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CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/3/2011 10:25:13 PM   
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Not that this should come as any suporise but it turns out both the CIA and MI6 were busy sleeping with the enemy regarding the Libyan government -

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A cache of papers found at the intelligence headquarters dating from the time it was run by Moussa Koussa, who later became foreign minister and defected in March, showed Libya was handed Islamist opposition members as part of the CIA's "extraordinary rendition" programme.

MI6 also provided extensive information to the Libyan authorities of opponents living in Britain.

The British intelligence services seem to have been more circumspect than their American colleagues, however. Often the files, which were found by Human Rights Watch and shown to The Sunday Telegraph, suggest they restricted themselves to confirming information already known to the Libyans.

It also shows one reason for the co-operation - MI6's belief that Libyan Islamists were playing a central role in funding and supporting al-Qaeda, often via contacts in Iran.


Libya: secret dossier reveals Gaddafi's UK spy links

A large cache of correspondence was found in Tripoli and included -


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The group said it uncovered hundreds of letters between the CIA, MI6 and Koussa, who is now in exile in London. Letters from the CIA began, "Dear Moussa," and were signed informally with first names only by CIA officials, Human Rights Watch said.

The current military commander for Tripoli of Libya's provisional government, Abdel Hakim Belhadj, was among those captured and sent to Libya by the CIA, Human Rights Watch said.
"Among the files we discovered at Moussa Koussa's office is a fax from the CIA dated 2004 in which the CIA informs the Libyan government that they are in a position to capture and render Belhadj," Human Rights Watch's Peter Bouckaert, who was part of the group that found the stash, told Reuters.

"That operation actually took place. He was captured by the CIA in Asia and put on a secret flight back to Libya where he was interrogated and tortured by the Libyan security services."


http://http://news.yahoo.com/documents-show-links-between-cia-libya-spy-unit-134744759.html


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This apparently extended to invitations to see the SAS in action and even to attend special defense and security industry events.

So the CIA and MI6 were torturing the Libyan opposition on KDaffy's behalf, on the grounds they were Al Qaeda members or supported by and operating on behalf the Persians?

Stay tuned.
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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/3/2011 10:40:25 PM   
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Right.  Kuhdaffy decided he wanted to be a "partner" in the war on terror.  What did you think that meant?  Tolerance nights at the mosque?

Funny how this "comes to light" immediately in the wake of the revelation that a rebel military commander had been caught and sent to a Libyan prison by the CIA, after he'd been snuggling with the Taliban in Afghanistan.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/3/2011 10:51:20 PM   
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Right.  Kuhdaffy decided he wanted to be a "partner" in the war on terror.  What did you think that meant?  Tolerance nights at the mosque?

Funny how this "comes to light" immediately in the wake of the revelation that a rebel military commander had been caught and sent to a Libyan prison by the CIA, after he'd been snuggling with the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Bush had the Taliban to the white house and I've read since...to his ranch.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/3/2011 10:51:56 PM   
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The first international arrest warrant for Bin Ladin, which the British quashed, was from Libya -


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British intelligence paid large sums of money to an al-Qaeda cell in Libya in a doomed attempt to assassinate Colonel Gadaffi in 1996 and thwarted early attempts to bring Osama bin Laden to justice.The latest claims of MI6 involvement with Libya's fearsome Islamic Fighting Group, which is connected to one of bin Laden's trusted lieutenants, will be embarrassing to the Government, which described similar claims by renegade MI5 officer David Shayler as 'pure fantasy.'


MI6 'halted bid to arrest bin Laden'

And KDaffy has been blaming the Al-Qaeda and the CIA/MI6 combine for his troubles for a while -

Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi has told state TV that Osama Bin Laden and his followers are to blame for the protests racking his country.

Anyway, the CIA and MI6's dealings with the AQ or what became the AQ have been documented going back decades.

More of the House of Saud's fine handiwork.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/3/2011 10:55:05 PM   
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Last time I checked the paperwork, there was this thing called Due Process which the US Government had to legally provide.

Picking someone up and sending them to be tortured therefore isn't something anyone in the US Government should be doing.

I think a thorough investigation into the identities and specific actions of these individuals alleged to have dishonored America with their cowardly choice to deprive people of due process, and their prosecution to the fullest extent of the law.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/4/2011 11:07:29 AM   
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So Obamas rebels in Libya are Taliban allies? Is that what this means?

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Right.  Kuhdaffy decided he wanted to be a "partner" in the war on terror.  What did you think that meant?  Tolerance nights at the mosque?

Funny how this "comes to light" immediately in the wake of the revelation that a rebel military commander had been caught and sent to a Libyan prison by the CIA, after he'd been snuggling with the Taliban in Afghanistan.


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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/4/2011 11:10:32 AM   
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Due process to American citizens, though Obama doesnt respect that.

All is fair in war though, when foreign nationals are working against us. Meaning there is nothing to prosecte (other than Obamas "cowardly choice to deprive people of due process" as you put it


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Last time I checked the paperwork, there was this thing called Due Process which the US Government had to legally provide.

Picking someone up and sending them to be tortured therefore isn't something anyone in the US Government should be doing.

I think a thorough investigation into the identities and specific actions of these individuals alleged to have dishonored America with their cowardly choice to deprive people of due process, and their prosecution to the fullest extent of the law.


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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/4/2011 11:19:12 AM   
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So Obamas rebels in Libya are Taliban allies? Is that what this means?



That's a good question, Sanity.  The answer seems to be, "we hope not."  Nobody has ever tried to deny that radical religious elements make up a chunk of the rebellion, but it gets sketchy at how big a chunk. 

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/4/2011 11:52:21 AM   
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So Obamas rebels in Libya are Taliban allies? Is that what this means?


