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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 2:10:53 AM   
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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 9:56:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is more to it than just having a housekeeper.  The man I am seeing now has a fascinating job.  He spends time talking to congressman, dealing with well known local businesses, and traveling to various waterways throughout the state.  I LOVE talking about his job, it is so interesting.
My ex BF was an aspiring house husband, on my dime, of course.  He wanted a low stress life, where he kept the home fires burning while I went to work and supported us both.  In short, he wanted the same thing as Kevin, minus the toilet training.  Thank god for small blessings.  Anyway, his idea of a snappingly good conversation was talking about how to put dishes away in the cupboard.
Which one do you think is more interesting?


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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 10:13:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Answering the original question I say it depends on the situation.

Here´s MY personal point of view on this:
If the household person is similar to "hired help" with no emotional attachment to the person in the household maintained, it´s worth it as household persons salary. Same with BDSMslave "out on loan" between Doms, the slave is fed and taken care of fully by loaner.

If the household person is emotionally attached to the household owner, as in a power exchanged BDSM-relationship with household owner, it´s NOT worth it as an extra treat or similar, as household tasks are required of the submissive woman, living together or not.
The woman gets fed and taken care of naturally in emotionally attached BDSM-relationship, so no extra treats for doing the household tasks in the relationship. The woman naturally/of course having this "traditional conviction" herself and no woman is never forced to accept this arrangement at all!

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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 10:21:59 AM   
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There is more to it than just having a housekeeper.  The man I am seeing now has a fascinating job.  He spends time talking to congressman, dealing with well known local businesses, and traveling to various waterways throughout the state.  I LOVE talking about his job, it is so interesting.
My ex BF was an aspiring house husband, on my dime, of course.  He wanted a low stress life, where he kept the home fires burning while I went to work and supported us both.  In short, he wanted the same thing as Kevin, minus the toilet training.  Thank god for small blessings.  Anyway, his idea of a snappingly good conversation was talking about how to put dishes away in the cupboard.
Which one do you think is more interesting?



Either, frankly.

It's not the what, it's the who and why.

Dishwasher duties, and home stuff is important to me.....it's family stuff and no less interesting. Occupations can alter in a heartbeat. What you do is just what you do, what you ARE is far more interesting.

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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 10:22:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Having come from that situation personally and living it for a good many years (about 20), I would have to say yes.  I had my own interests and I did work, but the arrangement was bliss. Although HE was the cook, I took care of the mundane for Him (bill paying, laundry and keeping an eye on his household staff) and it worked very well. I ran his errands as well and when he came home...he came home to paradise...not chaos.
I think it comes down to affordability. And it's not an all or nothing situation either. One person does not have to be the unemployed, stay-at-home role model while the other goes out everyday to earn money. I chose to work outside the home as well as inside. While he was an exceptional provider, he understood I needed to have something of my own not given to me by him and he encouraged it. No, we never married....neither of us needed that piece of paper to say we were together. And with his untimely death, he had left me with more than just memories.
So ultimately, it depends on a person's wants, needs and financial standing.

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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 10:43:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		PS....in the loaning/hired help situation when it´s worth it, "living expences" only include food, bed and human needs, not cigarettes, candy, snacks, alcohol, new clothes, new shoes and so on. That is totally slaveowners responsibility. She would only be doing household tasks at home, nothing else.
For practical convenience I could pay for all this, getting my money back(when returning "the loaned slave") from slaveowner.

All above NOT official or known by the authorities/the state at all and in private BDSM-play-context and both parties aware of different risks involved.

In the "hired help" situation(also worth it) it could be unofficial as above and in BDSM-play-context or completely out in the open in non-BDSM-context with extra insurance, jobtaxes and the whole works and which ever chosen must be conscented to and riskawareness must exist by both parties.

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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 11:10:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Boy, not for me.  I thought my ex was deadly boring.  He was far more interesting when he was actually running a business and had something worthwhile to say at the end of the day.

But that's just me, I guess.
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ORIGINAL: agirl

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

There is more to it than just having a housekeeper.  The man I am seeing now has a fascinating job.  He spends time talking to congressman, dealing with well known local businesses, and traveling to various waterways throughout the state.  I LOVE talking about his job, it is so interesting.
My ex BF was an aspiring house husband, on my dime, of course.  He wanted a low stress life, where he kept the home fires burning while I went to work and supported us both.  In short, he wanted the same thing as Kevin, minus the toilet training.  Thank god for small blessings.  Anyway, his idea of a snappingly good conversation was talking about how to put dishes away in the cupboard.
Which one do you think is more interesting?



Either, frankly.

It's not the what, it's the who and why.

Dishwasher duties, and home stuff is important to me.....it's family stuff and no less interesting. Occupations can alter in a heartbeat. What you do is just what you do, what you ARE is far more interesting.

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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 11:31:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		You know, it has been my experience that boring people, well........regardless........they just seem to be nearly always boring.

As much as G.D. sometimes makes me want to throttle him to get him to shut the hell up.......he has NEVER been boring. Maddening, exasperating, frustrating, annoying, funny, entertaining and many other things, but never ever boring........whatever the topic. He is one of those people that everyone just adores and wants to be around, but often times not easy to actually live with. Then again, I doubt I am easy to live with either.......just for different reasons.


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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 11:55:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Boy, not for me.  I thought my ex was deadly boring.  He was far more interesting when he was actually running a business and had something worthwhile to say at the end of the day.

