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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 10:51:06 AM   
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The awesome thing I have found about yoga and pilates is that you don't have to be skinny. A good yoga/pilates instructor will show you how to modify everything to accommodate any physical problems.

AND.....a good instructor will make a person feel welcome regardless of limitations and ability. Honestly, if I had not met my yoga instructor the way I did, I would have never tried it. I had visions of lithe, limber sexies doing graceful pretzel moves that I just KNEW I couldn't do. Certainly there are those but the atmosphere doesn't make others feel bad about themselves or their abilities, lack thereof. It's just a delightful environment that really does make you feel so much better.


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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 10:53:42 AM   
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That's cool. I am a big fan of stuff that does not require equipment..Pilates, Lotte Berk, Yoga, Callanetics...and of course ballet.

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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 11:04:07 AM   
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i love equipment-free methods, too (though i do want to try kettlebells).
i've been planning to get into a "ballet for adults" class -- it's useful to cross-train for belly dance anyway.


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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 12:09:04 PM   
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ok.. due to herditary osteo issues, I not only have scoliosis, but also lordosis (swayback).

while a corset wont help the scoliosis, it sure as fuck helps the lordosis for more than a minute!! if it wasnt for the back brace that REsident Sadist gave me, my back would be in WAY worse shape than otherwise..

a corset would work better, because the brace doesnt support in all the areas my back needs it, for the lordosis.

NOW.. that being said.. I am FIRM BELIEVER in chiropractic/osteopathic treatments, as well as acupuncture. make use of the treatments available.

YAY FOR TENS UNITS!!

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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 12:17:38 PM   
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I don't want short cuts so I dont have to do the work, cause the works gone be there no matter what. I just thought some posture help would be nice cause I don't seem to notice when I am slouching, or can't "sit up strait" by myself. Partly cause I don't have the strength to and I for what ever reason have this idea that good posture means throwing your shoulders back chest stuck out hips sorta tucked in. If that's good posture I can't maintain it. Yet.

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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 12:28:24 PM   
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Topping, the body is a pretty fascinating little machine. It's constantly adjusting itself to what we're telling it to do- which is how much we move, how we move, or what we ask from it. Therefore if we put too much pressure on it, it tries to compensate and if we don't put much pressure on it at all, then it also compensates. We 'tell' it what we need by what we do in our day to day life. For instance if your weight has prevented you from moving around too much, then the body compensates  for that by thinking you don't use those muscles very much and consequently they get smaller and weaker. This is how bone loss occurs, we lose bone mass if we don't use our bodies very much, which is why older women tend to get osteoporosis. Which is also why doctors tend not to cast broken bones much anymore. Because immobilizing the body causes more problems in the end than it fixes.

Your weight is creating the sway back problem, which you know. So your body is compensating for the extra stress and strain by trying to use some things (your back muscles) and then when they aren't up to the task- it uses other things (your joints and posture). The corset seems like an external solution to posture, but in the end it will actually undermine your posture by helping those back muscles not work to support you. Ladies in the old days used to end up having to have their corsets on in order to hold themselves up and move around because their bodies thought they didn't need those muscles anymore so they atrophied and got smaller and useless after not using them.

Think of it this way....a bandaid seems like a good solution for when you have a sore on your arm because it keeps the sore covered and stuff out of it like dirt. But...if you keep the bandaid on there, it actually hinders the healing process and the sore gets gross and weepy. A corset on your external abdomen seems effective because it enhances your posture, but having it on allows the muscles underneath to stop working even more which will make your sway back problem even worse. 

When you go to the back class and to PT please give it all you have and be committed to work on your problem. You're still young, these types of problems as you get older may result in some very serious issues. I'm being trained in this field now and talk to and see people all the time that can't walk anymore or do anything for themselves because of these types of problems that got steadily worse until the point that their body isn't able to be fixed anymore. Do you seriously want to not be able to get around and take care of yourself? I'm not trying to be mean here at all, I wish I could take you with me when I'm with these patients so you could see how demeaning it is to have to be helped to the bathroom, and not be able to get a drink or food on your own. Ever.

I know you were losing weight some time ago and I sincerely hope you're sticking with that. It is my entirely non-professional opinion from seeing your posts here over time that losing weight would be the number one thing you could do to make big progress in a lot of areas while also preventing future problems. I've been in the position of being very overweight, I know how difficult it is to change that. I wouldn't even bother to bring it up except that I can objectively see that your weight has the most impact on the issues that you've brought to the table here over time. Hon, our bodies weren't meant to take that kind of strain and they break down under it. Strike out here for yourself and a brighter future, it's going to take hard work. No one who goes to PT gets anything out of it unless they put some effort into it. I'm pulling for you 

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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 12:32:48 PM   
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I don't want short cuts so I dont have to do the work, cause the works gone be there no matter what. I just thought some posture help would be nice cause I don't seem to notice when I am slouching, or can't "sit up strait" by myself. Partly cause I don't have the strength to and I for what ever reason have this idea that good posture means throwing your shoulders back chest stuck out hips sorta tucked in. If that's good posture I can't maintain it. Yet.