What we do know is these are the same rebels you were screaming that if Obama doesn't help them fast they will be all dead.

Or did you think we forgot all of that?


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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/4/2011 5:25:40 PM   
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Right.  Kuhdaffy decided he wanted to be a "partner" in the war on terror.  What did you think that meant?  Tolerance nights at the mosque?

Funny how this "comes to light" immediately in the wake of the revelation that a rebel military commander had been caught and sent to a Libyan prison by the CIA, after he'd been snuggling with the Taliban in Afghanistan.



So why is that funny, other than you thinking so ?

It is well known the CIA and MI6 have been working with the Libyans to halt AQ activity. Is it your suggestion this was wrong ?

Whats more disturbing, at least to me, is that new labour seemed to have lied to Parliament on the issue of the Lockerbie bomber.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/4/2011 5:43:44 PM   
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Not "ha-ha" funny, Polite, but "let's cover our asses with anything we can reach out and grab" funny.  I don't know if the same response comes in your country with references to MI-6, but over here, there is a knee-jerk aversion among the left to ever viewing CIA as anything but a thoroughly evil entity.  Bringing this up, no matter how long the well informed have known the agency was cooperating with Libya, is offered as "proof" the Kuhdaffy regime was intolerable, and to reframe the commander with Taliban ties as just another victim of the Bush years.

It's convoluted and counter-intuitive I know,but the good Mr. Orwell once captured it nicely as "doublethink."

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/4/2011 5:46:21 PM   
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You're going to have to cite the text of the Constitution which limits due process to Citizens to support that insane hypothesis.


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Due process to American citizens, though Obama doesnt respect that.




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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/4/2011 5:50:08 PM   
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Not "ha-ha" funny, Polite, but "let's cover our asses with anything we can reach out and grab" funny.  I don't know if the same response comes in your country with references to MI-6, but over here, there is a knee-jerk aversion among the left to ever viewing CIA as anything but a thoroughly evil entity.  Bringing this up, no matter how long the well informed have known the agency was cooperating with Libya, is offered as "proof" the Kuhdaffy regime was intolerable, and to reframe the commander with Taliban ties as just another victim of the Bush years.

It's convoluted and counter-intuitive I know,but the good Mr. Orwell once captured it nicely as "doublethink."


I never mentioned haha funny Rich, since I knew what you meant. Your post seems to assert the story came from the Obama office, and not the foreign press in Libya, or indeed, the new Libyan government.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/4/2011 6:01:37 PM   
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I don't know where the story originated, Polite, but it broke large, the day after the background of the rebel commander did.  It walks and quacks like a media scramble, at least in my view.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/4/2011 6:20:06 PM   
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No doubt we will hear much over the next few weeks from files found in Libya Rich.

Time will tell who knew and did what, as well as when. Some of this will be interesting reading and some very uncomfortable.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/4/2011 6:41:04 PM   
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What does anyone think lies under the trappings of power and influence, good morals, hardly, there is sleaze everywhere, no country is immune from it, and by that, no country can claim moral ideals, it is all just a game, and a game that gets people wrongly accused, and killed, but from that someone always gains.

But if the rebels in Libya are connected in any way shape or form to the Taliban, what would be the reaction if it was the Libyan rebels although part of an enemy fought elsewhere, were in fact not motivated as the enemy elsewhere, because they have different problems to sort out, would they be seen as moderates, or just not motivated, because at the present they have no problems beyond that which they have just sorted out. But what of years to come, will the west be again fighting in Libya, because that enemy elsewhere has now risen there. In other words could it be said, we in the west reap what we sow, we, or at least those who say they act for us interfere in a country's development and politics, could it be past rebels and those inspired by them will attack the west ?

Lockerbie bomber equals oil deals for powerful companies, curious how they went ahead once the bomber was back on Libyan soil, but again, where there is power and influence there is sleaze aplenty.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/4/2011 6:54:46 PM   
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And what. Who fucking chooses a dictator ? Have you ever thought of that ?

Qaddafi was cool with the US for a time. Remember that time ? Hint : gasoline was about a buck a gallon and people were bitching about it. Saddam was cool, REALLY cool. When OUR Iatolla got deposed and had to hide in Jimmy Carter's basement, Saddam was tits man. He was the cure for what ails you. But then later came.

The smart world leaders know not to get too entangled with the US govenment. Because the US government will take you for all you have and then some, and then crucify you, and that's if they like you. They have no fucking concept of what loyalty means, and that is why I try to keep any and all young people from enlisting in the military or working for the government.

Those people are the worst, nastiest, fuck you over every time motherfuckers you could EVER meet on this planet. Stay the fuck away from them.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/4/2011 7:02:11 PM   
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We can agree on that, Polite.  I guess the rebels are about ready to take the last strongholds.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/4/2011 7:09:39 PM   
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Where there is muck there is brass,

Where there is brass there is muck

muck and brass are inseperable

The two terms can be used differently, they can be honest in that one man's cast offs is another man's wealth, or dishonestly as we are all seeing daily on the world stage, thanks to our ever vigilant free media.

From a personal perspective joining the military is a con job, see the world, kill and be killed, so suits can get wealthier.

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RE: CIA and MI6 in bed with KDaffy - 9/4/2011 9:55:55 PM   
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Libya may well end up being to Obama what Iran was to Carter

Except carter wasnt directly responsible for the Iranian revolution, as Obama is with the developing situation in Libya

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So Obamas rebels in Libya are Taliban allies? Is that what this means?



That's a good question, Sanity.  The answer seems to be, "we hope not."  Nobody has ever tried to deny that radical religious elements make up a chunk of the rebellion, but it gets sketchy at how big a chunk. 


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