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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 1:22:42 PM

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I'm an admin. When I need time off, I email my supervisors and my teammates to make sure that my plans won't conflict with anything pressing coming up. Once I get the approval email in return, I place it on my supervisor's calendar. The week before I leave, I send my supervisors an email reminding them I will be out the following week and when I plan to return and ask for their help in me making sure that my absence doesn't negatively reflect on any of their deadlines. I work with my fellow admins to make sure my workload is covered and that, in an emergency, they can do some of my tasks while I'm gone (for example, if a business trip suddenly comes up, one of my co-workers has keys to my desk where I keep my supervisor's credit card and travel information so that she can manage his travel while I'm gone).

It is called being a productive, pro-active employee and it is called covering your ass.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 1:28:25 PM

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In the case of our roommate's ex co-worker, if she missed her shift without calling in, she would be 100% at fault. There are very few valid excuses for a no call no show. The employee being unable to call in because they're in a coma comes to mind.

Agreed. On a no-call/no-show, to me as an employer, that's immediate termination, unless there is one HELL of a good reason. "Oh, got into a car accident on the way to work and woke up in the hospital 3 hours later."... Yeah, that works, in fact I'll probably even come by and see you, make sure you'll be alright. But "Oh, my alarm didn't go off and I didn't wake up until about 2 hours into the shift, so I figured I would just stay home today and not bother calling." Well, guess what. I figured I would just take you off the schedule permanently, you can come in today or tomorrow to pick up your check. Now, if that person has one amazing track record, and this is something outlandishly out of the ordinary, be damned sure they'll get at least a solid discussion about it and be on my shit list for a while.

My industry is extremely time sensitive and needs near 100% reliability and accuracy. Someone being 10 minutes late can put the whole thing off by a half hour or more easily. When catering events, and cooking, 30 minutes is an eternity which can somehow disappear in no time at all. I don't have time for that, and my clients don't give a shit if Joe was late to work. That's my problem, not theirs, and I'd better NOT make it their problem.

In the case of the OP though, it depends on if your state is a "right to work" state or not, and what company and state policies are in place to protect against such things as you described.

Now, if someone tells me in advance they need a day off, well... I'll do my best to make sure the shift gets covered, as long as they also work to find someone to cover their shift. If we can't find anyone to cover it, and it's far enough notice, and a good reason (I want to go to a hockey game is NOT a good reason), then I'll cover it myself or just TELL someone they're doing it instead of asking. Also, when requesting time off, please submit it in writing so I don't forget. I've got a billion things on my mind at any given time... payroll, menus, advertising, accounting, ordering, inventory, product availability, etc... Chances of me remembering that unless it's on a sheet of paper posted to the wall by my computer are slim to nil. If you know in advance, I don't think I'm asking too much of someone to spend 2 minutes at some point to write it down and hand it to me.

Daughter emergency like that though... hm... If they're not making a habit of having "emergencies", I'd most likely not be terribly pleased about it, but would deal with it. I mean, that's their daughter. Immediate family gets priority. Immediate, to me being, Grandparents, Parents, Siblings, Spouse/Partner, Children, Grandchildren. Part of the reason behind that is morale. A workplace with high morale is an exponentially more productive workplace. And if your daughter is in the hospital suddenly with an emergency, your mind isn't going to be on the job anyway. And with the kind of detail I have to deal with, I need my employees thinking about their job, not distracted by something like that. At that point, they're useless to me anyway, and most likely just in the way. So yeah, go take care of your damn family, and wish them the best from me while you're at it.

Essentially, it's a place of employment, not a daycare. I'm not daddy, I'm not mommy. I am understanding of circumstances beyond your control, but I'm not here to coddle anyone. I do my due diligence, and ask that my employees do the same. They're grown-ups, or at least should be. I'd much prefer NOT to have emergencies like that pop up. I'm sure my employees would rather the same. But sometimes shit happens. I deal with it and move on.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 2:37:06 PM

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I don't. But that still doesn't mean she couldn't have found a pay phone or asked the hospital front desk to use the phone. A lot of the time if it's local and you're really quick they do not mind letting you do so.