You have it exactly right. The work is gonna be there no matter what. This kind of posture help by putting on the corset helps externally but it undermines your muscles internally. They have to get stronger so let them do that by using them. It is hard to remember things when you start out on something, it'll get easier. Pretty soon it'll be a habit, but not unless you work hard in the beginning to establish the good habits.

You'll be able to have better posture as your muscles get stronger so let them get stronger by using them and not putting on the corset. Please don't take my word for it, ask your doctor and physical therapist.

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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 12:53:18 PM   
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TFTB: there is NO shortcut, but if ya want a kind of physical CUE: try a posture collar with a tall corset (waist to above the tits thing)

*DISCLAIMER* I am not a medical person.. but these are things that have worked for me, for as long as I was willing to deal with them - usually the length of time I ws involved with someone..LOL)

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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 1:00:47 PM   
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I don't want short cuts so I dont have to do the work, cause the works gone be there no matter what. I just thought some posture help would be nice cause I don't seem to notice when I am slouching, or can't "sit up strait" by myself. Partly cause I don't have the strength to and I for what ever reason have this idea that good posture means throwing your shoulders back chest stuck out hips sorta tucked in. If that's good posture I can't maintain it. Yet.


The thing that you are not realizing is that once your core muscles become stronger, you will naturally gain better posture.

Before I made an effort to exercise and do the yoga, I did not have a goal of better posture, never even entered my mind. However, it is one of the many benefits. Keep doing the work........the benefits will come.


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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 1:11:17 PM   
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Of Course I wouldn't, that stuff may come later on with age, but It doesn't need to be for a very, very infinity long time. I stopped working on my weight right after saint patties day, a lot of stuff was going wrong mentally and physically , including the dr diagnosing me with a slipped disk and that was why I was in so much pain all the time and I gave up between mental and pysichal, but we're beginning to work on it again. I had a lot of sucess before and went from 330 to 309, and was so happy.



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Do you seriously want to not be able to get around and take care of yourself? I'm not trying to be mean here at all, I wish I could take you with me when I'm with these patients so you could see how demeaning it is to have to be helped to the bathroom, and not be able to get a drink or food on your own. Ever.

I know you were losing weight some time ago and I sincerely hope you're sticking with that. It is my entirely non-professional opinion from seeing your posts here over time that losing weight would be the number one thing you could do to make big progress in a lot of areas while also preventing future problems. I've been in the position of being very overweight, I know how difficult it is to change that. I wouldn't even bother to bring it up except that I can objectively see that your weight has the most impact on the issues that you've brought to the table here over time. Hon, our bodies weren't meant to take that kind of strain and they break down under it. Strike out here for yourself and a brighter future, it's going to take hard work. No one who goes to PT gets anything out of it unless they put some effort into it. I'm pulling for you 



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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 1:11:34 PM   
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I don't want short cuts so I dont have to do the work, cause the works gone be there no matter what. I just thought some posture help would be nice cause I don't seem to notice when I am slouching, or can't "sit up strait" by myself. Partly cause I don't have the strength to and I for what ever reason have this idea that good posture means throwing your shoulders back chest stuck out hips sorta tucked in. If that's good posture I can't maintain it. Yet.


You have it exactly right. The work is gonna be there no matter what. This kind of posture help by putting on the corset helps externally but it undermines your muscles internally. They have to get stronger so let them do that by using them. It is hard to remember things when you start out on something, it'll get easier. Pretty soon it'll be a habit, but not unless you work hard in the beginning to establish the good habits.

You'll be able to have better posture as your muscles get stronger so let them get stronger by using them and not putting on the corset. Please don't take my word for it, ask your doctor and physical therapist.



I think it would be fair to say that while the corset may externally make it seem like her posture is better, it is nothing but an appearance.

I don't see how a corset is going to actually help poor posture in anything but appearance at all. Sure it could make it easier to sit/stand as one should, but it is nothing more than an illusion.

I tend to have crappy posture. The excuse of "I can't remember" just doesn't wash. Go for short walks and think the entire time of standing straight.

It isn't all about shoulders back, chest out, hips tucked in. Right now, try to sit up straight. Don't throw your shoulders back, or thrust your chest out, just straighten your back. I'm sure it is uncomfortable and after a moment, a bit painful. That's because your spine and your muscles are not used to the position.

While I understand that remembering all the time to maintain good posture may be difficult, as I said earlier, you need to keep reminding yourself and have your partner and family remind you when you are slouching.

