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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/27/2011 8:12:33 PM   
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Your mayor is a democrat. Change that first and good things will happen in Erie.


Erie's mayor is bought and paid for by the people of The Erie Club--you have to be among the wealthiest of the wealthy in Erie to become a member of that club.  And it was complaints from The Erie Club that caused the city to force us to remove our tarps from around the gazebo-they blocked members' view of the park from the club.

So it's not just the Republicans that are bought and paid for?

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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/27/2011 8:14:55 PM   
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No one said it was, Firm.

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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/27/2011 8:15:07 PM   
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I never thought it was.  Our political system is corrupt and that is a major theme of the "occupy" movement.

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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/27/2011 8:24:47 PM   
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So it's not just the Republicans that are bought and paid for?

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Quite frankly, no it's not. That's really the point, here.

No, that's not a "both sides are bad...so vote D/R" call.

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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/27/2011 8:26:20 PM   
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No one said it was, Firm.


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I never thought it was.  Our political system is corrupt and that is a major theme of the "occupy" movement.


Well, I'm glad to see at least some of my liberal friends say this.

This has been one of my biggest "fights" since I joined the boards, when the majority of liberals caricaturize Republicans as evil incarnate, while Democrats are saints and angels.

Many see me as a "Republican can do no wrong" person primarily because I've spent most of my time pointing out that all Democrats aren't saints, and all Republicans are not demons.  But I have said that it is the overall system is badly bent, if not broken.  "The system" is government, which needs to be more responsive to citizens and less responsive whoever has the biggest war chest.

Just as "the poor" will always be with us, so will "the rich".  Condemning the poor, or the rich doesn't really solve the main problem: a government which has too much power to give out too many favors to whoever can purchase the influence.

In that sense, I agree with the OWS movement.  I just wish that they were protesting the most realistic place for a solution.  And it ain't "Wall Street".

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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/27/2011 8:28:16 PM   
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Your mayor is a democrat. Change that first and good things will happen in Erie.


Erie's mayor is bought and paid for by the people of The Erie Club--you have to be among the wealthiest of the wealthy in Erie to become a member of that club.  And it was complaints from The Erie Club that caused the city to force us to remove our tarps from around the gazebo-they blocked members' view of the park from the club.


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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/27/2011 8:34:29 PM   
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The ows protestors don't have any credibility when you realize that everything they are demanding is for more freebies. The outcry against the wealthy is nothing but jealousy. In fact, wealthy people don't take any money from the little people without providing a product or service. Unlike the federal government which takes from 53% invountarily and have no say on what the money is spent on.

In short, it doesn't matter how wealthy the top 1 or 5% is, they in no way, shape or form prevent everyone else from getting a job or pursuing a career, living within their means, saving some money on the side, making some smart investments, and raising a family.

It's the people who don't do it in the right order who condemn themselves to a life of poverty.

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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/27/2011 8:39:16 PM   
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What freebies are these?

The banksters got their bailout, for FREE.

The GOP helped Wallstreet pull off the biggest heist in American history and are still covering for them.

Shame on normal folks who have the gall to protest it.

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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/27/2011 8:47:12 PM   
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The GOP helped Wallstreet pull off the biggest heist in American history and are still covering for them.

Shame on normal folks who have the gall to protest it.


Them damn fat cat Republicans ....

Obama's Wall Street cabinet
6 April 2009

A series of articles published over the weekend, based on financial disclosure reports released by the Obama administration last Friday concerning top White House officials, documents the extent to which the administration, in both its personnel and policies, is a political instrument of Wall Street.

Policies that are extraordinarily favorable to the financial elite that were put in place over the past month by the Obama administration have fed a surge in share values on Wall Street. These include the scheme to use hundreds of billions of dollars in public funds to pay hedge funds to buy up the banks’ toxic assets at inflated prices, the Auto Task Force’s rejection of the recovery plans of Chrysler and General Motors and its demand for even more brutal layoffs, wage cuts and attacks on workers’ health benefits and pensions, and the decision by the Financial Accounting Standards Board (FASB) to weaken “mark-to-market” accounting rules and permit banks to inflate the value of their toxic assets.

At the same time, Obama has campaigned against restrictions on bonuses paid to executives at insurance giant American International Group (AIG) and other bailed-out firms, and repeatedly assured Wall Street that he will slash social spending, including Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

The new financial disclosures reveal that top Obama advisors directly involved in setting these policies have received millions from Wall Street firms, including those that have received huge taxpayer bailouts.

The case of Lawrence Summers, director of the National Economic Council and Obama’s top economic adviser, highlights the politically incestuous character of relations between the Obama administration and the American financial elite.

Last year, Summers pocketed $5 million as a managing director of D.E. Shaw, one of the biggest hedge funds in the world, and another $2.7 million for speeches delivered to Wall Street firms that have received government bailout money. This includes $45,000 from Citigroup and $67,500 each from JPMorgan Chase and the now-liquidated Lehman Brothers.

