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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 8:46:48 AM   
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I think it depends on the company too. When the man was still working at the oil refinery and an immediate family member was in the hospital, as soon as he told them, he was given the day off with pay......real pay not minimum wage. That's how he was used to being treated. Now this stupid temporary service gets rid of him because he told them in advance and they forgot. I had something similar happen to me once. My cousin was getting married and I told my manager a month in advance that I needed that day off. I didn't get fired over it, but I had an unexcused absence counted against me. Nothing like being forced to accept consequences for the mistake of someone else.



Had you made the request in writing and had his approval in writing there would have been no consequences against you.


A reminder closer to the time you needed off wouldn't have been a bad idea either. Assuming that s/he would remember that long ago isn't the best idea.


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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 8:49:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		DBG, you keep spouting off that this all was against the law but you haven't said anything yet that would be construed as against the law.  You have admitted you don't have a clue as to the particulars.

Perhaps instead spouting off that people getting fired is against the law, you find out the particulars and give people more information to decipher what actually happened.

Until then neither you, nor i, nor anyone here can decipher if it was against the law.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 8:59:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Something is odd here. What are the odds of knowing two people who were fired for family emergencies who both work for temp agencies in the same time period? Sort of makes me wonder if it was one person and that person was you DBG and the health excuse yours. IIRC you've been looking for work so you can buy Christmas gifts for your new husband and have the most special first Christmas ever.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 9:02:46 AM   
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I thought you were busy  trying to make this a memorable first christmas as a married couple, why are you interested in something that is not your business?
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Because I'm not a narcissist that only cares about myself. I don't like seeing  people getting screwed over.




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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 9:17:44 AM   
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It's possible the woman had other family related absences since she's our roommate's co-worker and I don't know her. But as I mentioned before, not missing work to be with her minor daughter would've been breaking the law.


No, she might have had other absences period -of any nature- that you don't know about.
As for the mother breaking the law to be with her daughter, where was the dad? (I know, likely a single parent household... ) but the bottom line is it isn't the company's problem.

The other issue could have been completely avoided, had he gotten permission in writing.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 9:20:34 AM   
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Because I'm not a narcissist that only cares about myself. I don't like seeing  people getting screwed over.


I offer this without snark - I see an undercurrent of victim mentality in many of your posts. I think it would be healthy for you to focus on ways you can feel empowered.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 9:22:24 AM   
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It was your responsibility to check the schedule to make sure you were marked off right before you left for your cousin's wedding. At my former work I always did that. I told my boss a month ahead of time or as soon as I was able to and then I'd check the schedule to make sure she marked me off. If not then I went to her to remind her to take me off and to make sure there were no other problems before I took off that I had to take care of before I left.


Congrats on always doing that. That still doesn't mean an employee should be penalized for their boss's memory loss. Not all companies have posted schedules. Then there are bosses that change the schedule all throughout the week and keep the schedule in their office 80% of the time instead of posting it. Then they wonder why they have so many no call no shows. I suppose that's the employee's fault too because the boss is ALWAYS right


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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 9:26:39 AM   
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It was your responsibility to check the schedule to make sure you were marked off right before you left for your cousin's wedding. At my former work I always did that. I told my boss a month ahead of time or as soon as I was able to and then I'd check the schedule to make sure she marked me off. If not then I went to her to remind her to take me off and to make sure there were no other problems before I took off that I had to take care of before I left.


Congrats on always doing that. That still doesn't mean an employee should be penalized for their boss's memory loss. Not all companies have posted schedules. Then there are bosses that change the schedule all throughout the week and keep the schedule in their office 80% of the time instead of posting it. Then they wonder why they have so many no call no shows. I suppose that's the employee's fault too because the boss is ALWAYS right



I have always submitted absence requests in writing.  Email's easy.

If there's any kind of communications issue at work, I'm held responsible.  It took me little time to realize that and act accordingly.


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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 9:28:13 AM   
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It was your responsibility to check the schedule to make sure you were marked off right before you left for your cousin's wedding. At my former work I always did that. I told my boss a month ahead of time or as soon as I was able to and then I'd check the schedule to make sure she marked me off. If not then I went to her to remind her to take me off and to make sure there were no other problems before I took off that I had to take care of before I left.


Congrats on always doing that. That still doesn't mean an employee should be penalized for their boss's memory loss. Not all companies have posted schedules. Then there are bosses that change the schedule all throughout the week and keep the schedule in their office 80% of the time instead of posting it. Then they wonder why they have so many no call no shows. I suppose that's the employee's fault too because the boss is ALWAYS right



It's still the employee's responsibility to make sure the manager has them as off for the day(s) they asked for. Something is still off because if this happens on a regular basis the higher ups would take note and the manager fired. So what are you leaving out DBG? I also find it interesting that you ignored my post. How is it that you know two people who were fired from a temp agency at the same time for similar reasons?


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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 9:28:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know, something just seems odd. It's like the threads where someone comes in with a situation wanting a round of people to blindly agree with them. I've never been the type to just accept what I'm told without thinking it over, so those threads usually put me off a bit because I don't like feeling used.

It seems highly unusual that these two people would be just let go for no other reason than the ones that were given. If it is as unfair as it is being reported here that would suck, but their choice is to pick up and move on. Shit happens. I don't tend to spend much time lamenting, I'd rather move on and find a solution.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 9:33:38 AM   
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I offer this without snark - I see a real victim mentality in many of your posts. I think it would be healthy for you to focus on ways you can feel empowered.


I'd have to agree with this. I'll gently suggest that you may want to really take a look what an outsider can see that you may not, and your postings tend to have a lot of victimization, frustration, and anger, running through them.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 9:35:59 AM   
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Something is odd here. What are the odds of knowing two people who were fired for family emergencies who both work for temp agencies in the same time period?