But that's just me, I guess.
quote:

ORIGINAL: agirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

There is more to it than just having a housekeeper.  The man I am seeing now has a fascinating job.  He spends time talking to congressman, dealing with well known local businesses, and traveling to various waterways throughout the state.  I LOVE talking about his job, it is so interesting.
My ex BF was an aspiring house husband, on my dime, of course.  He wanted a low stress life, where he kept the home fires burning while I went to work and supported us both.  In short, he wanted the same thing as Kevin, minus the toilet training.  Thank god for small blessings.  Anyway, his idea of a snappingly good conversation was talking about how to put dishes away in the cupboard.
Which one do you think is more interesting?



Either, frankly.

It's not the what, it's the who and why.

Dishwasher duties, and home stuff is important to me.....it's family stuff and no less interesting. Occupations can alter in a heartbeat. What you do is just what you do, what you ARE is far more interesting.

agirl




My husband ran his own business.THATdidn't make him interesting. What made him a fine man was his outlook, how he treated people, the way he adjusted his life as time went along, the way he thought of ME as the person raising his children and how it all went together. 

He was interested in the ins and outs of *dull* home stuff......just as I was in his *venerated* customers.

After arriving at a job with a coconut in the back of his truck he had to admit that he'd dodged it as he'd walked down the path to work. His aristocratic customer just said * I'd LOVE to meet your wife!!!!*

He was not a boring man, I was not a boring girl.  What we *did* wasn't what we were.

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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 11:56:45 AM   
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You know, it has been my experience that boring people, well........regardless........they just seem to be nearly always boring.

As much as G.D. sometimes makes me want to throttle him to get him to shut the hell up.......he has NEVER been boring. Maddening, exasperating, frustrating, annoying, funny, entertaining and many other things, but never ever boring........whatever the topic. He is one of those people that everyone just adores and wants to be around, but often times not easy to actually live with. Then again, I doubt I am easy to live with either.......just for different reasons.



and yeah.

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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 12:37:36 PM   
Iamsemisweet


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Status: offline 		In any case, my post comparing my ex to my current is just another reason why my answer to the question  "is doing all household tasks worth a person's living expenses TO YOU" is "no".  It is not, TO ME.  Which is, after all, the question that the OP asked.  I am not making value judgments on other peoples' choices, so relax.
If you think both scenarios I presented are equally interesting, good for you.   TO ME, they are not.


< Message edited by Iamsemisweet -- 9/28/2011 12:38:33 PM >

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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 2:18:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		As someone that does housework regularly every week for Master and Mistress with whom I don't live with, I must say I find the whole concept of not needing to do real work in addition to housework while staying at someones home absolutely hilarious. Someone who wants to be a slave especially live in slave in my eyes should be perfectly capable of both providing income and doing necessary housework and more.

Its also I reason why I can't consider myself fit for a dedicated 24/7 D/s relationship yet, I'm finishing college and I have no steady income and I would feel like a leech and a failure instead of a slave if I lived at my dominants place without working no matter the amount of household(and frankly 10h of housework per week is more than enough for a regular living space to be sparkling clean) tasks done.

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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 2:56:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		it doesnt really surprise America is the home of capitalism and has scant regard for down and out, impoverished, or otherwise societally excluded individuals, meaning persons through no fault of their own who cannot work and thus do not enjoy the benefits that others enjoy. Your social welfare if you dont mind me saying so is a pauper's wage, not even a poor person in ireland could survive for a day on the social security that is given in the states, it just would not be possible, i dont know how the poor manage over there it must be a very desperate and painful struggle. i feel for them i really do. Ireland on the other hand is a social welfare state we have taken after the British i dont know is it because we suffered such an awful famine in the 1840s but we definitely have more empathy for the impoverished and this is borne out by the generous social welfare we give to those who need it, in contrast i was sickened when in New York seeing lots of beggars being passed by by very well to do and quite opulent individuals and seeing their empty cups, in dublin this wouldnt happen , like i say it might be a function of the oppression and famine we suffered in the 1840s but people rarely pass beggars on the street without giving them something, beggars can indeed make up to $300 just begging in Dublin, in London it is similar to New York, quite heartless, quite monstrous, the epitome of capitalism which has destroyed society and continues to do so
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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 3:00:14 PM   
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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 3:04:05 PM   
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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 4:14:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		People would think Master and I were the most boring people they ever met if they ever heard our conversations.....where should we go to eat, my conversation about organizing the cupboards or putting together the drawers for under the bed, the sale that the local grocery store has on meat, our college class exams, etc....

like agirl it has nothing to do with WHAT is being said but who is speaking. For me personally what someone does really doesn't interest me at all. It may be fascinating or interesting for awhile but it's only a temporary thing. As the relationship goes on it's just not going to be another part of their day like my organizing the cupboards.



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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 6:58:47 PM   
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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 7:19:37 PM   
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So where do I find one of these people?
The bus station. 

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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 7:22:26 PM   
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No. As some others have pointed out, it would cost me more to cover them than it would to just hire someone.


It's been a while, Rumpus.  Nice to see you again. 


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RE: Is doing all household tasks worth a person's livin... - 9/28/2011 11:43:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		no i certainly wouldnt beg as i am not at that desperate state yet but some people do do it, im also not saying it s right, it is not but what is also not right is the flagrant disregard American officialdom has for the poor as witnessed by the paltry social security payments in the States
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