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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 11:06:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: Endivius

A public statement is not the same as a ruling. Spend less time trying to sound clever, and buy a fucking clue. 2nd post from the top of page 4 with the entire SCOTUS ruling.

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR
THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA H1 24
SAVANNAH DIVISION
CL ER
SQ.
IN RE TROY ANTHONY DAVIS ) CASE NO. CV409-130
ORDER

You fuckin ignorant shiteater.

Learn what SCOTUS is (heres a hint to you nutsuckers: it ain't in Georgia, and in fact aint anywhere near it). And google might help you. However; I can see you cannot read so that might be at issue.

Try to get clever instead of running around like a fuckin imbecile.

And check your headpipes. I gave you the entire SCOTUS ruling.

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 11:08:51 AM

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I personally would not dare to make any connection between Nazi concentration camps and American death rows

In reply to you and the subsequent post - yes it took time to get death penalty abolished - and yes there were many many good reasons to abolish it

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 11:10:22 AM

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laste executions by the American military government 1951) and 1987 (GDR) - yes the Nazis were leading supporters of the death penalty - you can still find some of their arguments in wikipedia if you wish - very interesting ...

Yeah, I'm pretty well aware you stopped hanging people in the 1800s.
And I appreciate modern germans wish to put a big old sheet over the deeds of ancestors as close as fathers and grandfathers too.
Surely you can understand the irony felt by someone who lives in a country that just executed two of it's members (regardless of standing) and is currently wrestling with great introspection, by a person who's own countrymen as little as a few generations ago murdered (without due process) anywhere between 5 and 7 people (depending whether you count gays, and gypsies and such).
It's irony's finest hour to be quite blunt.
But thanks for your concern we'll keep working on it.

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 11:16:45 AM

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You are too buissy trying to cover your tracks in an absurd attempt to sound coherent. The entire ruling is about 172 pages. I guess being ignorant is easier than being correct. So stick to what you are good at, put your helmet back on and don't miss the bus.

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 11:16:55 AM

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An Ihnen geworfen werden ewig.

Ist das nicht ein shoener ort.

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 11:20:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: Endivius

You are too buissy trying to cover your tracks in an absurd attempt to sound coherent. The entire ruling is about 172 pages. I guess being ignorant is easier than being correct. So stick to what you are good at, put your helmet back on and don't miss the bus.

Tell me what SCOTUS is; sockpuppet locked/ucky. It aint in Georgia, the 172 page ruling is from a district court in GA.

Run around and lie and pretend all you want that the Supreme Court Of the United States made a 172 page ruling instead of a one sentence ruling.

But you dont have the ruling from SCOTUS anywhere on this thread other than the one I gave you.

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 11:29:00 AM

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your irony is lost on me - despite being German, also some of my relatives were among those executed before 1945 ...
and some other relatives were Nazi party members - these things happened

I seriously doubt "modern Germans" as such try to "put a big old sheet over deeds of ancestors as close as fathers and grandfathers" ... you hardly can when you have concentration camps like Dachau and Buchenwald in the vicinity, not to mention the amount of "Aussenlager" going into hundreds ...

again - the German past can teach one many lessons why death penalty needs to be abolished - not only the German past

the USA past is that someone was executed only a few hours ago, despite international protests almost world-wide

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 11:33:54 AM

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Jeez, endivus, you don't seem to know the difference between a Georgia District Court and the SCOTUS ,and you didn't read the decision of either, nor the trial transcript like you tried to claim. The reason I know that is because you also don't know the case involved a single murder, not multiple murders, as you tried to insist. And what is it with you and the word "buissy"? Is that even a word?
So, why do you think you are credible on this issue?

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 11:36:16 AM

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You are right, the SCOTUS ruling is 5 pages long. I was wrong, so corrected.

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 11:38:12 AM

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Do you have a link to the SCOTUS ruling?

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 11:38:43 AM

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I could give a shit what you think, but it would be a wasted shit.

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 11:43:52 AM

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Gee. YOu have been saying that a lot this morning. The part about being wrong, I mean.

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You are right, the SCOTUS ruling is 5 pages long. I was wrong, so corrected.

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 11:44:02 AM

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http://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/092111zr.pdf

If you have a five page scotus ruling it came from china.

