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hlen5 -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 7:26:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
.............velleity


Thanks for the new word!!




DaddySatyr -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 7:46:59 AM)

Remember when President Obama said:

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Candidate Obama

We Will further raise the minimum wage to $9.50 an hour by 2011 , index it to inflation and increase the Earned Income Tax Credit to make sure that full-time workers can earn a living wage that allows them to raise their families and pay for basic needs such as food, transportation, and housing.


Ummmmm ... Mr. President? Federal Miinimum Wage stands at $7.25 and it's DEC 26th, 2011 (Happy Boxing Day, BTW)



Peace and comfort,



Michael







tazzygirl -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 8:13:20 AM)

H.R.283
Latest Title: Living American Wage (LAW) Act of 2011
Sponsor: Rep Green, Al [TX-9] (introduced 1/12/2011) Cosponsors (11)
Latest Major Action: 2/25/2011 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Workforce Protections.

Its still in committee.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.283:

Text.


Official Summary

1/12/2011--Introduced.Living American Wage (LAW) Act of 2011 - Expresses the sense of Congress that:
(1) the federal minimum wage should, as a minimum, be adjusted every four years so that a person working for it may earn an annual income at least 15% higher than the federal poverty threshold for a family of two;
(2) it should be set at a level high enough to allow two full-time minimum wage workers to earn an income above the national housing wage; and
(3) Congress, any of the several states, the District of Columbia, any U.S. territories or possessions, any Indian tribe, or local or state government may establish a higher minimum wage requirement than that established in this Act. Amends the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 to increase the federal minimum wage to at least the amount determined by the Secretary of Labor according to the formula prescribed by this Act beginning September 1, 2011. Requires the Secretary to determine such minimum wage rate by June 1, 2011, and once every four years thereafter. Prohibits any adjustment if the determination results in a minimum wage lower than the current one. Requires the minimum wage so determined to be the minimum hourly wage sufficient for a person working for it 40 hours per week, 52 weeks per year, to earn an annual income 15% percent higher than the federal poverty threshold for a two-person household, with one child under age 18, and living in the 48 contiguous states, as published for each such year by the Census Bureau.


http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h283/show

Requires the minimum wage so determined to be the minimum hourly wage sufficient for a person working for it 40 hours per week, 52 weeks per year, to earn an annual income 15% percent higher than the federal poverty threshold for a two-person household, with one child under age 18, and living in the 48 contiguous states, as published for each such year by the Census Bureau.


Poverty level income for three people

$18,530 + 2779 (15%) = 21309 divided by 52, then by 40 = 10.24 an hour.

The bill is there. Waiting... along with all the other bills Congress has yet to address.




bigd111 -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 8:24:37 AM)

obama who?




tazzygirl -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 8:29:37 AM)

who are you?




TheHeretic -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 8:42:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
...and here I thought they were still trying to get most repubs and former repub pres. and current candidates...feet of their mouths. Lord knows, they have a virtual monopoly and political pandemic on hoof-in-mouth disease.



The tin-foil seems to be affecting your memory, Rodg. Ever heard of a fellow named Joe Biden? Or how about good old Hank Johnson?




mnottertail -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 8:44:17 AM)

hence the qualification; virtual.




TheHeretic -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 8:52:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Grianghraf

Oh that Barry Soetero! What is his real name by the way? What's up with his social security number? Who the hell is this guy? And he says he's the fourth best president. People, hope and change? Are you serious? What the hell were you drinking in 2008. It will be a GLORIOUS DAY to boot his skinny ass (and his fat assed mistress michelle) out of the white house in november.



Oh look. Somebody got a new sock puppet made out of an old douchebag for Christmas.

His real name is Barack Obama. He's the President of the United States, and if you want to change his status, I would suggest either seriously elevating your game, or just shutting the fuck up.




tazzygirl -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 8:53:48 AM)

[:D]

Just one of those times we happen to totally agree, Rich




TheHeretic -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 8:57:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

hence the qualification; virtual.



Bullshit, Ron. They run neck and neck.

Hey! Anybody remember when Obama's administration said the stimulus would keep the unemployment rate from rising above 8%?




tazzygirl -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 9:17:36 AM)

I believe the number given was 8.5 and no promises were made.




Owner59 -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 9:17:52 AM)

He didn`t count on republicans stoving in the economy, like with their downgraded credit rating fiasco,etc.

Remember when President Obama pledged to reach across the aisle and work with republicans?

Oh that`s right...........he did that.[:D]





TheHeretic -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 9:25:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I believe the number given was 8.5 and no promises were made.