As I stated in an earlier post, the woman is our roommate's now ex co-worker. Therefore I do not know her personally. He does. Where did I state that BOTH people worked for temp agencies? I said the retired man worked for a temp agency. Actually, our roommate works at a convenience store. You have a very active imagination.




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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 9:40:03 AM   
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I think it depends on the company too. When the man was still working at the oil refinery and an immediate family member was in the hospital, as soon as he told them, he was given the day off with pay......real pay not minimum wage. That's how he was used to being treated. Now this stupid temporary service gets rid of him because he told them in advance and they forgot. I had something similar happen to me once. My cousin was getting married and I told my manager a month in advance that I needed that day off. I didn't get fired over it, but I had an unexcused absence counted against me. Nothing like being forced to accept consequences for the mistake of someone else.



First, if a company is going to give you paid time off, they have to pay you the wage you make, not minimum wage. Unless a portion of your regular pay is commission or you are dependent on tips.

As for your situation, did you REMIND you manager a short time before the wedding about the request? Or are you thinking that just because you "told" him, he is responsible for remembering the trivialities in your life?

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 9:40:16 AM   
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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 9:44:09 AM   
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It was your responsibility to check the schedule to make sure you were marked off right before you left for your cousin's wedding. At my former work I always did that. I told my boss a month ahead of time or as soon as I was able to and then I'd check the schedule to make sure she marked me off. If not then I went to her to remind her to take me off and to make sure there were no other problems before I took off that I had to take care of before I left.


Congrats on always doing that. That still doesn't mean an employee should be penalized for their boss's memory loss. Not all companies have posted schedules. Then there are bosses that change the schedule all throughout the week and keep the schedule in their office 80% of the time instead of posting it. Then they wonder why they have so many no call no shows. I suppose that's the employee's fault too because the boss is ALWAYS right



So you go to your boss's office and you say "Hey, remember I asked for such and such day off. Did you put me on the schedule? Can I see the schedule? I just want to make sure there's no other last details to be taken care of before I leave". Easy peasy. It's not your boss's responsibility. It's yours.


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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 9:46:33 AM   
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It was your responsibility to check the schedule to make sure you were marked off right before you left for your cousin's wedding. At my former work I always did that. I told my boss a month ahead of time or as soon as I was able to and then I'd check the schedule to make sure she marked me off. If not then I went to her to remind her to take me off and to make sure there were no other problems before I took off that I had to take care of before I left.


Congrats on always doing that. That still doesn't mean an employee should be penalized for their boss's memory loss. Not all companies have posted schedules. Then there are bosses that change the schedule all throughout the week and keep the schedule in their office 80% of the time instead of posting it. Then they wonder why they have so many no call no shows. I suppose that's the employee's fault too because the boss is ALWAYS right



Look, you have stated enough times you worked in retail for so many years. Yea, the schedule is posted and if it isn't, then it IS on YOU to ask to see it. Many people in retail have fixed hours, others have schedules that change. My mother had a fixed schedule so she didn't go looking at the schedule to see if they changed it unless there was a holiday or something.

When I worked waiting tables I also had a fixed schedule. There was one time my manager changed it, and I caught it. I reminded him that I didn't look because we agreed on a fixed schedule when I started.

You really do cry the blues a little too much. It seems you really don't have a great deal of understanding for how the world works or about personal responsibility.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 9:50:08 AM   
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Something is odd here. What are the odds of knowing two people who were fired for family emergencies who both work for temp agencies in the same time period?


As I stated in an earlier post, the woman is our roommate's now ex co-worker. Therefore I do not know her personally. He does. Where did I state that BOTH people worked for temp agencies? I said the retired man worked for a temp agency. Actually, our roommate works at a convenience store. You have a very active imagination.





The fact of the matter is that you are VERY quick to blame the employer when you know next to nothing about the facts in BOTH cases. The employer won't discuss HR issues that don't concern your roommate (i.e., his friend) with your roommate. It would violate confidentiality and ethics and would open them up to a lawsuit. So at best you have their ex-coworker's "version" of the story which seems to leave a LOT out.

As to the retired man, again, you only have his side of the story. He may have been an exemplary employee for the oil company, or he may have been a lousy one that had a union covering his ass at every step of the way. Or in his older age he has gotten "entitled" and no longer feels that he has to work as hard as he once did. There are any number of things that can enter into this equation. Hell, he can have as poor an attitude in the workplace as you do here, and even if his work is decent, his attitude alone could have tipped the scales against him.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 9:50:54 AM   
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Actually didn't state where the girl works so maybe you could have clarified instead of resorting to snark.


And you could have asked instead of assuming.


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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 9:51:09 AM   
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Something is odd here. What are the odds of knowing two people who were fired for family emergencies who both work for temp agencies in the same time period?


As I stated in an earlier post, the woman is our roommate's now ex co-worker. Therefore I do not know her personally. He does. Where did I state that BOTH people worked for temp agencies? I said the retired man worked for a temp agency. Actually, our roommate works at a convenience store. You have a very active imagination.



So what you have posted isn't even what the woman told you, but what someone else told you the woman told him? And you take that to be the gospel truth?

Working at a convenience store is considered retail. I have no doubt in my mind this woman had more than enough time to try to deal with the time off before this "emergency." Teen pregnancy is typically considered high risk anyway and she should have had some discussions with her manager about it.

It really seems as if you post to whine about the world and all the injustices you and people you remotely know suffer from it.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 9:54:18 AM   
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Actually didn't state where the girl works so maybe you could have clarified instead of resorting to snark.


And you could have asked instead of assuming.

I was talking about your response to mine and the "having a vivid imagination" snark. A simple clarification without the snark would have done just fine.


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