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 11:45:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Gee. YOu have been saying that a lot this morning. The part about being wrong, I mean.

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ORIGINAL: Endivius

You are right, the SCOTUS ruling is 5 pages long. I was wrong, so corrected.

He's gonna need to say it again, as well. Even with a fax cover and separator sheets it wouldn't make 3 pages.

locked/ucky isn't any better at the law under this sockpuppet than his past ones.

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 11:53:09 AM

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Anytime a cop is the victim, you introduce doubt into the equation. Whether the ballistics analysis is outsourced has no bearing, as the cops collect and process the evidence. Anytime you marry that conflict of interest with a capital case, you have a train wreck. We have blatant judicial activism in the courts, and suddenly when it comes to capital cases, 'judicial activism' among the law enforcement ranks is suddenly impossible to you?

You're right, unfortunately there's a back room atmosphere that prevails when a cop is the victim. Back in the 70s when my brother was a DC cop, if a cop was shot or injured and they caught the perp, a paddy wagon would show up with a handful of uniformed officers in the back. The perp would be given his ride to the station in the company of these cops and he's "be played the song of the woodwinds" on the way it.
In some cities, it can be a lot worse and a lot more blatant than that these days.
I have a great story about that brother in the intro phase of his next step up in DC. PM me sometime and I'll relate it.

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 11:54:49 AM

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Does that mean first prize for being wrong goes to Endivius? Hurray Endivius! Don't let anyone take that away from you.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Gee. YOu have been saying that a lot this morning. The part about being wrong, I mean.

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ORIGINAL: Endivius

You are right, the SCOTUS ruling is 5 pages long. I was wrong, so corrected.

He's gonna need to say it again, as well. Even with a fax cover and separator sheets it wouldn't make 3 pages.

locked/ucky isn't any better at the law under this sockpuppet than his past ones.

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 12:10:01 PM

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your irony is lost on me - despite being German, also some of my relatives were among those executed before 1945 ...

It's common for someone making a set of remarks that turn out ironic to another to be unaware how it influences others. Less irony would occur if everyone automatically knew the consequences their words would have no big mystery here.

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the USA past is that someone was executed only a few hours ago, despite international protests almost world-wide

Okay, good for you that you folks own your past. But here's a fact for you about The United States Democracy. We as a country by and large consider it OUR responsibility to straighten out problems with OUR system of government and OUR organization of society. And I also get that the world has a tolerance threshold for such things. But ultimately, it'll be handled internally.

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 12:19:44 PM

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your irony is lost on me - despite being German, also some of my relatives were among those executed before 1945 ...

It's common for someone making a set of remarks that turn out ironic to another to be unaware how it influences others. Less irony would occur if everyone automatically knew the consequences their words would have no big mystery here.

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the USA past is that someone was executed only a few hours ago, despite international protests almost world-wide

Okay, good for you that you folks own your past. But here's a fact for you about The United States Democracy. We as a country by and large consider it OUR responsibility to straighten out problems with OUR system of government and OUR organization of society. And I also get that the world has a tolerance threshold for such things. But ultimately, it'll be handled internally.

great - then do it

by the way I forgot to mention who influenced the monarchs of Tuscany and Austria to abolish death penalty in the 1780s - someone you as a country can be REALLY proud of: Thomas Jefferson

But compared to that you as a country seem to be a bit late to "handle things internally"

to disagree with you finally: human rights are universal, not an internal affair

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 12:22:02 PM

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And you are deliberately misconstruing what I say. I don't know whether he was innocent or not. My concern is that the process was unfair, unfair enough to make me question whether he could have been convicted beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe he could have, maybe not. I still believe he was entitled to be tried based on unbiased and untainted evidence. Like I have said about 10 times.

34 eyewitnesses. Including 3 airmen. Where was the biased and tainted evidence?

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/22/2011 12:29:11 PM

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despite international protests almost world-wide

Can you show these protests to me?...I'll bet a significant portion of people in the countries that protest capital punishment believe in it themselves...at least would if they or their families were victims of capital crimes.

I think you are wrong to say the whole world is against capital punishment as opposed to millions of Americans that support it...I've found the majority of any large population group tend to think alike despite political affiliations.

Butch

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