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Shit, who doesn't have a basic cell phone these days?

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 2:46:11 PM

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You're right, TFB. When I didn't have a cell phone, and was in the ER, there was no problem with me borrowing the phone for a quick call to let someone know I was in the ER or to check on my ride. Making a quick call to your employer to tell them what is going on takes less than two minutes.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 2:48:25 PM

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I don't. But that still doesn't mean she couldn't have found a pay phone or asked the hospital front desk to use the phone. A lot of the time if it's local and you're really quick they do not mind letting you do so.

Or asked someone to use their cell. Most people are very kind, and if you are in obvious distress would let you make a call. Once when I locked my keys and phone in the car at a gas station I asked a guy who looked just like Dog the Bounty Hunter to use his phone and he was very sweet. I was a bit afraid of his skull jewelry and belt buckle but asked anyway and he was such a gentleman I was glad I did.

This thread is a trip. So many what if's and possible situations, not much real substance. Anytime someone keeps looking for the exceptions to the rule, or for a way out of something, it feels like BS to me. I've said it many times on here and in life, but excuses are for losers, if you find yourself tempted to make one examine why, and go forward from that point to find an action you can take instead of making the excuse.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 2:49:31 PM

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You're right, TFB. When I didn't have a cell phone, and was in the ER, there was no problem with me borrowing the phone for a quick call to let someone know I was in the ER or to check on my ride. Making a quick call to your employer to tell them what is going on takes less than two minutes.

Lots of places here in the mountains with no cell service as well.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 2:50:26 PM

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Yup. Exactly.

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You're right, TFB. When I didn't have a cell phone, and was in the ER, there was no problem with me borrowing the phone for a quick call to let someone know I was in the ER or to check on my ride. Making a quick call to your employer to tell them what is going on takes less than two minutes.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 2:53:29 PM

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I'm not going to re-address all that stuff, because I have addressed it before.

However, I am going to tell you that I never said that chemo brain didn't exist, but that the odds of it were rare.

Look, you failed at properly looking over your own health, and you will never be able to admit that even to yourself.

If this were a case of me being the lonely voice of reason while everyone was like, "stop picking on poor DBG" you might have a point.

Without even looking, I can think of at least 6-8 other people on this post who are saying much the same as me: Your attitude sucks and you look to blame someone else for everything. How many people need to tell you that before you do some self examination and figure things out.

Honestly, if you have some sort of mental disability that makes it difficult for you to understand, my apologies. I will type slower in the future and take your inability to understand into consideration when you post. But I don't think you do, I think you are just one of those people who can only be happy when looking at the negatives and will never face up to the fact that you don't see you or any other "joe average" needing to take personal responsibility.

Good luck in your future. You're going to need it.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 3:43:16 PM

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The post you quoted and responded to (post #72) was in reference to a job I had years ago. My cousin's wedding took place when I was at my most recent job with a fixed schedule. Yes, in that case I could have reminded the boss. But why do bosses need to be reminded? I thought the whole point of letting them know in advance is give them time to schedule around the absence. I guess the ability to write things down and stay organized isn't in their job description.

No matter where you work if you expect to take off work it is the EMPLOYEE'S responsibility to ensure that they have been granted that day off through the proper channels. If you have written proof or authorization that you were granted said day and then it was mishandled by management THEN it is management's fault. At this point you have proof that you were in fact granted the time off. If one just asks and then assumes and never bothers to double check that is not management's fault - that is employee stupidity. Always get it in writing or verify that it is not written in the schedule.

If one fails to ensure they had proof of their employer's agreement to provide said date and time off and chooses not to completely ensure they there are not expected to work at that specific time then they failed to take their own responsibility for their actions. Just like I told my employees when I worked in management and had to funnel leave requests, if you ask for a day off and you don't have a copy of the approval form saying its been approved (or denied for that matter) then you haven't gotten the day off. If they haven't gotten one then they need to follow through and make sure it happens. We do our best to make sure everything happens as it should - but their time is their responsibility, not mine.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 3:54:53 PM

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However, I am going to tell you that I never said that chemo brain didn't exist, but that the odds of it were rare.

