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HannahLynHeather -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 7:55:48 AM)

commas are cool, but capital letters suck. i hate them. when i'm queen of the world anybody who uses them will be forcibly sterilized with a dull scalpel.

and to the question in the op? fuck no, may as well ask what the boogieman has to do with being bad. stupid fucking question.



vincentML -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 9:34:42 AM)

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As I said earlier....

Can you be good without god?

Of course

Just as someone can be bad with god

Jim Jones, Baker, Swaggert... just to name a few


Doesn't this raise the question of what it means to be "with god." You have listed some scammers who used god to promote their schemes. Perhaps detractors from these "elmer gantrys" would say they were never with god in the sense that they were in a state of Grace. At the very least they repudiated their godly beliefs by their actions. Doncha think?



VideoAdminDelta -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 10:36:19 AM)

Locking at least temporarily to take out the stuff that has to go.



VideoAdminDelta -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 11:43:51 AM)

The thread is now opened back up.  If you notice that a post that you made is no longer here, you will be receiving a letter shortly for an explanation.  Please do not repeat any of the remarks that have been removed.

Thank you.

Delta



HannahLynHeather -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 12:05:19 PM)

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Perhaps detractors from these "elmer gantrys" would say they were never with god in the sense that they were in a state of Grace.
oh for fuck's sake. god is made up, he isn't fucking real, so nobody is with god or without god. god is just a fucking delusion, a fantasy used by people who are too fucking cowardly or weak to accept responsibility for themselves.

you want to be good, then do it, what the fuck do you need some collection of ancient fairy tails to tell you how, you should be able to figure that out for yourself. you have a brain, use it.



Kirata -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 1:22:52 PM)


Well at least you didn't repeat any of the remarks that were removed. [:D]

K.



Iamsemisweet -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 1:25:59 PM)

Well, that is what I think too.  And yet, there are still those who think they need religion, and insist that it is a force for good.  I don't see it that way.  You are either an ethical, moral person, or you aren't.  In fact, I tend to believe that religion (which I am defining as a belief in a higher power) does more harm than good.

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

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Perhaps detractors from these "elmer gantrys" would say they were never with god in the sense that they were in a state of Grace.
oh for fuck's sake. god is made up, he isn't fucking real, so nobody is with god or without god. god is just a fucking delusion, a fantasy used by people who are too fucking cowardly or weak to accept responsibility for themselves.

you want to be good, then do it, what the fuck do you need some collection of ancient fairy tails to tell you how, you should be able to figure that out for yourself. you have a brain, use it.




Kirata -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 1:34:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

I tend to believe that religion (which I am defining as a belief in a higher power) does more harm than good.

Okay. Make your case, then.

But make it as defined -- belief in a higher power -- without reference to the writings or doctrines of any particular religion.

K.



mnottertail -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 1:35:42 PM)

Oh, good god. This thread has risen, again. Jesus didn't have that many shots at it.



Kirata -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 1:53:54 PM)


Well nazis don't much interest me, and I can't afford a tomato. [:D]

K.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 2:08:24 PM)

i is a good girl, honest. [sm=angel.gif]



Iamsemisweet -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 2:49:52 PM)

I believe I will pass.  I am not seeking converts, after all.

If you are truly interested, and not just bored and passing the time, read God is Not Great, by Christopher Hitchens.
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

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Okay. Make your case, then.

But make it as defined -- belief in a higher power -- without reference to the writings or doctrines of any particular religion.

K.



Kirata -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 3:03:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

I believe I will pass. I am not seeking converts, after all.

If you are truly interested, and not just bored and passing the time, read God is Not Great, by Christopher Hitchens.

Nah, that's okay...

I'll just write you off as one of those types who repeat shit they can't defend and tell me to read the Bible if I have any questions.

K.



Iamsemisweet -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 3:04:47 PM)

Well, I definitely don't think you should read the bible.
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

I believe I will pass. I am not seeking converts, after all.

If you are truly interested, and not just bored and passing the time, read God is Not Great, by Christopher Hitchens.

Nah, that's okay...

I'll just write you off as one of those types who repeat shit they can't defend and tell me to read the Bible if I have any questions.

K.



Kirata -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 3:07:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Well, I definitely don't think you should read the bible.

Points for that one [:D]

K.



ricken -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 3:16:16 PM)

FR

I came late to the party, of course there is good with out god...how many wars are fought "in the name of god"?
How many preachers rip off old people "in the name of god"?

As far as I'm concerned; superstitious myth created to control the masses.

I feel I'm a much better and calmer person once I excluded belief in a higher power from my life.



crazyml -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 3:22:16 PM)

FR

Yes, you can be good without god, as an atheist I manage it.



Kirata -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 6:54:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ricken

of course there is good with out god...how many wars are fought "in the name of god"?
How many preachers rip off old people "in the name of god"?

As far as I'm concerned; superstitious myth created to control the masses.

I feel I'm a much better and calmer person once I excluded belief in a higher power from my life.

As far as controlling the masses goes, it doesn't seem to work very well.

But I'm certainly glad you're calmer now. [:D]

K.



OrionTheWolf -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/7/2011 7:31:56 PM)

Actually metaphor and parabels is how many lessons concerning ethics and morality have been learned, whether it is religion or a good fiction novel.


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ORIGINAL: ricken

FR

I came late to the party, of course there is good with out god...how many wars are fought "in the name of god"?
How many preachers rip off old people "in the name of god"?

As far as I'm concerned; superstitious myth created to control the masses.

I feel I'm a much better and calmer person once I excluded belief in a higher power from my life.




Anaxagoras -> RE: Can we be "good" without god? (10/8/2011 5:54:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ricken
I came late to the party, of course there is good with out god...how many wars are fought "in the name of god"?

Although some conflicts were seemingly fought on religious grounds (or at least primarily so) its still worth remembering that many wars supposedly fought in the name of God were really fought in the name of Greed. Greed is a constant in human behaviour whether pagan/monotheistic/atheistic...



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