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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Its a far left movement that has the full loving support of Barack Obama and all the other major Democrats. If there has been any disharmony between the Dems in office and the Dems and Communists and Anarchists and Nazis out pounding their chests on the streets  there isnt any evidence of it here, nor anywhere else as far as I know of.

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Something you havent figured out yet is that the OWS movement isnt a Democrat movement or a Republican movement. It is a movement to cut the incestuous relationship between the large corporations and BOTH major parties.

What's interesting, sanity, is that in the early days of the TEA Party, (before they were coopted by the religious right) they said much of the same things that the OWS is saying now. They were initially fighting against corruption in government and the fact that most of our lawmakers of both parties are 'bought and paid for' by lobbyists. The 2 groups have more in common than either would like to admit.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Look at the ealiest history of the TEA party(first coupla months). They weren't a Democrat or Republican group. They were Independents. Their goal was to eliminate corruption and cronyism in government on both sides of the aisle. That is one reason they went after Republicans as well as Dems in the elections. They didn't begin as a particularly religious group but they became one after the Far Right saw all that energy and fund raising capability and decided to harness it to their own means.

They were politically naive and when offered leadership, they accepted it.

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I have a problem with the "coopted by the religious right" comment as well, Hill.

There is a confluence of interests, between TEA partiers and other interests, but the core of the TEA party is that we are spending too much on government (Taxed Enough Already), and that the government has gotten too big and powerful.

You can have other beliefs, and still support the movement, but no other beliefs are "required" to be part of the movement. The TEA party movement isn't "religious" in any sense of the word at all.

Kinda like the OWS movement believes that the 1% is corrupt, and responsible for most of our economic ills, but you can also believe other things, and still be part of the movement. Doesn't mean that the OWS is specifically "communistic" or "socialist" or "anarchist".

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I have a problem with the "coopted by the religious right" comment as well, Hill.

There is a confluence of interests, between TEA partiers and other interests, but the core of the TEA party is that we are spending too much on government (Taxed Enough Already), and that the government has gotten too big and powerful.

You can have other beliefs, and still support the movement, but no other beliefs are "required" to be part of the movement. The TEA party movement isn't "religious" in any sense of the word at all.

Kinda like the OWS movement believes that the 1% is corrupt, and responsible for most of our economic ills, but you can also believe other things, and still be part of the movement. Doesn't mean that the OWS is specifically "communistic" or "socialist" or "anarchist".

While I agree that we shouldn't paint with too broad a brush I still find it interesting that the Tea Party and the Occupy Movement reflect the usual Right/Left paradigm. The Tea Party believes that government is the main problem (Right) while the Occupy Movement believes that rich people are the main problem (Left).

Still waiting for the movement that reflects my philosophy: "Ya'll fucked in the head! Smoke a dobbie, crank up the Pink Floyd and chill the fuck out!"

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So, we have 2 people, Me and boi, who remember the TEA party as unaligned in the early days and 3, Firm, marc and sanity who don't.

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So, we have 2 people, Me and boi, who remember the TEA party as unaligned in the early days and 3, Firm, marc and sanity who don't.

Fair enough.

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So, we have 2 people, Me and boi, who remember the TEA party as unaligned in the early days and 3, Firm, marc and sanity who don't.

Fair enough.

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Them damn fat cat Republicans ....

Obama's Wall Street cabinet
6 April 2009

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So, we have 2 people, Me and boi, who remember the TEA party as unaligned in the early days and 3, Firm, marc and sanity who don't.

Fair enough.

Many remember them being unaligned before the "religious" groups stepped in and the republican party started playing to the audience.

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No, their association with the Republican party is really an "overturning" of the establishment part of the Party.

The party's stated ideals better matched the beliefs of many of the TEA party movement members, and gave a path to make a real political impact.  That's why it is more closely identified with the Republicans now, and why even establishment Republicans hate, and are against it.

Firm

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The point is that OWS is all about wealth distribution

That's what you're saying it is, but that's not true. Look on the website, it's nothing like that. The main goal is going after corruption, not about wealth distribution. The media makes it about inequality and you just eat it right up. Why not get your information from the source? It's easily available.

OWS doesn't have a solid message that they can all agree on. If you actually TALK to the people down there more often than not it is about wealth redistribution. It is about envy. It is that corporate greed is bad but personal greed is good as long as it is someone in the "99%" who is greedy.

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I know it isn't a Michelin-starred restaurant, but most of these people in their "protest" aren't doing much more than the homeless are doing....loitering. They are sitting on their asses, chanting with each other, playing drums or knitting, and getting in people's way who have to go to work or other appointments. They leave trash everywhere, defecate and urinate in the streets and in flowerpots.

In Occupy Baltimore, they are telling women who are raped that it should be handled internally and to report it to their "security council" but they can report it to the police if they really want to.

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Yet many scoff at the idea that the OWS and the Tea Party, in the beginning, were very similar in beliefs. They still are. They just cant see past the rhetoric of the likes of Rush, Rachel, Fox News an the like.