I wasn't aware Popeye had made it being an official sort of a promise a pre-condition, Tazzy. There wasn't any sort of promise in my earlier quote from him about Presidential authority to launch a military action without Congressional approval, either. He was simply stating the "facts," as he saw them.





tazzygirl -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 9:27:03 AM)

Cantor and other Republicans say Obama promised stimulus would keep unemployment rates below 8 percent

Hey, just taking them as they come.




barelynangel -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 9:28:16 AM)

January 28, 2008 -- SC   

“...This election is about the past vs. the future. It's about whether we settle for the same divisions and distractions and drama that passes for politics today or whether we reach for a politics of common sense and innovation, a politics of shared sacrifice and shared prosperity. There are those who will continue to tell us that we can't do this, that we can't have what we're looking for, that we can't have what we want, that we're peddling false hopes. But here is what I know. I know that when people say we can't overcome all the big money and influence in Washington, I think of that elderly woman who sent me a contribution the other day, an envelope that had a money order for $3.01 along with a verse of scripture tucked inside the envelope. So don't tell us change isn't possible. That woman knows change is possible. When I hear the cynical talk that blacks and whites and Latinos can't join together and work together, I'm reminded of the Latino brothers and sisters I organized with and stood with and fought with side by side for jobs and justice on the streets of Chicago. So don't tell us change can't happen. When I hear that we'll never overcome the racial divide in our politics, I think about that Republican woman who used to work for Strom Thurmond, who is now devoted to educating inner city-children and who went out into the streets of South Carolina and knocked on doors for this campaign. Don't tell me we can't change. Yes, we can. Yes, we can change. Yes, we can.

Yes, we can heal this nation. Yes, we can seize our future. And as we leave this great state with a new wind at our backs and we take this journey across this great country, a country we love, with the message we carry from the plains of Iowa to the hills of New Hampshire, from the Nevada desert to the South Carolina coast, the same message we had when we were up and when we were down, that out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we will hope.

And where we are met with cynicism and doubt and fear and those who tell us that we can't, we will respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of the American people in three simple words -- yes, we can.”
― Barack Obama (emphasis mine)

The man has failed to keep the BIGGEST promise he made, that of leading our country.   He is one of the main players in the drama and division in our politics, our country is not being healed -- it's wounds keep getting ripped open.

Yes, did he have a bitch of a country status to come into -- yep.  However, he is the one who indicated to the American people he can lead this country.   He isn't.

When you have a congress that is sooo divided pretty much in everything and the bickering and drama that ignites between the two parties and a President who is INCAPABLE of being a leader but seems to me to be playing right in the mud with them all, that to me is one of the worst folly's a President can do.  

He likes blaming the Republicans for the state of a lot of problems in Congress -- but where is HIS responsibility as a President, as a Leader, whereing HIS PARTY AFFILIATION needs to seriously be melded in with the other party becuase our county is pretty much based on a TWO PARTY congress.  It is HIS responsibility to pull these two parts together and instead it appears that through his whole Presidency thus far, he hasn't.  Instead of rising above the two parties AS THE LEADER, he is just as bad as the rest of them.

Yes, i get he is a Dem, and he has a loyalty to his party, but i am sorry when he put on that Presidential hat, his loyalty to the dems comes in second to his leading at times yes as an unbiased party.    

To me, that is the biggest and most important promise he has failed to keep and without his leadership, the rest is simply nonexistant.  

People want to give him the props for finding Bin Laden -- that's all fine and dandy, if that is the case, then you also have to give him the "props" for the state our government is in and the lack of any unity and the drama and such all he claimed we shouldn't settle for in our American politics.   He is right in the fray of settling for it....

I am not Dem or Rep, i tend to go with the person i think is best for the job -- i do however lean more towards Rep based on my voting history.  But when a President is in office, to me, he is no longer D or R, he is the Leader of the U.S.   I could care less what his party affliation is.  When Obama was elected though i don't like the guy due to i think he is a lot more talk than he is action and he manipulated the People of the U.S. based on their desperation for change, i was happy for people becuase i said, if he is capable of achieving and leading this country as he SAYS he can, then good things will happen.  To me, that bolded part above said a lot to me and to many people, and i gave him the benefit of the doubt.   But based upon the bolded language -- in that, he was and still is all talk.

Obama has shown that while he talks a good story, is personable, and yes, i do believe he cares about the Country and it's problems -- he hasn't shown he is capable of LEADING the country and he sure the hell isn't capable of CONTROLLING an out of control government.

Yes, you can blame the children for their behavior - and i do believe a lot of seats in our government will be in for a surprise next election of same -- however, if a leader is incapable of leading them -- to me, that person is incapable of leading them and our country as a whole.

angel




tazzygirl -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 9:35:01 AM)

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There wasn't any sort of promise in my earlier quote from him about Presidential authority to launch a military action without Congressional approval, either.


And you notice I didnt offer up a rebuttal. I think he was wrong. Politifact agreed... to a point.

