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Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 8:17:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		He was executed at 11:08 pm ... just a fgew minutes ago. Maybe 40 minutes after the US Supreme Court turned down his request for a stay.
   Not sure what I think about this one. Sounds like there was a lot of recanted testimony and the cops really overlooked a lot in their initial investigation.
   Curious what others think. Anybody been following this closely?



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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 8:21:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Davis is why the death penalty should be ended.  He did not commit this crime.

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 8:25:31 PM   
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Davis is why the death penalty should be ended.  He did not commit this crime.


Why do you think that?

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 8:26:54 PM   
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Davis is why the death penalty should be ended. He did not commit this crime.


Everything I saw in terms of albeit late reporting sure made it look that way.

I'm really sick of the circus atmosphere around these events, that's for sure.



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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 8:33:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I'm sick of the circus that has surrounded this, too. 

And willbe, I think that based on the fact that his conviction solely from so-called eyewitness testimony and those eyewitnesses have since recanted what they said in court.  This was a case where a cop was killed and somebody had to pay for that--and nobody cared who it was that paid.  The cops and prosecution and judges decided Davis should pay despite the lack of any evidence.

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 8:34:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Davis is why the death penalty should be ended.We can not be sure,by any stretch of the imagination,that he committed this crime.

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 8:34:54 PM   
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Davis is why the death penalty should be ended. He did not commit this crime.


Everything I saw in terms of albeit late reporting sure made it look that way.

I'm really sick of the circus atmosphere around these events, that's for sure.





All of the "late reporting" in the Hurricane Carter case made it look that way too....yet you can bet he did it. Is it worth learning more about Troy Davis, or is it just another celebrity cause du jour?

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 8:35:15 PM   
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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 8:36:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can we execute anyone based on such a standard...."yet you can bet he did it"?

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 8:37:56 PM   
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In other news, it was a twofer today, with a man convicted in the Texas courts facing the needle as well.

HUNTSVILLE, Texas (AP) — A white supremacist gang member was executed Wednesday evening for the infamous dragging death slaying of a black man.



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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 8:50:59 PM   
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Yeah, I'm sick of the circus that has surrounded this, too. 

And willbe, I think that based on the fact that his conviction solely from so-called eyewitness testimony and those eyewitnesses have since recanted what they said in court.  This was a case where a cop was killed and somebody had to pay for that--and nobody cared who it was that paid.  The cops and prosecution and judges decided Davis should pay despite the lack of any evidence.



Welllllll.....Im not convinced yet.

""Ultimately, while Mr. Davis' new evidence casts some additional, minimal doubt on his conviction, it is largely smoke and mirrors," Moore ruled. "The vast majority of the evidence at trial remains intact, and the new evidence is largely not credible or lacking in probative value."



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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 9:09:10 PM   
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All of the "late reporting" in the Hurricane Carter case made it look that way too....yet you can bet he did it. Is it worth learning more about Troy Davis, or is it just another celebrity cause du jour?


We got one fucking GREAT song outta ole Big Nose though... look on the bright side.
   This sounded different than Carter's situation.


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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 9:11:05 PM   
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   Curious what others think. Anybody been following this closely?

It doesnt surprise me. I dont know if he was innocent or not, but you can be sure that not everyone put to death was guilty. They have found out (too late) that too many people were innocent, not that it changes anything. No one in the govt gives a shit...




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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 9:14:26 PM   
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All of the "late reporting" in the Hurricane Carter case made it look that way too....yet you can bet he did it. Is it worth learning more about Troy Davis, or is it just another celebrity cause du jour?


We got one fucking GREAT song outta ole Big Nose though... look on the bright side.
   This sounded different than Carter's situation.



Yup. One of the few songs that was so good he couldnt ruin it by singing. Though Scarlet Rivera really made that song what it was.


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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 9:26:01 PM   
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The cops and prosecution and judges decided Davis should pay despite the lack of any evidence.



They had shitloads of eyewitnesses, didn't they?

Yeah.  These things often follow a pattern in the media.  Claims of doubt by witnesses, or appeals to emotion because the guy who went on the shotgun kill spree wrote a children's book while in prison.  Afterwards, we'll hear a little about the victim, and the facts of the crime that were in evidence, and that will be the end of it.

As I understand the facts of this case, some shitty human being in a fast food parking lot was abusing a homeless guy for kicks, and when the security guard came over to stop it, the punk put a cap in his ass, for no good reason, whatsoever, but seemed to think it was all pretty funny.  Nine eyewitnesses said that piece-of-shit punk was Troy Davis.  I have no idea what the eyewitnesses in the case have been through in the decades since the cold-blooded murder, but at the time, they took the oath, and told it to a jury that believed them.  It's been all the way to the Supreme Court.

The AP quotes him as saying, "I did not have a gun." That makes me wonder if he has ever said who did.  I don't like cases like this.  I'd rather have direct physical evidence, if not a full confession.  The idea is that the right person pays the price of the crime.  In something like this might be, where a gangbanger would rather die than rat out his buddy, I guess I'm ok with getting the right gang.

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 9:27:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		This case has made me question my previous support of the death penalty. The problem was standard of proof. He was proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. A large part of the testimony was later recanted. Had it not been for that testimony, there is at least a chance he would not have been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Instead of retrying him, the Supremes gave him a chance to prove his innocence with a very high standard of proof. Prove his innocence? What the fuck? Where is that in the goddamn constitution? He is a criminal defendant, the state has to prove him guilty. Yes, I know he got his day in court, but if you are going to impose such an irreversible sentence, why not err on the side of caution? If the State had a viable, non tainted case, they would have been able to convict him again, and impose the death sentence with no question of his guilt.
He may or may not have committed the crime, but he was definitely treated unconstitutionally. If the Supremes care so little about justice, I just don't see how we can justify the death penalty anymore.

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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 9:27:43 PM   
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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 9:30:27 PM   
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Yup. One of the few songs that was so good he couldnt ruin it by singing.


Having seen him probably 40 - 50 times altogether, I can assure you are completely and utterly wrong. He has at one point or another in his career ruined every single song he ever performed live. The MOST EGREGIOUS being the three times I had to sit through the SHEER HORROR of him singing his catalog with the Grateful Dead as his band. Watching 4 guys standing mute behind him (anyone of whom could have kicked his ass with vocals to his own songs).
  Only good thing I have to say about that experience is that Petty never did the Job they did as the backup band.



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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 9:36:06 PM   
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RE: Troy Davis is now dead... - 9/21/2011 9:36:30 PM   
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They had shitloads of eyewitnesses, didn't they?


What I heard tonight was that there were 8 or 9 and 7 recanted, some claiming coercion by the cops.
   Whenever I hear them leaning on people with threats of hard time for other shit. I think about the shenanigans that were allowed in the Providence PD when Buddy Cianci was mayor and I worked for the courts... I saw a lot of people go up for felonies with real sketchy cases built around them.
  But like I said, I sure as hell haven't been following this one well enough to say.



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