For a speech to Goldman Sachs executives, Summers walked away with $135,000. This is substantially more than double the earnings for an entire year of high-seniority auto workers, who have been pilloried by the Obama administration and the media for their supposedly exorbitant and “unsustainable” wages.

Alluding diplomatically to the flagrant conflict of interest revealed by these disclosures, the New York Times noted on Saturday: “Mr. Summers, the director of the National Economic Council, wields important influence over Mr. Obama’s policy decisions for the troubled financial industry, including firms from which he recently received payments.”

Summers was a leading advocate of banking deregulation. As treasury secretary in the second Clinton administration, he oversaw the lifting of basic financial regulations dating from the 1930s. The Times article notes that among his current responsibilities is deciding “whether—and how—to tighten regulation of hedge funds.”

Summers is not an exception. He is rather typical of the Wall Street insiders who comprise a cabinet and White House team that is filled with multi-millionaires, presided over by a president who parlayed his own political career into a multi-million-dollar fortune.

Michael Froman, deputy national security adviser for international economic affairs, worked for Citigroup and received more than $7.4 million from the bank from January of 2008 until he entered the Obama administration this year. This included a $2.25 million year-end bonus handed him this past January, within weeks of his joining the Obama administration.

Citigroup has thus far been the beneficiary of $45 billion in cash and over $300 billion in government guarantees of its bad debts.

David Axelrod, the Obama campaign’s top strategist and now senior adviser to the president, was paid $1.55 million last year from two consulting firms he controls. He has agreed to buyouts that will garner him another $3 million over the next five years. His disclosure claims personal assets of between $7 and $10 million.

Obama’s deputy national security adviser, Thomas E. Donilon, was paid $3.9 million by a Washington law firm whose major clients include Citigroup, Goldman Sachs and the private equity firm Apollo Management.

Louis Caldera, director of the White House Military Office, made $227,155 last year from IndyMac Bancorp, the California bank that heavily promoted subprime mortgages. It collapsed last summer and was placed under federal receivership.

The presence of multi-millionaire Wall Street insiders extends to second- and third-tier positions in the Obama administration as well. David Stevens, who has been tapped by Obama to head the Federal Housing Administration, is the president and chief operating officer of Long and Foster Cos., a real estate brokerage firm. From 1999 to 2005, Stevens served as a top executive for Freddie Mac, the federally-backed mortgage lending giant that was bailed out and seized by federal regulators in September.

Neal Wolin, Obama’s selection for deputy counsel to the president for economic policy, is a top executive at the insurance giant Hartford Financial Services, where his salary was $4.5 million.

Obama’s Auto Task Force has as its top advisers two investment bankers with a long resume in corporate downsizing and asset-stripping.

It is not new for leading figures from finance to be named to high posts in a US administration. However, there has traditionally been an effort to demonstrate a degree of independence from Wall Street in the selection of cabinet officials and high-ranking presidential aides, often through the appointment of figures from academia or the public sector. In previous decades, moreover, representatives of the corporate elite were more likely to come from industry than from finance.

In the Obama administration such considerations have largely been abandoned.

This will not come as a surprise to those who critically followed Obama’s election campaign. While he postured before the electorate as a critic of the war in Iraq and a quasi-populist force for “change,” he was from the first heavily dependent on the financial and political backing of powerful financiers in Chicago. Banks, hedge funds and other financial firms lavishly backed his presidential bid, giving him considerably more than they gave to his Republican opponent, Senator John McCain.

Fucking Republicans. 

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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/27/2011 8:50:25 PM   
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Your mayor is a democrat. Change that first and good things will happen in Erie.

Something you havent figured out yet is that the OWS movement isnt a Democrat movement or a Republican movement. It is a movement to cut the incestuous relationship between the large corporations and BOTH major parties.

In spite of what Rush tells his dittoheads and Beck tells his sheeple, BOTH parties are bought and paid for by big business. Our senators and congresspersons are no better than 20 dollar crack whores. They are bought and paid for and they spread their legs and swallow. That is what the OWS movement is about. How else could you explain that nearly all of the preemptive strikes against OWS were orchestrated by mayors who are of the Democrat party? Their political bosses TOLD them to hurt and/or kill their own damn people. Know what they did? They said "Yes Master"

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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/27/2011 8:51:26 PM   
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This joker is about as concerned with the OWSer`s sustenence as I am about a tea-bagger`s fat gut.

With nothing intelligent or meaningful left to say,the rightists only have childish insults and childish whining.


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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/27/2011 9:07:14 PM   
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This joker is about as concerned with the OWSer`s sustenence as I am about a tea-bagger`s fat gut.

With nothing intelligent or meaningful left to say,the rightists only have childish insults and childish whining.


pot meet kettle


I`m not faking concern...or outrage.....troll.

Clueless as ever.

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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/27/2011 9:28:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

This joker is about as concerned with the OWSer`s sustenence as I am about a tea-bagger`s fat gut.

With nothing intelligent or meaningful left to say,the rightists only have childish insults and childish whining.


pot meet kettle


I`m not faking concern...or outrage.....troll.

Clueless as ever.


