm ok with that. Calls during sleeping hours panic me. 




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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 10:18:50 PM   
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holy fucking whore of babylon man, really? you're really fucking reaching here.

you're just being fucking stupid now. how in the fuck are they supposed to know your phone is forwarded to you in china. they are calling you at 3 pm, it's not their fault you're to fucking dimwitted to just give your father and his doctors your cell number. besides, what the fuck are you going to be able to do from china? if the old man cacks he's going to be just as dead in the morning. get fucking real.

i didn't really agree with heather, but i think i do now, that is just the stupidest justification i have ever heard. no morals. fuck that, the guy is trying to pay his bills just like you, he's calling you at a reasonable hour, it's not his fault you have your fucked up setup, you chose to do it that way, so don't bitch about it.



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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 10:20:14 PM   
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I guess that means I have no morals then since like I said, I used to be a telemarketer. Yup...no morals because I needed a job to help pay our bills because we were literally hunting for change in between seat cushions and carseats to have enough gas to put in our car to get him to the military base everyday and make money to feed our newborn.

Ya know telemarketers are doing a job. They are given a computer with phone numbers. They many times get paid for how many numbers a day they get through therefore they are going to call you back to eventually get through their quota for the day and most telemarketers are paid minimum wage if they aren't paid by commission.

And this idea of waking you up...if you don't recognize the number..if it's not your family, if it's not your work, ignore the call and go back to sleep. If you can, program your phone to only ring for certain numbers. No one is forcing you to pick up the phone.




This. And I don't know about other states but since I signed up for the DNC list, I rarely get any calls and when I do, I ask for a supervisor and politely ask them  to remove me from their list. If they continue to call, then I get a bit more aggressive. Again, it is not the fault of a paid employee doing their job.


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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 10:26:37 PM   
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What if someone's on-call for their job and CAN'T turn off the ringer?
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I am on call 24/7....and the on-call numbers go to my cells or pagers...not my landline.

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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 10:29:34 PM   
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To telemarketers who call during sleeping hours, I tell them they fucking woke me up, and I hang up on them.  Maybe that's being an asshole, too
I don't think it is, as long as you don't chew the guy out. You're being reasonable, you sleep at abnormal times but you don't require that the world conform to your schedule. I never said you had to talk to them, just hanging up is perfectly fine.

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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 10:30:42 PM   
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I'm in the on-call rotation. A SMS message is sent to my Droid, and SMS Popup sees it, and plays the flood siren at full volume. Yes, it does wake me up...

http://www.archive.org/details/CanveyIslandSirenTest

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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 10:33:06 PM   
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What if someone's on-call for their job and CAN'T turn off the ringer?
Well, if you sleep during odd hours are you really being reasonable asking the whole world to adapt to your schedule? We sleep during the mornings around here, we just turn of our phones, and if we forget to we don't rag on people who call us, it's not normal to be asleep at 10 AM, so we accept that the rest of the world is awake and doing business. Common sense.

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RE: Best Way to Mess with Telemarketers - 8/23/2011 10:40:22 PM   
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I'm in the on-call rotation. A SMS message is sent to my Droid, and SMS Popup sees it, and plays the flood siren at full volume. Yes, it does wake me up...

http://www.archive.org/details/CanveyIslandSirenTest

I used to have 2 phones, one was used for important stuff like work, the other was for everything else. That would solve that problem. My second phone was a cheapie one and pay as you go so it cost me hardly anything but it was very convenient to do it that way.

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