Anything else is not much more than an excuse.

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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 1:16:51 PM   
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If addressing posture issues is the most important step, might a backboard be more help than a corset? That'll encourage TFB to keep her back straight without actually propping it up the way a boned corset would.

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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 1:38:03 PM   
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Actually, maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are saying. A backboard is not going to have any more effect than a straight back chair unless she strapped it to her back, which would have the same "not using the muscles" issue as a corset.

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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 1:46:51 PM   
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Of Course I wouldn't, that stuff may come later on with age, but It doesn't need to be for a very, very infinity long time. I stopped working on my weight right after saint patties day, a lot of stuff was going wrong mentally and physically , including the dr diagnosing me with a slipped disk and that was why I was in so much pain all the time and I gave up between mental and pysichal, but we're beginning to work on it again. I had a lot of sucess before and went from 330 to 309, and was so happy.




TFB I just spent nearly an hour with two women that are morbidly obese. One the mother probably in her 60's and the other in her 40's. Both struggled to get in the door, I had to unlatch the second door for her walker. She is diabetic and due to the complications, can no longer walk. It was apparent that neither was in good health.

The reason for their visit........a laminated memorial book mark for their daughter/sister who passed away at age 48 due to health problems caused by her obesity.

Please do not give up.

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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 2:16:03 PM   
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TFB I just spent nearly an hour with two women that are morbidly obese. One the mother probably in her 60's and the other in her 40's. Both struggled to get in the door, I had to unlatch the second door for her walker. She is diabetic and due to the complications, can no longer walk. It was apparent that neither was in good health.

The reason for their visit........a laminated memorial book mark for their daughter/sister who passed away at age 48 due to health problems caused by her obesity.

Please do not give up.


I'd like to second this....please do not give up. I'm just starting out in the practice of physical therapy as I"m in school, but I already see things every day that are preventable - some are not of course. I can tell you that lack of activity and being overweight are at the heart of more problems than people think. The number one complication that arises from morbid obesity from a young age is early death. There's no getting around that, no pills to take, no way to fix it. Don't take my word for it, look it up. I did that for a friend, I did some research for her son who is young and has always been obese. It was numbing seeing early death or shortened lifespan (by 20+ years) come up over and over again. The amount of issues that spring from pushing the body beyond it's capabilities on a constant basis are many and they are serious.

I understand your issues early this year, keep working at things or quite honestly you are going to pay a price- you already are. You know how sometimes people try to scare you by telling you things that aren't very nice? I'm not trying to scare you, I'm being perfectly open and honest. If you lived closer to me I'd take you with me so you could see your future, it's not fun. It's always hard to know how much to tell someone because there's a point where they won't listen anymore. I decided to be more honest on this thread and I'm hoping it doesn't backfire. I care about your health and having you keep it. Work at this stuff even when it gets hard. It's good that you're looking for solutions, don't give up.

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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 5:46:01 PM   
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YAY FOR TENS UNITS!!


Oh HELL ya! Well except for the times I accidentally nudged the dial and almost fried my hip.

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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 6:12:28 PM   
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ok.. due to herditary osteo issues, I not only have scoliosis, but also lordosis (swayback).

while a corset wont help the scoliosis, it sure as fuck helps the lordosis for more than a minute!! if it wasnt for the back brace that REsident Sadist gave me, my back would be in WAY worse shape than otherwise..

a corset would work better, because the brace doesnt support in all the areas my back needs it, for the lordosis.

NOW.. that being said.. I am FIRM BELIEVER in chiropractic/osteopathic treatments, as well as acupuncture. make use of the treatments available.

YAY FOR TENS UNITS!!

YAY FOR NONSURGICAL TREATMENTS!!

hmmm... I have scoliosis too.. i spent years going to chiropractors and that did help a lot but i havent gone in a long time. My back isnt bothering me that much tho.. or maybe i have a higher pain threshold than i thought..

I did like feeling the buzz from the tens unit.. i would like to get one at some point..



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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 6:17:32 PM   
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My neighbor keeps telling me to get a giant exercise balance ball and sit on that instead of a chair at the pc, do you think that would help? It'd be to low to easily type with at first but maybe something could be worked out with.

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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 6:18:35 PM   
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those balls are pretty great because you're never totally stable and always engaging different muscles to keep yourself up. (plus they make awesome impromptu sex furniture. =p haha)

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RE: Would corsetting Along with pt and exercise help wi... - 11/14/2011 6:21:38 PM   
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I have one at work. They sell the "chairs" that the ball sits in so you can actually sit at your desk and type at a comfortable height and roll the chair around just like a normal chair. I don't use it exclusively. I keep a regular chair there as well. And everyone loves to borrow my ball chair and bounce. :)


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