Not according to many cancer survivors who have been through it. Also, the majority of women treated with pelvic radiation suffer permanent sexual dysfunction.

Look, you failed at properly looking over your own health, and you will never be able to admit that even to yourself.

I have no problem admitting I should've gone to the oncologist for my first surgery or admitting I was afraid to. I don't think the outcome would've been any different though since the oncologist said she would've done exactly what the gynecologist did considering the information they had at the time. So I probably still would've ended up having 2 surgeries because of the pathology reports. If the pathology reports weren't conflicting and my gynecologist and I just didn't understand them as you say, why did the oncologist find it necessary to send my specimen off to mayo clinic?

Your attitude sucks and you look to blame someone else for everything.

No, you think my attitude sucks because I only blame myself for some things instead of blaming myself for EVERYTHING.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 6:35:41 PM

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Not according to many cancer survivors who have been through it. Also, the majority of women treated with pelvic radiation suffer permanent sexual dysfunction.

BULLSHIT! I'll bet you got that from one of your naturopathy sites didn't you?

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 7:05:25 PM

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How did this thread become about DBG's cancer again?

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 7:09:39 PM

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What naturopathy sites? Sounds like you have me confused with someone else. I got my information from reading cancer survivor support forums.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 7:11:05 PM

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then how can you claim that this happens to such a large number of women?

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 7:11:23 PM

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How did this thread become about DBG's cancer again?

Somebody else brought it up.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 7:12:04 PM

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I'm an admin. When I need time off, I email my supervisors and my teammates to make sure that my plans won't conflict with anything pressing coming up. Once I get the approval email in return, I place it on my supervisor's calendar. The week before I leave, I send my supervisors an email reminding them I will be out the following week and when I plan to return and ask for their help in me making sure that my absence doesn't negatively reflect on any of their deadlines. I work with my fellow admins to make sure my workload is covered and that, in an emergency, they can do some of my tasks while I'm gone (for example, if a business trip suddenly comes up, one of my co-workers has keys to my desk where I keep my supervisor's credit card and travel information so that she can manage his travel while I'm gone).

It is called being a productive, pro-active employee and it is called covering your ass.

I, too, remind my coworkers I'm on vacation - the week before and the day before.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 7:13:35 PM

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I, too, remind my coworkers I'm on vacation - the week before and the day before.

I send an email to all my doctors, the other secretaries and my manager the day before I leave.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 7:24:39 PM

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It just makes no sense that employees are blamed for a boss's forgetfulness.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 8:07:11 PM

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It just makes no sense that employees are blamed for a boss's forgetfulness.

Listen very carefully and see if this actually soaks into your brain:

This is NOT about a boss's forgetfulness. It is about employees who did not properly follow up.

Of course, since you started out with nothing more than second and third hand information, it doesn't really make any difference.

You drive, go to the temp agency and ask for the old man's job. He was just moving cars around. Surely, you are competent enough to do that.

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RE: fired for family issues - 11/19/2011 8:11:33 PM

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It just makes no sense that employees are blamed for a boss's forgetfulness.

Right. Well, shit happens. The world is an imperfect place inhabited by imperfect beings...trying to apply absolute rules and unbreakable laws to it will never work. Round ball, square hole, two immovable objects that cannot change.

You can see the nature of things as it truly exists and adapt to it, or keep holding onto your idea of how it's supposed to be, and continually be disappointed, not to mention screwed over, as the people who can adapt leave you in the dust. It almost seems like stupidity to refuse to see a thing for what it is, and keep insisting that it conform to what your view of it is. People over the ages have tried to right wrongs and make the world the best place it can be, it's never going to be utopia. Honestly, you seem like the type of person who likes having things to be upset about, if that's so then carry on but don't expect everyone else to share your enthusiasm for railing against injustice. It's fairly useless, we'll keep interfering with that logical stuff because we've figured out that's much easier and gratifying than tilting at windmills.

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