Thanks for making my point.


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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/27/2011 10:24:19 PM   
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The ows protestors don't have any credibility when you realize that everything they are demanding is for more freebies.

Wrong!!  We are simply demanding economic justice.  In the past 40 years the income of the wealthy has increased by a staggering 275% while the income of the rest of us has largely flat lined.

The outcry against the wealthy is nothing but jealousy.
   Again, wrong!!  It goes back to that staggering income inequality.  We are not against wealthy people, we are against the system that has allowed their income to increase in such staggering numbers while the incomes of the rest of us have flat lined.
In fact, wealthy people don't take any money from the little people without providing a product or service. Unlike the federal government which takes from 53% invountarily and have no say on what the money is spent on.


In short, it doesn't matter how wealthy the top 1 or 5% is, they in no way, shape or form prevent everyone else from getting a job or pursuing a career, living within their means, saving some money on the side, making some smart investments, and raising a family.

How can anybody pursue a job or a career when businesses are not hiring?  The fact that 10s of 1,000s of people applied to work at McDonald's when they held their "hiring day" a few months back speaks volumes for just how bad the job market is.  And how can anybody 'live within their means" when they have no income, or the income they do have goes towards keeping a roof over their heads, food in their kids' bellies?  Making investments?  You are kidding right?  When people live pay check to pay check, there is no money to make investments or save.


It's the people who don't do it in the right order who condemn themselves to a life of poverty.

   Nice.  So the people who end up with a huge medical bills and lose everything just didn't "do it in the right order".


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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/28/2011 5:02:23 AM   
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Its a far left movement that has the full loving support of Barack Obama and all the other major Democrats. If there has been any disharmony between the Dems in office and the Dems and Communists and Anarchists and Nazis out pounding their chests on the streets  there isnt any evidence of it here, nor anywhere else as far as I know of.

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Something you havent figured out yet is that the OWS movement isnt a Democrat movement or a Republican movement. It is a movement to cut the incestuous relationship between the large corporations and BOTH major parties.


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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/28/2011 5:46:14 AM   
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Its a far left movement that has the full loving support of Barack Obama and all the other major Democrats. If there has been any disharmony between the Dems in office and the Dems and Communists and Anarchists and Nazis out pounding their chests on the streets  there isnt any evidence of it here, nor anywhere else as far as I know of.



But rushes ass suckers are still on message, cuz its pretty vacuous. I dont think that the republicans on their knees in the house cloakroom or in the corporate boardroom are in a disharmonious situation vis a vis their craven corporate appeasement.

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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/28/2011 6:21:27 AM   
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Its a far left movement that has the full loving support of Barack Obama and all the other major Democrats. If there has been any disharmony between the Dems in office and the Dems and Communists and Anarchists and Nazis out pounding their chests on the streets  there isnt any evidence of it here, nor anywhere else as far as I know of.

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Something you havent figured out yet is that the OWS movement isnt a Democrat movement or a Republican movement. It is a movement to cut the incestuous relationship between the large corporations and BOTH major parties.


What's interesting, sanity, is that in the early days of the TEA Party, (before they were coopted by the religious right) they said much of the same things that the OWS is saying now. They were initially fighting against corruption in government and the fact that most of our lawmakers of both parties are 'bought and paid for' by lobbyists. The 2 groups have more in common than either would like to admit.

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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/28/2011 6:25:40 AM   
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I dont accept your premise, there was never any coopting of the Tea Party

If the two groups had anything in common at any point there would be Conservatives joining these encampments, so your suggestion falls flat


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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/28/2011 6:36:15 AM   
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Look at the ealiest history of the TEA party(first coupla months). They weren't a Democrat or Republican group. They were Independents. Their goal was to eliminate corruption and cronyism in government on both sides of the aisle. That is one reason they went after Republicans as well as Dems in the elections. They didn't begin as a particularly religious group but they became one after the Far Right saw all that energy and fund raising capability and decided to harness it to their own means.

They were politically naive and when offered leadership, they accepted it.

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RE: Occupist Cooks Tired Of Feeding Freeloaders - 10/28/2011 6:37:04 AM   
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What's interesting, sanity, is that in the early days of the TEA Party, (before they were coopted by the religious right) they said much of the same things that the OWS is saying now. They were initially fighting against corruption in government and the fact that most of our lawmakers of both parties are 'bought and paid for' by lobbyists. The 2 groups have more in common than either would like to admit.

I have a problem with the "coopted by the religious right" comment as well, Hill.

There is a confluence of interests, between TEA partiers and other interests, but the core of the TEA party is that we are spending too much on government (Taxed Enough Already), and that the government has gotten too big and powerful.

You can have other beliefs, and still support the movement, but no other beliefs are "required" to be part of the movement.  The TEA party movement isn't "religious" in any sense of the word at all.

Kinda like  the OWS movement believes that the 1% is corrupt, and responsible for most of our economic ills, but you can also believe other things, and still be part of the movement.  Doesn't mean that the OWS is specifically "communistic" or "socialist" or "anarchist".

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