This is the best answer I have seen on this issue...

"This is not an easy case, and news reports suggest that this was fought over internally in the administration," said Kal Raustiala, a University of California at Los Angeles law professor. Personally, he said, he thinks it's "a bit of a stretch to say that Libya doesn't count for the War Powers Resolution. But it is not crazy. The bottom line is the resolution is a struggle between Congress and the president, and there is no 'right' answer to what hostilities mean — until Congress defines it better."




Owner59 -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 9:37:07 AM)

The republican controlled HofRs are exactly children.....as witnessed just last week.

And it only takes one republican in the Senate......... to put the kibosh on anything.

So tell us......?

What could president Obama have done that he didn`t do,to try and get along with the republicans?

Several examples, please.




tazzygirl -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 9:44:45 AM)

Lets be realistic. The first year he concentrated on the stimulus and the health care law... two of his biggest political promises.

The health care law passed... regardless of how people feel aboutit, it did pass.

The economy is still bad... but not as bad as it could have been. Economists tend to agree that what the stimulus did was offer a patch in the huge hole that our economy had become. It wasnt enough to lift us out, it was just enough to shore up the foundation. Its my opinion that that was the responsibility of our government... and no more.. to get us out of a economic nose dive and stop the free fall. The rest was up to the people... to businesses... and we arent holding up our end.

Midterm elections were not about the government, not about the economy, it was about thwarting Obamacare. That is a promise that the GOP has yet to meet... the promise they gave to the US.. the promise no one wants to discuss.

I sit back and watch the bashing... some I agree with... some I think are silly.. and some that are out right lies. And I still see the cogs grinding to get rid of Obama. Cant hold him all to blame... we put the idiots who are in Congress in there to begin with. So, those are also our children. We fucked up too.




barelynangel -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 9:46:00 AM)

Owner, have you remotely SEEN the state of our government. 

OBAMA IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE LEADER -- he is INCAPABLE of leading a bunch of UNRULY both DEMS AND REPS.  Our government is OUT OF CONTROL and he is supposed to be the leader.

I don't give a fuck if ONE guy can put a kobash on things, if you are going to give him credit for everything and promise he has made, you NEED to hold him RESPONSIBLE for the uncontrolled state our government is in.

I don't need to give you SPECIFIC examples, i and others SEE the state our government is in.  That to me shows a LACK OF LEADERSHIP.   He wanted the fucking job as LEADER, then he needs to take responsibility when its out of controll.

He isn't a player Owner, HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A LEADER.  Whining because republicans aren't being nice to him is just stupid.  HE WANTED TO BE THE LEADER, now he isn't leading.

That's ALL on him, he gets control over that black box, he gets props for Bin Laden, he gets probs for this and that --- then you know what, he gets the "props" that our government is out of control.

Yeah yeah, i get it WHINE and place the blame on congress -- not JUST the republicans but CONGRESS AS A WHOLE.  You show exactly WHY there is so much bullshit -- you are blaming one side or the other.  I am blaming the MAN in charge.   Yes, Congress has it's job but when they aren't DOING THEIR JOB AS A WHOLE, i don't give a fuck if its a rep fucking up the counts or the dems, that means they need leadership.

What you are whining about IS EXACTLY what i am talking about -- you want to blame a party you don't like, instead of a LEADER.  Obama isn't there to GET ALONG with Republicans, HE IS THERE TO LEAD THEM AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.  BIG difference.

Perhaps if you start realizing what his role is as President, you will see where he is lacking in LEADING the government.

If you read the quote Owner, you will see HE is the one who said it -- not me.  He isn't following through and isn't leading.

angel

When did we stop seeing the President as  a LEADER and instead simply a friend to get along with the opposite party?




Owner59 -> RE: Remember when Obama said....... (12/26/2011 10:05:38 AM)

Just to add some context.

bush left an economy that was losing 100,000 jobs a month and getting worse by the month.

The economy had just lost about 17 trillion,give or take,in capital, investments,pension funds and savings and commercial capital.

Gone....poof!.....Credit froze solid.Like cement.

The stimulus package should have been double or more.

You can`t blow a 17,000,000,000,000 dollar hole in the economy and expect 770 billion dollars to fill it back up.

The president was however able to keep us from sliding into depression level numbers.

You can only imagine what would have happened if 2/3s of Detroit was allowed to go under,adding hundreds of thousands more unemployed Americans to the millions of other American jobs the GOP had just finished killing as was promised by McGramps?

I`m still waiting to hear the secret plan the GOP would have executed that would have revived the economy sooner........and waiting and waiting.



I hope newt-Romney doesn`t pull that "I gotta secret plan to revive the economy,....... that I`ll reveal AFTER you elect me" bull-shit....like McCain did.

Fixed: to remove shrub,as my friend asked.




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